nid2007 Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 Does anyone have experience with changing the tuners on a Songwriter? I'd love to change out these big gold grovers. It is my favorite all-around guitar, but I hate the look of these big heavy machines. I don't want to adversely impact sound and tone though. That is my #1 consideration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asmith9509 Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 Does anyone have experience with changing the tuners on a Songwriter? I'd love to change out these big gold grovers. It is my favorite all-around guitar' date=' but I hate the look of these big heavy machines. I don't want to adversely impact sound and tone though. That is my #1 consideration. [/quote'] I have replaced the Grovers on my J-45 with Ivoroid button Waverlies. They are very expensive but worth every penny if your guitar is a keeper. They are easy to install in the Grover holes; just make sure you get the conversion bushings like the ones that Stewart McDonald sells. They are much, much lighter than the Grovers- which improved both the feel and the tone of the guitar. I've also heard good things about the Gotoh open tuners, but I haven't tried them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jayla Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 I personally don't like those Grovers either. To my eye they look too big and clunky. Like asmith I replaced the stock tuners (Klusons, I think, with the greenish "tulip" or "keystone" buttons) on my J-100 with Waverlys. Here's a shot of the headstock with the new machines: They are expensive, but worth it to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nid2007 Posted April 13, 2009 Author Share Posted April 13, 2009 What about those Gibson Deluxe tuners sold at the GC, with the plastic keystone? Are they bad? I like the look of them, and they seem to work fine on my Gospel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brums Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 I have replaced the Grovers on my J-45 with Ivoroid button Waverlies. They are very expensive but worth every penny if your guitar is a keeper. They are easy to install in the Grover holes; just make sure you get the conversion bushings like the ones that Stewart McDonald sells. They are much' date=' much lighter than the Grovers- which improved both the feel and the tone of the guitar. I've also heard good things about the Gotoh open tuners, but I haven't tried them.[/quote'] What's the difference in tone using Ivoroid button Waverlies ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeff5341 Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 Neil I know what you mean, I hated the gold Grovers so I put a set of the Grover Deluxe tuners with keystone buttons on my 04 SWD. They are easy to put on, look great, and have no effect on sound. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosewoody Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 What about those Gibson Deluxe tuners sold at the GC' date=' with the plastic keystone? Are they bad? I like the look of them, and they seem to work fine on my Gospel.[/quote'] The Deluxe are excellent, look great, are cost effective ($40), and easy to install. You need to drill a second hole above each tuner for mounting, then put the Rotos on eBay and you'll probably break even. I know that tere are differing views on this, but I just can't see tuners making much difference in tone or volume. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djeffcoat Posted April 14, 2009 Share Posted April 14, 2009 As a quicker and cheaper alternative, I replaced the gold Grover buttons on my SWDC with ebony buttons. It took substantial amount of weight off the headstock and the I really like the look. DJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayla Posted April 14, 2009 Share Posted April 14, 2009 As a quicker and cheaper alternative' date=' I replaced the gold Grover buttons on my SWDC with ebony buttons. It took substantial amount of weight off the headstock and the I really like the look.[/quote'] Gotta pic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nid2007 Posted April 14, 2009 Author Share Posted April 14, 2009 Gotta pic? I would love to see that too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayla Posted April 14, 2009 Share Posted April 14, 2009 StewMac's got some replacement tuner buttons, but none for Grovers, AFAIK. Here's their page. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djeffcoat Posted April 14, 2009 Share Posted April 14, 2009 I don't recall where I bought these. They are shaped like Schallers but fit the Grover tuners. I'll try to find a link for them. DJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayla Posted April 14, 2009 Share Posted April 14, 2009 I think those look a lot nicer than the gold ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nid2007 Posted April 14, 2009 Author Share Posted April 14, 2009 I don't recall where I bought these. They are shaped like Schallers but fit the Grover tuners. I'll try to find a link for them. DJ Nice. I've found a place that sells them. Do you happen to know whether the mini's fit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djeffcoat Posted April 14, 2009 Share Posted April 14, 2009 Nice. I've found a place that sells them. Do you happen to know whether the mini's fit? I believe the shafts would be too big for minis, not totally sure though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drathbun Posted April 14, 2009 Share Posted April 14, 2009 I love ebony knobs (I have them on my Larrivee L05) but the Schaller shape just looks wrong to me on a Gibson headstock. I don't know why. Keystones or Grovers even Imperials for my taste. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayla Posted April 14, 2009 Share Posted April 14, 2009 I love ebony knobs (I have them on my Larrivee L05) but the Schaller shape just looks wrong to me on a Gibson headstock. I don't know why. Keystones or Grovers even Imperials for my taste. I'd love to have a guitar that could live up to a set of those Imperials. Like this one: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watchdogg Posted April 15, 2009 Share Posted April 15, 2009 What about those Gibson Deluxe tuners sold at the GC' date=' with the plastic keystone? Are they bad? I like the look of them, and they seem to work fine on my Gospel.[/quote'] I have heard bad things about the Gibson Deluxe tuners, but I have had them on two guitars and was very happy with them. I love the look of them on my HBA, and it keeps a tune as good or better than any other accoustic I have played. Not changing mine anytime soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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