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Explorer Lacquer Crack - how back is it

#1 User is offline   Fullmoon1971 

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Posted 27 December 2017 - 06:31 AM

Hi guys, First time poter but long time lurker now I need some advice. My missus picked me up a 2008 classic white explorer for xmas from a stores close out sale, unfortunatly while I was cleaning it yesterday I spotted a lacquer crack at the neck join, it only goes about 2/3rd's down one side and seems stable, I sent a picture of over to my tech and says it should fine just want some extra opinions.
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The thing that does have me confused it that in looks like the store replaced the nut as well, when tuning the Low E doesn't want to stay in tune - I know the nut is a c**p plastic one that the slots are poorly cut and am hoping its just binding in the nut, the other strings seem fine but the crack has me worried. Any advice would be fantastic

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Posted 28 December 2017 - 06:22 AM

is there a similar crack on the other side of the neck joint?

What is interesting here tho, is the place where a crack would be the most suspicious to being a problem would be if it was on the bottom of the joint. Where that still (from the photo) looks solid, it's very likely this would be just cosmetic. I kind of agree with your luthier. something to keep an eye on I guess, but it's probably nothing to sweat.

Regarding the nut, They're NEVER cut right it seems.. easily rectified with a setup. Does it help if you use any kind of lubricant in the not slots (like Big Bends Nut Sauce?)?

This post has been edited by kidblast: 28 December 2017 - 06:23 AM

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Posted 28 December 2017 - 08:10 AM

View Postkidblast, on 28 December 2017 - 06:22 AM, said:

is there a similar crack on the other side of the neck joint?

What is interesting here tho, is the place where a crack would be the most suspicious to being a problem would be if it was on the bottom of the joint. Where that still (from the photo) looks solid, it's very likely this would be just cosmetic. I kind of agree with your luthier. something to keep an eye on I guess, but it's probably nothing to sweat.

Regarding the nut, They're NEVER cut right it seems.. easily rectified with a setup. Does it help if you use any kind of lubricant in the not slots (like Big Bends Nut Sauce?)?



Thanks for the reply,

No thats the only sign of a crack, nothing along the bottom or the other side [biggrin]

I know most makers skrimp on the nut material but this one is really really cheap plastic even lubing it doesn't help. cant really open the slots up either as theres virtually no play above the first fret. I also think that the bridge has been swapped, when it arrived the intonation was all over the place and the bridge saddles look cheap (not a big problem as its going for a full setup in the new year, Graphtech saddle savers and nut)

Normally I wouldn't overly stress but with it being a gift I just like to make sure. I have a fairly large collection of guitars (112 and counting) and have never seen a stress fracture just on one side like this so was just checking.

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Posted 28 December 2017 - 02:44 PM

I know if this were my guitar, I would have a qualified Luthier (Hopefully a Gibson warranty station) do a full inspection on it.
If you didn't have the tuning stability issue I would be less concerned, but with the these two complaints together, this could be a neck joint issue.
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Posted 29 December 2017 - 07:13 AM

View PostFullmoon1971, on 28 December 2017 - 08:10 AM, said:

Thanks for the reply,

No thats the only sign of a crack, nothing along the bottom or the other side [biggrin]

I know most makers skrimp on the nut material but this one is really really cheap plastic even lubing it doesn't help. cant really open the slots up either as theres virtually no play above the first fret. I also think that the bridge has been swapped, when it arrived the intonation was all over the place and the bridge saddles look cheap (not a big problem as its going for a full setup in the new year, Graphtech saddle savers and nut)

Normally I wouldn't overly stress but with it being a gift I just like to make sure. I have a fairly large collection of guitars (112 and counting) and have never seen a stress fracture just on one side like this so was just checking.

Thanks again

If your interested in seeing my modest collection click on the link below

https://www.flickr.c...157632741036277



that is quite the collection! some impressive stuff!

With a used axe, it sure is hard to really know what happened, that could be a result of mishap, (impact damage) that it is one only one side like that is peculiar to me, but who knows?


regarding the nut problems.. I'd probably just go for a new nut and hopefully solve some of these problems. good luck.. let us know how it turns out.
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Posted 17 January 2018 - 06:31 AM

I see that hairline crack a lot on glued neck guitars. I'm not sure why manufacturers forget that the neck will flex in that area and just paint over it like it'll never move.
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