wedgeSG Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 Since Stewart-McDonald has entered the discussion I'll add this tidbit... They offer a tuner peg drill jig. This l'il pricey piece of plunder tightens into an existing tuner hole using a cone shaped device on a bolt to: center, and affix a metal jig aligned to give options for the locational lock screw along with a table of what manufacturers types go where. I got one of these little gems to repair a headstock on an Epi whose owner must have been a member of a tuner of the month club. Thing had had so many types in it, it looked like it was fired on with birdshot. Forget the press or a reamer; somebody had did this puppy with a power drill and a broken bit. Original holes had to be plugged with dowels and then re- drilled square, (on a drill-press, reamin' won't do it here folks). After the correct pattern and spacing was back the jig was employed to drill holes to locate new Spurzels where Grovers were in the beginning. This was especially handy since we filled the entire back of the headstock and just started from scratch. I do agree that a reamer will work well: but so many times damage from drilling comes from a lack of experience and technique. If you back up the hole with flat solid hardwood, use a slower speed with steady but not heavy pressure, support and secure the area during drilling, and use a new or sharp bit, the operation can be more precise than a reamer since the bit diameter is a constant. A little more with a reamer might be a little bit too much resulting in a less that optimum fit. Difficult to do, yes, but it can happen if one loses patience and doesn't check fit frequently enough. I don't remeber what the jig cost: but like any Stew-Mac piece it was quality and that's never inexpensive. I mainly got the thing just cause I knew I'd need all the help I could get trying to rescue this Mossberg massacred lookin' mess. Worth a look just for the peace of mind. Wedgie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bender 4 Life Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 This will be my last post on this thread................I don't really care WHO advises it, a tapered reamer leaves a tapered hole........which I would be inclined to raise serious sand about if it were MY guitar. Attacking it from front, AND back, leaves a nice tight center, and slop on both surfaces. If this is the way anybody wants it done, FINE........ I've worked with far too much delicate (and sturdy) wood, to even try it that way. A Spring loaded STRAIGHT reamer......maybe,....... tapered......ummmmmm NO. Unless the inserts themselves are tapered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWANG Posted February 10, 2009 Author Share Posted February 10, 2009 Since Stewart-McDonald has entered the discussion I'll add this tidbit... They offer a tuner peg drill jig.This l'il pricey piece of plunder tightens into an existing tuner hole using a cone shaped device on a bolt to: center' date=' and affix a metal jig aligned to give options for the locational lock screw along with a table of what manufacturers types go where. I got one of these little gems to repair a headstock on an Epi whose owner must have been a member of a tuner of the month club. Thing had had so many types in it, it looked like it was fired on with birdshot. Forget the press or a reamer; somebody had did this puppy with a power drill and a broken bit. Original holes had to be plugged with dowels and then re- drilled square, (on a drill-press, reamin' won't do it here folks). After the correct pattern and spacing was back the jig was employed to drill holes to locate new Spurzels where Grovers were in the beginning. This was especially handy since we filled the entire back of the headstock and just started from scratch. I do agree that a reamer will work well: but so many times damage from drilling comes from a lack of experience and technique. If you back up the hole with flat solid hardwood, use a slower speed with steady but not heavy pressure, support and secure the area during drilling, and use a new or sharp bit, the operation can be more precise than a reamer since the bit diameter is a constant. A little more with a reamer might be a little bit too much resulting in a less that optimum fit. Difficult to do, yes, but it can happen if one loses patience and doesn't check fit frequently enough. I don't remeber what the jig cost: but like any Stew-Mac piece it was quality and that's never inexpensive. I mainly got the thing just cause I knew I'd need all the help I could get trying to rescue this Mossberg massacred lookin' mess. Worth a look just for the peace of mind. Wedgie[/quote'] If you back up the hole with flat solid hardwood, use a slower speed with steady but not heavy pressure, support and secure the area during drilling, and use a new or sharp bit, the operation can be more precise than a reamer since the bit diameter is a constant. Gosh. Just like me. Well, back to my 'hacking'. TWANG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarxBros Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 PS: http://www.tkinstruments.com/id94.htm http://www.tkinstruments.com/id94.htm#drilling_your_own_post_holes_for_guitar http://en.allexperts.com/q/Guitar-General-649/gear-ratio-tuners-1.htm http://www.lmii.com/carttwo/HeadSlotJig.htm http://www.musicianshotline.com/archive/monthly/mean_gene/06_05.htm http://www.higgydude.com/tuners/63-tele-tuners.asp Expert: Bill Ruxton - 11/10/2004 -------- Luthiers Mercantile International 1-800-477-4437 HEADSTOCK SLOTTING JIG -------- Fine Tuned Instruments LLC home of Gene Baker built instruments via Musicians Hotline ---------- and of course Higgy Dude ----------Anyone can selectively google any opinion they want when they don't know thier fubar from a nelson in the ground but want to give someone else marx. You can figure out' date=' without googling, exactly what meaning I substituted your names for, even though it will probably take you a month. You really should have taken the time to find this out on your own instead of once again making a complete casinogino of yourself. The only problem is you actually started to get support for your stupidity..and from people who also might have shown the good sense to look around. And of course, you count on that.. people coming to conclusions or forming opinions without making any effort to learn anything at all. And of course, that's why you're here. To bully people and strut and pose, spreading your ignorant stink from ceiling to floor. As for Dan. Some twenty years ago or better I spoke with him via mail when he was hiring an assistant. Had a band at the time and never followed it up. Wish I had. Probably be doing it his way. I have nothing but the utmost respect for him. and for a LOT of other luthiers, too. I suggest you do the same. TWANG Please[/quote'] It's nice of you to show tools and such for drilling original holes such as this link you posted, http://www.lmii.com/carttwo/HeadSlotJig.htm which has NOTHING to do with enlarging already existing holes. I would expect you to know the difference between that, but again, hack away...that's what you know how to do. And you're lucky you didn't get the job with Dan, he certainly would've fired you for poor workmanship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWANG Posted February 10, 2009 Author Share Posted February 10, 2009 Use one of those two ugly heads of yours. It shows a jig..for a headstock.. it's an extension of, an aspect, of the point. Not the point. It clearly shows a headstock in a jig having applied to it.. not a simple drill bit from a press.. but a damned router. making the point that you're full of it. Unless you are stupid enough to think a drill press causes more stress than a router! Man.. you are SUCH a simpleton. bwahahahaha! bwahahahaha! think before you post! the point was made clearly. You are wrong. You were wrong from the start. Many expert luthiers do it the same way I do. I am not a hack. You are not an expert. Dan Erlwine is not the only luthier in the world. You sought to attack me, and failed. You look like a fool. You are a fool. Everyone knows it. You did it to yourself. You should feel ashamed. You don't. You don't know how. and probably never will. You try marx, even when it's been shoved completly up your fubar, to look good. and you fail even then. TWANG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarxBros Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 Use one of those two ugly heads of yours. It shows a jig..for a headstock.. it's an extension of' date=' an aspect, of the point. Not the point. It clearly shows a headstock in a jig having applied to it.. not a simple drill bit from a press.. but a damned router. making the point that you're full of it. Unless you are stupid enough to think a drill press causes more stress than a router! Man.. you are SUCH a simpleton. bwahahahaha! bwahahahaha! think before you post! the point was made clearly. You are wrong. You were wrong from the start. Many expert luthiers do it the same way I do. I am not a hack. You are not an expert. Dan Erlwine is not the only luthier in the world. You sought to attack me, and failed. You look like a fool. You are a fool. Everyone knows it. You did it to yourself. You should feel ashamed. You don't. You don't know how. and probably never will. You try marx, even when it's been shoved completly up your fubar, to look good. and you fail even then. TWANG[/quote']Ah...the real you coming out, you're worse than I thought, I bet your brain feels as good as new, seeing that you've never used it. Totally clueless, no wonder you you are relegated to selling hacked pickguards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWANG Posted February 10, 2009 Author Share Posted February 10, 2009 God I love that. I love that you are soooo stupid you never thought to look at the headstock jig or relate it what we were arguing. I love that you LOOKED RIGHT AT the big old router being applied and NOT FOR A MOMENT considered how much more dangerous BY YOUR OWN LOGIC that would be vibration wise compared to a mere drill press. I'm serious. For all the crap you've given me at last we have you painted clearly in your corner. You have NO OPINION on putting in tuners and don't know or care about it. You just wanted to nail me.. YOU FAILED.. YOU MADE A FOOL OF YOURSELF. AND I'M GONNA POINT IT OUT ALL THE TIME, JUST LIKE YOU ATTACK ME ALL THE TIME. BWAHAHAHAHA BWAHHHAAAAHAHHAAAAAAAA YOU'RE FOOL... A GENUINE FOOL.... THE DIPSTICK OF THE FORUM.... ALL ALONE IN YOUR LONELY ROOM. BLUSHING AND GRINDING YOUR TEETH.. UNABLE TO HOLD YOUR HEAD UP IN PUBLIC WITHOUT FEELING LIKE A FOOOOOOL A GREAT BIG FOOOOOOOOL!!! BWAHAHAHAHA BWAHAHAHAHA! and now back to something I can actually care about. TWANG *snicker* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWANG Posted February 10, 2009 Author Share Posted February 10, 2009 Yes marx. yes.. ignore as you always do.... your own stupidity.. even when it's clear to everyone reading.. yes.. ignore it.. noone will notice you made a jackass of yourself.. noone will be saying har har that marx is a dork. noone at all! TWANG ha ahahahahahaaaa!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarxBros Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 God I love that.I love that you are soooo stupid you never thought to look at the headstock jig or relate it what we were arguing. I love that you LOOKED RIGHT AT the big old router being applied and NOT FOR A MOMENT considered how much more dangerous BY YOUR OWN LOGIC that would be vibration wise compared to a mere drill press. I'm serious. For all the crap you've given me at last we have you painted clearly in your corner. You have NO OPINION on putting in tuners and don't know or care about it. You just wanted to nail me.. YOU FAILED.. YOU MADE A FOOL OF YOURSELF. AND I'M GONNA POINT IT OUT ALL THE TIME' date=' JUST LIKE YOU ATTACK ME ALL THE TIME. BWAHAHAHAHA BWAHHHAAAAHAHHAAAAAAAA YOU'RE FOOL... A GENUINE FOOL.... THE DIPSTICK OF THE FORUM.... ALL ALONE IN YOUR LONELY ROOM. BLUSHING AND GRINDING YOUR TEETH.. UNABLE TO HOLD YOUR HEAD UP IN PUBLIC WITHOUT FEELING LIKE A FOOOOOOL A GREAT BIG FOOOOOOOOL!!! BWAHAHAHAHA BWAHAHAHAHA! and now back to something I can actually care about. TWANG *snicker*[/quote']Your nonsensical babbling go hand in hand with your delusion that you think your a guitar tech. The fact you think your methods are superior to Dan's only cements in the truth of how big a hack you really are. The only thing I can guess is a half-wit gave you a piece of his mind, and you held on to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarxBros Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 Yes marx. yes..ignore as you always do.... your own stupidity.. even when it's clear to everyone reading.. yes.. ignore it.. noone will notice you made a jackass of yourself.. noone will be saying har har that marx is a dork. noone at all! TWANG ha ahahahahahaaaa!! I'm just curious...As an outsider, what do you think of the human race? I mean on a serious note.... do you ever wonder what life would be like if you'd had enough oxygen at birth???:P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWANG Posted February 10, 2009 Author Share Posted February 10, 2009 yes marx. keep it up. try to forget. bury that foolish post of yours.. get it back far far away... so you don't have to cry yourself to sleep tonight. bwahahahaha! you tried so hard to knock me and made a complete jerk of yourself.. and TWICE! god it was precious.. it was classic.. it's the kind of act everyone talks about happening on the internet.. idiot makes fool of himself.. trys to get around it.. does it again.. then forgets all about the point he screwed up and goes on the attack. how very jr. high of you MARXY you don't mind if I call you MARXY, do you? or do you? MARXY! TWANG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarxBros Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 yes marx. keep it up.try to forget. bury that foolish post of yours.. get it back far far away... so you don't have to cry yourself to sleep tonight. bwahahahaha! you tried so hard to knock me and made a complete jerk of yourself.. and TWICE! god it was precious.. it was classic.. it's the kind of act everyone talks about happening on the internet.. idiot makes fool of himself.. trys to get around it.. does it again.. then forgets all about the point he screwed up and goes on the attack. how very jr. high of you MARXY you don't mind if I call you MARXY' date=' do you? or do you? MARXY! TWANG[/quote']Twang, or is that WANG? Really, the reality is when it comes to discussing guitars it’s painfully obvious you would be out of your depth in a parking lot puddle. I honestly don't know what makes you so stupid, but it’s really working. Your posts look like something one would expect out of a 3rd grader....wait I'm sorry for that. That's an insult to 3rd graders everywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWANG Posted February 10, 2009 Author Share Posted February 10, 2009 yes MARXY keep ignoring your stupid mistakes.. both of them.. bwahahahaha you'll fool everyone with your quick wit, where real knowledge failed you completly. it'll work. really! yer stupid.... you were wrong. you were wrong and showed the depth of your error.. it was freaking hilarious.. I LOVED it. and it's not even my birthday. BUT WAIT.. THERE'S MORE.. After doing that, instead of being a man about.. instead of just acknowledging your error and continuing on like a human being.. you try to insult your way out of it.. I mean it's just CLASSIC an obvious neurosis.. frued would giggle and drop his cigar.. jung would ask you about your dream.. pavlov would hide his dog dish! you're up to your neck in it this time MARXY you have no way out. bwahahahahaaaaa! you stepped in the doo doo bud and now you stink! TWANG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarxBros Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 yes MARXY keep ignoring your stupid mistakes..both of them.. bwahahahaha you'll fool everyone with your quick wit' date=' where real knowledge failed you completly. it'll work. really! yer stupid.... you were wrong. you were wrong and showed the depth of your error.. it was freaking hilarious.. I LOVED it. and it's not even my birthday. BUT WAIT.. THERE'S MORE.. After doing that, instead of being a man about.. instead of just acknowledging your error and continuing on like a human being.. you try to insult your way out of it.. I mean it's just CLASSIC an obvious neurosis.. frued would giggle and drop his cigar.. jung would ask you about your dream.. pavlov would hide his dog dish! you're up to your neck in it this time MARXY you have no way out. bwahahahahaaaaa! you stepped in the doo doo bud and now you stink! TWANG[/quote']Keep talking Wang, someday you'll say something intelligent, the odds are with you. But…Perhaps your whole purpose in life is simply to serve as a warning to others. The fact is you dismiss a tried and true proven method of guitar woodworking. Endorsed and approved by world renowned and respected luthier’s for decades. But you…yes you are to be taken seriously? :P You are the poster child for the word delusional. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWANG Posted February 10, 2009 Author Share Posted February 10, 2009 Hey everyone.. read the thread where MARXY displays his nastiness, immaturity and ignorance all at the same time.. it's refreshing. you'll feel better for days. you'll walk around with a big smile on your face. bwahahahahahaaa bwahhahahahaaa ah. I feel so good. It's almost naughty to feel this good about another human beings plight. Shadefrude the Germans call it. ah, but what do they know! They probably use reamers! bwahahahaaaa TWANG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWANG Posted February 10, 2009 Author Share Posted February 10, 2009 Yes MARXY darling push this thread to the top.. keep it fresh in everyone's mind.. let them read it over and over.. ignore where you were wrong.. twice! lead people away from that with your foolish fooling.. it's such a good trick bwahahahahaaaa bwahhaaaaahhahaha how's it taste MARXY sweety.. pookie... snookums? Hows' it taste this defeat. this abject loserness.. this total dweebosity? is it good? TWANG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarxBros Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 Yes MARXY darling push this thread to the top.. keep it fresh in everyone's mind.. let them read it over and over.. ignore where you were wrong.. twice! lead people away from that with your foolish fooling.. it's such a good trick bwahahahahaaaa bwahhaaaaahhahaha how's it taste MARXY sweety.. pookie... snookums? Hows' it taste this defeat. this abject loserness.. this total dweebosity? is it good? TWANG Really now, I'd insult you, but you're not bright enough to notice, Go back to drilling out headstock holes to enlarge them. Dan and everyone else are wrong and you are right. After all, it worked a whole staggering 20 times, so it must be the tried and proven method, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWANG Posted February 10, 2009 Author Share Posted February 10, 2009 the new grovers reprise me. I think the new grovers look good. marxy. I know everything about everything. me. really? marxy. well no. truthfully, I know nothing at all. but I'm a jerk! me. oh, well, yes. I see that now. Marxy. I'm not going to acknowledge it though. me. but,didn't you just prove it? Marxy. well, I'm gonna cry for a while. but then I'm just gonna be a jerk again. me. yes, I can see that. Marxy. so there. I win. me. yes Marxy. You win. There's a nice boy. Marxy boo hooo booo hoooo boo hoo.. TWANG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWANG Posted February 10, 2009 Author Share Posted February 10, 2009 marxy on luthiery "I saw an url once and that's all I needed" TWANG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarxBros Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 the new grovers reprise me. I think the new grovers look good. marxy. I know everything about everything. me. really? marxy. well no. truthfully' date=' I know nothing at all. but I'm a jerk! me. oh, well, yes. I see that now. Marxy. I'm not going to acknowledge it though. me. but,didn't you just prove it? Marxy. well, I'm gonna cry for a while. but then I'm just gonna be a jerk again. me. yes, I can see that. Marxy. so there. I win. me. yes Marxy. You win. There's a nice boy. Marxy boo hooo booo hoooo boo hoo.. TWANG[/quote']Each post of yours decays into a lower level of childlish internet posting. You're at the 1st grade level right now, and in the end yeah.... it sounds like English, but I can't understand a word you're saying, perhaps if you took the pacifier out of your mouth it’d make more sense? Just sayin....:P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarxBros Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 marxy on luthiery "I saw an url once and that's all I needed" TWANG I see said the blind Wang as he picked up his drill and saw a split headstock.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWANG Posted February 10, 2009 Author Share Posted February 10, 2009 Say, Bob, what happened in epi forums today. Well, Sam, there was this kid, Marxy, they call him. And lo and behold, he was wearing his butt for a necktie! Gosh, Bob, you don't say! Sam, it was incredible. He just kept picking his nose and saying 'what's that smell?' over and over. Gee whiz, Bob! Didn't anyone tell him it was his own butt? Sam, they were all just too nice, except this one guy, Twang they call him. He pointed it out to Marxy, but Marxy claimed all knowledge and awareness was his. And that butts couldn't even be worn as neckties because you couldn't tie a butt. But, Bob, didn't Marxy realize that was just a metaphor for having his head up his A**, and the stink was just how dumb he was? No, Sam, Marxy couldn't figure that out. He just kept picking his nose and mumbling 'what's that smell?'. Finally, someone lit a match and, you know.. metaphor or not.. Marxy exploded right on the spot. Gee, Bob, seems a shame. No, Sam. Not really. TWANG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWANG Posted February 10, 2009 Author Share Posted February 10, 2009 Say, speaking of heads splitting. which has never happened at TWANGS shop. what happened to old Marxy? He got reamed! tWANG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWANG Posted February 10, 2009 Author Share Posted February 10, 2009 Ah this was fun. time to go watch daily show! TWANG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarxBros Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 Say' date=' Bob, what happened in epi forums today. Well, Sam, there was this kid, Marxy, they call him. And lo and behold, he was wearing his butt for a necktie! Gosh, Bob, you don't say! Sam, it was incredible. He just kept picking his nose and saying 'what's that smell?' over and over. Gee whiz, Bob! Didn't anyone tell him it was his own butt? Sam, they were all just too nice, except this one guy, Twang they call him. He pointed it out to Marxy, but Marxy claimed all knowledge and awareness was his. And that butts couldn't even be worn as neckties because you couldn't tie a butt. But, Bob, didn't Marxy realize that was just a metaphor for having his head up his A**, and the stink was just how dumb he was? No, Sam, Marxy couldn't figure that out. He just kept picking his nose and mumbling 'what's that smell?'. Finally, someone lit a match and, you know.. metaphor or not.. Marxy exploded right on the spot. Gee, Bob, seems a shame. No, Sam. Not really. TWANG[/quote']I'm not sure what is worse, your luthier skills or your forum posting. At least post something that might make me laugh, at this point I'm thinking your hacked pickguards are funnier than your posts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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