Upiory Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 Hi. I'm a new member, and this is my first post. Hope I don't offend. I own several Epiphones: Sheraton II, Broadway, Casino, G-400, and a '57 Reissue Junior. The Casino is one of my favorites, but the tuners are wretched. Can anyone advise where I can upgrade the tuners without having to drill new holes in the headstock? Thanks for your consideration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fringe Lunatic Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 You didn't mention exactly why your Casino's tuners are "wretched", but if your problem is that the guitar won't stay in tune, the tuners are probably not the problem. YMMV That being said, I'm sure that the other Casino owners on the forum will tell you what will be a direct replacement for those particular tuners, which I think are the 2-screw Kluson type. FWIW, Guitar Fetish has Kluson style tuners that may be a perfect fit: http://www.guitarfetish.com/Vintage-Nickel-Gibson-Style-Tuners-for-3x3-Headstock_p_823.html and they have the same thing with green keystone buttons, if you want a different look: http://www.guitarfetish.com/3x3-Keystone-Green-Key-Vintage-Style-Tuners-Nickel_p_36.html I haven't used those tuners, but everything else I've gotten from them has been good quality at a good price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swoop Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 The oval button Kluson brand tuners are a direct replacement for the stock Epiphone tuners on your Casino. I have a set on my Casino, and they're very nice, high quality tuners. Much, much better than the stock ones. http://www.wdmusic.com/3_on_side_kluson_nickel.html You do have to remove the original bushings and fit the ones that come with the tuners though. The shaft on the Klusons is a bit larger, and will not fit through the stock bushing. This can be tricky to do, so if you're not confident in doing it, take it to someone who has the appropriate skills and tools to remove them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tweed2 Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 1+ on the Klusons. I had no problem pushing the old bushings out and installing the new ones. The holes were not quite big enough. But with the appropriate sized bit, in a cordless drill, run in reverse (so as not to allow the bit to dig in) reamed the existing holes out easily. I forget what size bit I used, but could easily figure it out if you'd like. Quick and painless. Sold the stock ones on eBay for $15, bought the Klusons on eBay for $48 (including shipping), so $33 for tuners that look great and hold tune. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Upiory Posted January 29, 2011 Author Share Posted January 29, 2011 Thanks, guys! I have to tune up to nail the pitch with the stock tuners; also, there's a bit of slippage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgrmatt Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 I've bought a couple of sets of genuine Kluson tuners from Ant Hill Music in Fla. Like others have said straight out with the old and straight in with the new, no drilling smooth change and they do a great job! mgm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
claydots Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 Another vote for Gibson Deluxe Kluson's... in and out, you won't even break a sweat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingarmadillo Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 Thanks, guys! I have to tune up to nail the pitch with the stock tuners; also, there's a bit of slippage. Nearly every manufacturer recommends that you tune up not down to pitch. The only exception that I know of is on the Fender models with the Schaller locking tuners. That may be part of your problem - tuning down is simply bad practice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fringe Lunatic Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 Nearly every manufacturer recommends that you tune up not down to pitch. The only exception that I know of is on the Fender models with the Schaller locking tuners. That may be part of your problem - tuning down is simply bad practice. How many of us have made the mistake of replacing tuners when the problem really was nut binding, improper post wrapping, bad or wrong gauge strings, bad intonation, etc.? I know I have. I'd hate to see someone spend 60 bucks unnecessarily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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