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#1 User is offline   AliArrietaLP 

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Posted 02 December 2017 - 12:42 PM

Hello!

I'm from Venezuela, my name is Ali and my father gave me this guitar this year ... My father bought this Les Paul a few years ago from an American boy who visited Venezuela ...

I need you to help me learn more about my Gibson Les Paul Recording II ... I was reading and looking in Google for information about this and I know that this guitar was made in 1972 ...

I want to know what is the value of this guitar and how many were made because I know it's a special edition ...

The serial number is 301115 Gibson Les Paul Recording II
Please helé!

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Posted 02 December 2017 - 04:27 PM

Hi and welcome to the forum.

Nice guitar.

According to Tony Bacon's book 'The Les Paul Guitar' there were approximately 5,000 LP Recording version II's made and just over 1,300 of these were made in '72.
It wasn't a 'special edition' per se; it simply just wasn't a high-volume seller by its very nature; most players did not need - nor want - the lo-impedance pickups and circuitry.

Value? No one can say with any degree of accuracy.
Depends totally on where you live; how many purchasers might want to buy; how many guitars are for sale at any one time and so on.
You could check completed eBay listings in the country in which you live but that will still only give a rough idea of what some sold for in the past - not a guarantee of how much yours might sell for in the future.

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Posted 02 December 2017 - 06:57 PM

Hi, I think your guitar is actually a 1974. My reference book only shows serial numbers beginning with 3XXXXX for 1974. Also,1972 was the first year that the Les Paul Recording was introduced. The first year the guitar had an ABR bridge, yours has the harmonica bridge so it likely isn't a 1972. Gibson serial numbers from this era is all over the place, so nothing is for sure. Your guitar has low impedance pickups in it, this was Les Paul's secret to his tone. In 1968, he gave Gibson his secret. They came out with the Les Paul Professional & the Les Paul Personal around 1970, they didn't catch on mostly because artists like Eric Clapton had popularized the sound of a high impedance Les Paul overdriven by a Marshall Stack etc..... Times had changed & people were not as interested in a guitar with incredible clean tone a unbelievable harmonics. The first guitars were extremely heavy & you needed a special transformer chord to play it in a normal high impedance amp. Your guitar is the second version for the low impedance Les Pauls. It was a bit lighter & has a built in transformer so you can switch from low to high impedance. The Les Paul Recording II is actually a recent model. Gibson came out with a reissue around 2013. It looked similar but had high impedance pickups with a transformer to adapt it to low impedance. I have a 1973 Les Paul Recording & the 2013 Les Paul Recording II (sometimes referred as the Les Paul Irridium).

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Posted 03 December 2017 - 10:09 AM

Where's the German guy that used to post on here that has one of these guitars (at least one)?

Sorry, the name escapes me but not seen him for a while.

Just remembered - Bence.
GUITARS: 1978 Gibson Les Paul 25 / 50; Gibson ES345 1959 Reissue; 1974 Yamaha AE12 jazz box; Yamaha SG2000: Fender "Roland Ready" Strat; Epiphone Les Paul '56; Epiphone SG400; HK Steinberger copy; Cimar Classical.
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Posted 03 December 2017 - 10:24 AM

I believe Bence is from Hungary, Dave Gould is from England. The three of us make up the largest part of "The Gibson Low Impedance Club" in the Vintage Corner of this forum. Not much action lately.
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Posted 03 December 2017 - 02:50 PM

View PostGrog, on 03 December 2017 - 10:24 AM, said:

I believe Bence is from Hungary, Dave Gould is from England. The three of us make up the largest part of "The Gibson Low Impedance Club" in the Vintage Corner of this forum. Not much action lately.


I stand corrected Grog.

Yes, you are right Bence is Hungarian but I haven't seen him post for a good while.

I have long fancied a Les Paul Recording but for me it would have to be the model (whichever one that is) that has the "tone change" switch as I believe most of them don't have this facility.
GUITARS: 1978 Gibson Les Paul 25 / 50; Gibson ES345 1959 Reissue; 1974 Yamaha AE12 jazz box; Yamaha SG2000: Fender "Roland Ready" Strat; Epiphone Les Paul '56; Epiphone SG400; HK Steinberger copy; Cimar Classical.
AMPS & EFFECTS: Various effects, synths and Mesa Maverick 1 x 12.
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#7 User is offline   Grog 

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Posted 03 December 2017 - 06:23 PM

The main electronics stayed pretty much the same, with the exception of the high/low impedance switch on the Recording models. The three position Tone switch & the Decade switch are on all of the 60's & 70's models.

http://www.vintagegu...recording_2.php

http://www.vintagegu...recording_3.php
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Posted 04 December 2017 - 11:03 AM

View PostGrog, on 03 December 2017 - 06:23 PM, said:

The main electronics stayed pretty much the same, with the exception of the high/low impedance switch on the Recording models. The three position Tone switch & the Decade switch are on all of the 60's & 70's models.

http://www.vintagegu...recording_2.php

http://www.vintagegu...recording_3.php



Thanks for those links Grog. Much appreciated.
GUITARS: 1978 Gibson Les Paul 25 / 50; Gibson ES345 1959 Reissue; 1974 Yamaha AE12 jazz box; Yamaha SG2000: Fender "Roland Ready" Strat; Epiphone Les Paul '56; Epiphone SG400; HK Steinberger copy; Cimar Classical.
AMPS & EFFECTS: Various effects, synths and Mesa Maverick 1 x 12.
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Posted 05 December 2017 - 06:55 AM

The instrument in question looks like a Recording v.1.

Version 2 was made between 1978-1980 with the "standard" body shape. 256 examples in total.

Version II (Iridium model) is a recent reissue with modern features.

Best wishes... Bence
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Posted 06 December 2017 - 01:04 PM

You might look at the codes on the pots. Part of that number is a date code.
If they are original, and most likely are, that should give you a close approximation of the manufacture date.
And I would look at all of them, they should all be very close in dates.
I have a pot sitting here, the last 4 digits are 1510, means 10th week of 2015.
You can go here and do a search on the code, should tell you the manufacturer and date.

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Posted 10 December 2017 - 09:41 AM

View Postbtoth76, on 05 December 2017 - 06:55 AM, said:

The instrument in question looks like a Recording v.1.

Version 2 was made between 1978-1980 with the "standard" body shape. 256 examples in total.

Version II (Iridium model) is a recent reissue with modern features.

Best wishes... Bence


Glad to see you still around Bence (not saying you haven't posted but I haven't noticed any posts).
GUITARS: 1978 Gibson Les Paul 25 / 50; Gibson ES345 1959 Reissue; 1974 Yamaha AE12 jazz box; Yamaha SG2000: Fender "Roland Ready" Strat; Epiphone Les Paul '56; Epiphone SG400; HK Steinberger copy; Cimar Classical.
AMPS & EFFECTS: Various effects, synths and Mesa Maverick 1 x 12.
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Posted 13 December 2017 - 10:30 AM

View PostPin, on 10 December 2017 - 09:41 AM, said:

Glad to see you still around Bence (not saying you haven't posted but I haven't noticed any posts).


Hello Pin.

Yes, I have been away for quite long time. I've got lot of work to do these day.

I try to be present a bit more, if I can manage.

Cheers... Bence
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2016 Epiphone Les Paul ES WR
2010 Fender FSR Standard Ash Telecaster Butterscotch Blonde (Baja modded)
- 2013 Fender American Special Stratocaster SG
Böhm-Regent amplification

VOX Wah V845 - Ibanez effects - Zoom MS-50G - Stereo Tremolo Pan - EP Booster - Diablo Plus
Bayus straps (http://bayus.eu)
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Posted 13 December 2017 - 11:31 AM

Judging by the serial number and comparing with mine it is definitely not '72.

More like '75 - but that is just guess work.

Nice condition apart from the output socket.

DG

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Posted 27 February 2018 - 12:04 AM

View Postbtoth76, on 05 December 2017 - 06:55 AM, said:

The instrument in question looks like a Recording v.1.

Version 2 was made between 1978-1980 with the "standard" body shape. 256 examples in total.

Version II (Iridium model) is a recent reissue with modern features.

Best wishes... Bence


Bence, what do you mean by 256 examples in total?
Do you mean only 256 guitars ( Second Edition) were made?

I'm trying to identify a LP I just bought.
Serial number is 73417077
It has been modified and is peculiarly shaped.
Under the stamped serial number on the headstock is stamped the word "SECOND"
I havent removed enough finish yet, but I would guess underneath the word SECOND I would expect to find the word EDITION.

This guitar is really perplexing me.
Would you mind taking a look at my thread?

I would really appreciate some opinions/guesses that you might have.

Thanks. :)

http://forum.gibson....79#entry1920079
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Posted 27 February 2018 - 08:09 AM

Your guitar doesn't look like a Recording model to me at all, I'm not sure what it really is................ As far as the "SECOND" stamped on the back of the headstock, that was common at the time. Sometimes there was no visible reason for the stamp. The second version of the Les Paul Recording was only slightly different than the original. A smaller (standard size) Les Paul body. A maple cap (The originals were solid mahogany). The control plate was different, (same controls) with two output jacks mounted in the bout, eliminating the output switch. I don't think it would be possible to make your guitar out of one of these.......... Here is an example of the second variation...........

https://www.gbase.co...recording-1976-
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Posted 27 February 2018 - 12:57 PM

View PostGrog, on 27 February 2018 - 08:09 AM, said:

Your guitar doesn't look like a Recording model to me at all, I'm not sure what it really is................ As far as the "SECOND" stamped on the back of the headstock, that was common at the time. Sometimes there was no visible reason for the stamp. The second version of the Les Paul Recording was only slightly different than the original. A smaller (standard size) Les Paul body. A maple cap (The originals were solid mahogany). The control plate was different, (same controls) with two output jacks mounted in the bout, eliminating the output switch. I don't think it would be possible to make your guitar out of one of these.......... Here is an example of the second variation...........

https://www.gbase.co...recording-1976-


Thanks. One of the telltales of the Recording seems to be the angled pickups. Did they all have them?

The controls on mine are kind of mind boggling - on closer inspection there seem to be 7 holes, one for existing control and 6 more that have bern filled in.

Customer support seems to think it's a 1997 LP Custom - witg the neck placed on a different body, though they couldn't confirm it.

They also said "SECOND" meant it was a factory second - but I've yet to find any mention of Gibson stamping the word on it. - they always used the numeral 2 or the word CULL.

Reckon I just gotta strip more paint.

Thanks for the reply. :)
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Posted 27 February 2018 - 05:30 PM

Okay - so I finally found a picture showing the word "SECOND" on a factory second. Even though it'sabove the serial number not below it, i am ready to concede this is probsbly a second. ( i will, of course remove more finish just to be certain. )

I just needed to know because if its an LP Custom ( as customer support says ) then I have lots of options as to how to rebuild it.
If it were a second edition LP Recording - well those are so rare, I would want to be that much more meticulous in the rebuild.

Thanks for the responses in this and other threads. :)

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Posted 27 February 2018 - 06:48 PM

All of the Les Paul Recordings had the pickups at an angle and the end of the fret board was also angled. I have read where some guitars that didn't sell as quick as they would have liked were stamped "SECOND" just so they could sell them at a discount. Having a Les Paul Custom headstock but no binding on the body is also odd. Could the binding have been routed off & refinished?
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Posted 28 February 2018 - 03:32 AM

It could have been. ( routed off )
Johnny 6 String in my other thread said it looked like a Washburn Idol body, and that makes a lot of sense, after looking at pictures of those. And it could also explain the Washburn Wonderbar tremolo bridge. ( which I LOVE - it's baddassed good. :) ).

Thanks for responding - this forum/community is awesome. :)

Sorry for the double thread, but when I saw this one, I figured there was a better chance of drawing out some talent. :)

Here's my original thread with the pics, and a couple more great responses.You guys rock!!!

http://forum.gibson....30#entry1920330
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