yaugnotsac Posted December 30, 2009 Share Posted December 30, 2009 Hi emperor regent fans, I just bought a used emperor regent (" used " is stamped on the back of the head piece) and the tailpiece is not as the usual frequensator trapeze but a regular triangle tailpiece The serial number is blackmarked and seems made in japan I don't know the year ... but it sounds pretty good. Could anyone tell me if the emperor regent guitar always had the same tailpiece since the beginning or is this a trialout guitar that never made it? Thanks to anyone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smips65 Posted December 30, 2009 Share Posted December 30, 2009 Post some pictures tailpiece, front and back of headstock, inside epi label (inside F hole) go to the forum feedback tab to learn how to post pics if u don't know how to yet. Welcome to the gang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yaugnotsac Posted December 30, 2009 Author Share Posted December 30, 2009 I'll try to post a picture from the ebay site from who I bought it e5625dc8b33a356e5324883fc9e8443ea59674de Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yaugnotsac Posted December 30, 2009 Author Share Posted December 30, 2009 I think it's better to send you the item # on Ebay :180439425717 Since that's the one I bought, Thanks for looking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smips65 Posted December 31, 2009 Share Posted December 31, 2009 here's the link: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180439425717&ru=http%3A%2F%2Fshop.ebay.com%3A80%2F%3F_from%3DR40%26_trksid%3Dp3902.m38.l1313%26_nkw%3D180439425717%26_sacat%3DSee-All-Categories%26_fvi%3D1&_rdc=1 I would get that neck-mounted pickup looked at right away. Here is another one with the frequensator tail, called an Emp, VCSB http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250434418282&rvr_id=&crlp=1_263602_263622&UA=WVI7&GUID=6228edf91250a04372a03eb0ffd7a0b9&itemid=250434418282&ff4=263602_263622 Not sure what the vcsb means, but it has the single neck mount like yours. More experienced eyes than mine may help Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yaugnotsac Posted January 1, 2010 Author Share Posted January 1, 2010 Thanks for the link and advice I was planning to have it looked at by my luthier I think the guitar has been modified at many levels... tailpiece, neck rod, scratchpad and maybe the pickup... Well I hope it's still a good guitar ! I'd really like to know witch year it was built... Thanks again and a very happy new year with loads of music Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smips65 Posted January 1, 2010 Share Posted January 1, 2010 When it arrives, find the serial number, then go here http://www.guitardaterproject.org/epiphone.aspx this should tell you within 80% accuracy when, where, etc. Have fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Svet Posted January 1, 2010 Share Posted January 1, 2010 I think you should have asked us first. That guitar is stamped used because it is a factory second. That means there was a flaw with the guitars workmanship and Epiphone could not sell it as first quality. As such the original owner probably paid less than the average and would not have had a warranty. I paid 599 for my brand new Emperor Regent that was of first quality with no issues. I'd be a little concerned with the fitting by the neck and bridge pickup on that guitar. How did it get mangled like that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yaugnotsac Posted January 1, 2010 Author Share Posted January 1, 2010 I am a bit concerned by the used stamp on the head but at first glance I did not see any flaws ,except for the pickup, the non original tailpiece, and neck tie rod . Also the serial # is erased . I am planning to ask the last owner from who he bought it some questions. Otherwise it sounds pretty good. Thanks for your help Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Svet Posted January 1, 2010 Share Posted January 1, 2010 Those are all signs of a stamped second guitar. Epiphone crossed out the serial number so that they know not to cover any work under warranty should it be returned. The triangle tail piece is what is used on the Casino and it is common for Epiphone to change hardware on its "second rate" or "used" guitars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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yaugnotsac Posted January 1, 2010 Author Share Posted January 1, 2010 Does this mean I bought a bad guitar and have been had ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Svet Posted January 1, 2010 Share Posted January 1, 2010 Not necessarily, it just means you didn't get the best price imho but it might actually play and sound fantastic. If it does than the price is irrelevant! As long as you enjoy the guitar you're ok. Your price is ballpark but on the high side. One big positive it you have the reddish tint in your finish and they stopped that some years ago. That is the finish that I wanted but I had to settle for the brown variant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yaugnotsac Posted January 1, 2010 Author Share Posted January 1, 2010 Thanks for the encouragement ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yaugnotsac Posted January 1, 2010 Author Share Posted January 1, 2010 Your info helped me a lot to make a relative opinion Thanks all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ship of fools Posted January 1, 2010 Share Posted January 1, 2010 They used the Used stamp for guitars that were returned for whatever repairs might have been needed and instead of doing the repairs right away they often sent new replacements so not necessarily did you get your self a dud, just not sure that the price really merits the guitars, who knows Epiphone might have changed the tail piece to get a better tone, sound out of her.Once she's in your hands do whatever it takes to keep her playable and then play the living hell out of her to get that beautiful sound she'll give you.love her to death.ship Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yaugnotsac Posted January 2, 2010 Author Share Posted January 2, 2010 They used the Used stamp for guitars that were returned for whatever repairs might have been needed and instead of doing the repairs right away they often sent new replacements so not necessarily did you get your self a dud' date=' just not sure that the price really merits the guitars, who knows Epiphone might have changed the tail piece to get a better tone, sound out of her.Once she's in your hands do whatever it takes to keep her playable and then play the living hell out of her to get that beautiful sound she'll give you.love her to death.ship[/quote'] Thanks for the info... Your so right, if I am pleased with the feel and the sound who cares for details, I am not a purist, but a musicien. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carverman Posted January 2, 2010 Share Posted January 2, 2010 Those are all signs of a stamped second guitar. Epiphone crossed out the serial number so that they know not to cover any work under warranty should it be returned. The triangle tail piece is what is used on the Casino and it is common for Epiphone to change hardware on its "second rate" or "used" guitars. That is correct Svet. I have a stamped used Broadway Elitist that was stamped "used" on the back of the headstock along with part (production number) of the sn being obliterated. They also removed the nice tortoishells pickguard and replaced it with a plain black one and the engraved "elitist" trc and replaced it with a plain one. The white pointy knobs were replaced by the standard gold bell knobs. They removed the t-o-m and replaced it with an ebonized rosewood one, as well as the Grover Imperials, replacing those with plain asian kidney beans. They kept the oem Epiphone case for it as well. Overall, they removed about $300 of oem h/w and that doesn't include the case. It had a small crack on the top..that was repaired (probably) by the E-Bay seller (a dealer). Overall, it's still a good deal for me as I bought it for half the going price of a new one, had the trc engraved locally and added my own embellishments..so at this point it doesn't matter and I really don't care about the Epiphone warranty as I would never send this guitar back to Epiphone..even if I bought it new in the first place. This model is very hard to find up here in Canada..and I've always wanted one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carverman Posted January 2, 2010 Share Posted January 2, 2010 Thanks for the info...Your so right' date=' if I am pleased with the feel and the sound who cares for details, I am not a purist, but a musicien. [/quote'] The bent p_up mount that I see from the picture can probably be straighten out. I would remove the screws and move the p_up off the guitar and do it myself.. no big deal. The other issue being the tp...that's just a crappy standard tp. Get the nice Jazz tp from GFS, like I did for my Emp IIs, and not only will the guitar look better, but it will have some string compensation in the tp. All these are minor issues for this stamped "used" guitar. The only real issue is it's future resale value, if one is worried about that. Being a stamped "used", and obliterated sn, it will not fetch the same price as a new one that is sold later on as used..and the buyer could be suspicious of it not having a proper SN..unless of course the price is reduced greatly..then anybody that wants that kind of guitar will still probably go for it. In my case, I'm not worried about resale value of my stamped "used" Broadway Elitist..because it's still a beautiful guitar to me and one that I will never part with in my lifetime..willing it to one of my grandkids instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yaugnotsac Posted January 6, 2010 Author Share Posted January 6, 2010 The bent p_up mount that I see from the picture can probably be straighten out.I would remove the screws and move the p_up off the guitar and do it myself.. no big deal. The other issue being the tp...that's just a crappy standard tp. Get the nice Jazz tp from GFS' date=' like I did for my Emp IIs, and not only will the guitar look better, but it will have some string compensation in the tp. All these are minor issues for this stamped "used" guitar. The only real issue is it's future resale value, if one is worried about that. Being a stamped "used", and obliterated sn, it will not fetch the same price as a new one that is sold later on as used..and the buyer could be suspicious of it not having a proper SN..unless of course the price is reduced greatly..then anybody that wants that kind of guitar will still probably go for it. In my case, I'm not worried about resale value of my stamped "used" Broadway Elitist..because it's still a beautiful guitar to me and one that I will never part with in my lifetime..willing it to one of my grandkids instead. [/quote'] I think the same thanks a lot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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