BluesKing777
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Update:
I know, I know, I said I would never, ever, ever, ever sign to Disney Plus.......
I had a look around to get the Bluray of the (2021) Get Back documentary (Peter Jackson) and came up with ....zip.
Better Half said she would sign up and we could watch ....but she took too long and....
I have signed! Disney Plus.
But we have both been engrossed watching the documentary - watched about 1 episode a night for 3 nights.......
Glad now, that is fabulous! And Dig a Pony is still going around my head.......
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That is great!
I watched both through my TV with my feet up last night, very clever....
I then watched the official trailers for Peter Jackson’s Get Back, also fantastic but a quick scramble around Google tells me I have to sign to Disney Channel to watch it all!
What? Is that John getting the last laugh? 😶
Currently begging the Better Half to sign up in her name.....don’t want mine on the thing.
And I guess it means my Beatles Complete music and TAB bible is........incomplete?
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Well, they WON'T want to reissue my 1972 Tele Custom!
(Why oh why did I polish it every hour on the hour all these years? And 3 times after a gig? It would be worth more if I left it in the shed) 😁
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The overall theory is simple really - sell a new guitar reissue of a old famous model and recreate the old look for people who want it NOW and don't want to bother with broken ole things....😬
Originally started by Fender repair department to match old guitar parts after repairs, then when the vintage Fender prices went to the stratosphere, famous touring musos wanted exact replicas of their famous guitar to take on the road, saving the old guitar for...??? the glass case. Then, Fender Custom Shop started offering relic model Fenders - new guitars that looked like an old model. And everyone laughed. Then Gibson Electrics....exact replicas of '59 Les Pauls! Etc....
But mostly, they offer guitars now that are the 'light aged'.
Would Gibson Acoustic be brave enough to release a replica of something like my 1937 gibson L-0? Unlikely! 😁:
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As people on various forums have pointed out when ‘aged’ or ‘relic’ acoustic guitars are announced - how will we know if THAT ding or THAT gouge is supposed to be there? Was that in the plan or a booboo that can pass as ‘aged’ now?
Where an expected ‘perfect’ finish is pretty easy to show flaws.........it wasn’t all that long ago that I picked up some great acoustic guitars leaning in the dark part of the shop for unloved guitars because they had.....gasp....pick scratches and buckle marks!
What a silly world, eh? How will we know what to look for when the relic guitar is 10 years old?
(I would still get that L-00 Aged if it played/sounded good/was built correct! Save worrying over the first ding!)
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16 minutes ago, gibsonchiq said:
I did. It's in this thread further up. There's a link
Yes, I saw that one, but wasn't entirely sure what we are looking at!
Maybe stand back a bit and photo both guitars?
Here is my J50 with bad finish checking, sometimes caused by rapid change of temp ( cold car to warm house?) - previous owner did it - not Mr Perfect!☺️
Do you think your checking should be straight like this? Is that what you mean?
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5 hours ago, gibsonchiq said:
you can see the same spider webby, paint run looking thing here on a real one
That fellow could talk underwater!
How about getting a couple of good close up photos of your 2 guitars and show us exactly what you mean....?
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7 hours ago, GabrielLDN said:
There's actually a used Waterloo WL-14L available for roughly the same price as the LG1. Only the V neck stopped me from purchasing as I've always played C profile. 1&3/4 is my preference though. How big is the V and do you favour the Waterloo over your LG1?
Waterloo ladder fan number one here, so......
Big chunky V.
I like all the varieties of the small body 00/000/OM/L-00 guitars, including my rather junky old 52 LG1. So, as they say, you need to try them - go for the big long drive and try the Gibson L-00, the LG1s, a Waterloo....etc
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1952 Gibson LG1 fresh back from repairs a few months back:
Waterloo WL-14X left, Waterloo WL-14L right (back when they were new):
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19 hours ago, GabrielLDN said:
I hadn't considered a J45 as I would prefer a small body being primarily a fingerstyle player. No chance to play the LG1 as it's around a 4 hour drive from me. This is why I'm in two minds. I did play a 1948 LG1 a few months ago which I really liked but there's nothing to say the tone of the 1952 will match .
Having said that, for fingerstyle blues I think the ladder braced sound works well.
I do prefer 1&3/4 nut width which the modern L-00 reissues all have but they also seem to all have V necks and I prefer a C profile.
I guess the search for my first Gibson acoustic goes on.
I recently got my 1952 LG1 back from my luthier.......the ladder brace sound is the reason I have it........not many modern guitars have that tone! Get the LG1 to try it - you don’t have to marry it! The nut is 1 11/16” but the neck is fairly chunky 50s Gibson -I often capo up to 3 for more ‘spread’. Slide sounds great!
For more ladder braced real estate, consider the wonderful Waterloo WL-14L (ladder braced, 1 3/4” nut, 2 3/4” bridge spacing, V neck, great build and playability from Collings).
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Elixir PB 12 on all mine! Including my LG3, JT!
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What about someone inventing a finish that repels dirt, grime, fingerprints! 😃 ?
And the same for my car - I am fairly sure my car paint attracts dirt! Drive off in the ran and it gets clean? Not dirtier!
And if that won’t work, what about a finish that you wipe over once with a t-shirt? For guitar AND car!
I went through the ‘thin finish’ with lots of others around 10 years ago, but I recently decided I like a big, glooopy, fat gloss! It looks good when it is 20 or so years old. - what will the VOS and Murph Lab stuff look like at 30? Need a new coat or 2?
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Leaning Saddle Of Pizza?
Saddle too thin, slot wrong, both made on Friday afternoon or Monday morning....
How could the guitar ever be intonated the way it was designed to be with a thick, straight, high density piece of leg bone as the prototype?
I have had my pawn shop find 2002 J50 re-saddled, re-nutted, setup......high density bone parts, great setup and the guitar is a dream after pro work replaced amateur awful.
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6 hours ago, gibsonchiq said:
6mm l-00
5.5mm lg-2
Thanks for measuring those bridges - I assume you mean cm instead of mm....
So, the new L-00 Murph is 60 mm bridge spacing and the LG2 Historic Banner is 55mm...
That L-00 is getting close to the string spread of the famous early Gibson L-00s - Hooray for Gibson Acoustic at last! ( A whisker less than my Waterloo WL-14s!).
My older 2007 Blues King L-00 is around 55mm, like your LG2....like most modern day Gibson acoustics.
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On 10/21/2023 at 11:33 AM, gibsonchiq said:
Yup, so i paid something like 17k on the credit card, and when i returned the 2 of them they refunded my 11k or so .
with respect to the saddle, i think it is an issue with the bridge. Because my banner 1942 reissue had it from the factory and when my luthier fitted and cut a new saddle for it to try to fix it, it still occurred. something about the slot in the bridge must be off.
When you have a minute, could you get out your measuring tape/ruler and measure the bridge pin spacing (officially measured from the middle of the thick E to the middle of the thin E string).......I am mainly interested in the new L-00 but curious of the LG2......so do both!
I am hoping, personally that Gibson made the spacing like the early 30s L-00 models with a very generous for fingerpicking 2 3/8” but I guess the LG2 would be standard modern Gibson 2 3/16”.
So far they are all a big secret. Not on the specs.
Thanks in advance!
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The saddle issue is not a new thing - my 2002 Gibson J50 had a Leaning Tower style saddle - my luthier made a nice new fat bone saddle, slotted it in and that's all, she wrote. (New bone nut as well and setup, urgent!). Don't forget to get a nice setup on your new guitars, everyone...maybe leave it for a week or two before getting it done.
Well, here below is a nice new video about the Gibson Acoustic Murphy Lab series - after watching it on my TV, I tell you, a person who won some Lotto or a rich person could easily think: "Hmmm, I think I will buy the whole set!" (Video has no mention of leaning saddles or loose tuners!😝)
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32 minutes ago, gibsonchiq said:
There was a store that had 3. I paid for all three with my credit card.
The v shape neck is very pronounced. Super hard V. It plays great. The one I got is 3 lbs 7 ounces so very light
So with your card, you initially pay for all 3 L-00s and get credited for the returned?
Speaking of the returned ones, you probably should have ripped the wobbly bridges off and tell the shop they fell off.........because my bet is on them sending to some other DORK next ...AS IS.
May be wrong and they could be returned to Gibson Montana as faulty, but I have a lack of faith........could have been worth $20 each for a couple of Apple Airtags slipped into the guitars with a bit of gaffa tape! Track their progress!
Just a crying shame they are still letting duds fo out....thought they may have fixed that with the new factory.
I know they would not all be like it, but my Waterloos (L-00 shaped by Collings) are perfect in all quality respects and still cooking after 5 or 6 years....and I could almost/maybe/probably not buy one...gulp.....online. Collings also make a delightful version of the L-00 with their Collings C10-35......the one I played in a shop was stunningly perfect. But the Waterloos have a much drier old 30s sound, great for roots music....and the C10-35 (sounds like a camera!) was a more ‘pretty’ but versatile kind of thing.......and pretty expensive.
Previously, I would have recommended my Martin CEO7, another ode to the L-00 but more ....ha...Martin sounding......except my beautiful fave CEO7 has suffered from the famous Martin binding falling off issue.......pffft.
So no getting around it (for me).....I would buy a real vintage 1933 Gibson L-00 and get my luthier to fix anything needed. They have the SOUND! And drama free once set up. And cool!
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7 hours ago, gibsonchiq said:
I ended up ordering 3 of them and kept the best one. The variation between the 3 are crazy. One was super bassy, almost sounded like it had dead strings on from the factory. One was balanced but a bit muted and didn't responate as much. The one I kept was the one I thought sounded the best and resonates the most. But this one had tuners that didn't work well (the pegs spin freely before catching the gear) and we're installed not well. The one I kept had a saddle that sat flush in they bridge. The other two had crooked saddles.
Maybe Gibson is doing this on purpose because the vintage guitars are all crazy like this as well lol. Personally I thought all the guitars would be perfect but just sound slightly different
I'm not a fan of the light ageing but wanted a custom shop l-00 and didn't like the rosewood one
Interesting but not unheard of approach - buy 3 and keep the best one!
Do you have to pay up front for all 3 or just the one ONE? I assume they were purchased online from 3 different shops as the shops I have viewed online only have one new L-00 each?
I semi happily buy anything BUT guitars online these days but I really should employ the buy 3 keep 1 approach to.......everything! QC for guitars bad enough but other stuff like clothes, shoes....well, let us say the sellers are doing their own thing!
Truth be told, any guitar I have bought has been the ONLY one the shop had, real shop or online.
Anyway, thanks for the update and I have lost interest in bad QC guitars- can’t believe the wobbly ones still go out the door.
P.S. nearly forgot - what is the L-00 Murph like to play?
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6 hours ago, cayine said:
Hello all. so maybe can help me. Maybe somebody can recommend me good acoustic guitar? What means good?
I don't know, I have cheap guitar that bought 10 years ago, and it was maybe 60$ bucks value.
So budget not very important, but important guitar size, strings quality, maybe I can do, or some music workshops can changes something for better playing and learning on guitar, and etc.
what would good start for learning on guitar. Any information, or really helpfull guides would be nice. If you need more accurate budget, sites, maybe I can buy something from 2nd hand just ask me.
I wanna acoustic guitar with steel strings, maybe in future i'm gonna buy one with nylon(I like warm and cosy sound). Wanna electro acoustic, but would be better it have better quality in acoustic mode,
than pluged. Shape - cut off, or not cut off, I somewhere read, cutoff is better when you wanna reach higher frets, and it's give a bit bass for sound. Don't know what shape would be good for beginner.
Here is a video on a couple of acoustics from Acoustic Letter - they rave about these two budget models on various forums - I have never seen or heard any of them in the flesh, but I played a new Yamaha FS5 (2nd video below), way, way more expensive but also heavily raved about everywhere, at a local shop and it was just beautiful....concert size, torrefied top, based on the famous 60s models we are told....though I personally prefer wider necks and spacing for my fingerstyle playing........but it would be an inspiring guitar to begin on. (or you can ignore us all and go and buy the most expensive acoustic in the local guitar shop! Get the Gibson with all the inlays! 😛)
These 2, you could be like the learner driver in the BMW!
And my preference in guitar shape old and new!
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17 hours ago, gibsonchiq said:
I ordered the l-00. Was only able to play it for like a minute before heading to a show but it didn't seem like it had the mid range Gibson dry wood tone to my ears. My 42 reissue has more of it I think. But I have to get home to play it more
We await an update on the L-00 after you play it a while!
Like I mentioned earlier somewhere, the new Gibson acoustics are scalloped braced whereas my old Gibsons AND Waterloo WL-14X are NON scalloped (my other Waterloo is ladder braced like an old Kalamazoo KG-14). So the new Gibson is not really an exact reissue. Same goes for your new LG2.
The Waterloos both capture that dry old mid range small body vintage Gibson. Sometimes the ladder braced sounds older than the real ones! It is a rare thing.....why though, I do not know. Design? Build? Bracing? Both Waterloos have ebony nuts, ebony bridge pins, ebony bridge but rosewood fretboard, flatback construction, wide spacing, very very light.....I’m about to play my ladder right now!
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2 hours ago, Larsongs said:
Whatever level of Player he was, he single handedly made the Guitar the most desirable Instrument to own & play in history! No Elvis, No Beatles & ten million other Bands!
True!
But he wanted that rifle for his birthday, not the guitar Ma bought him! Could have turned out way different....I can imagine him saying: 'Shucks, Ma, but I don't want no geetar - I want that rifle....or that bike!'
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25 minutes ago, gibsonchiq said:
How often do these come back in stock?
The one I wanted from my go to retailer was sold
Still have the one at Sweetwater....
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Some interesting articles:
https://www.elvis.com.au/presley/elvis-presley-the-musician.shtml
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40 minutes ago, santacruz3600 said:
I didn’t notice fretboard rolling in my L-00 murphy, edges are very sharp. I do think they do it on heavy relic 58-60 electric’s.
So you also have the new L-00 Murphy Lab as well as your L-00 Legend?
Fantastic stuff, please report and compare!
And please measure the bridge spacing (on both guitars) !!! Compare necks!
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10 hours ago, zombywoof said:
Amen Brother. The comfiest Gibson I play has a just under 1 7/8" nut, a V carve neck clocking in at a depth of 1.05" at the 1st fret, and in this case a 2 5/16" string spacing at the bridge. Thinking back on it though had I wanted a stand in for the L1, I might very well have opted for a Waterloo. I recall though when those first Waterloos came out, it took me maybe a year before I could get my hands on even one as every guitar Mass Street Music (which was 20 minutes down the road) got in was sold before it ever hit the shelves.
We never know anything! One of my justifications for a Waterloo when they first came out was that they were way more L-00 than the new Gibson ones and......ha ha, wrong.....easier to get than the vintage ones! Boing. Bong. Boing......A quick look on Reverb.com and it appears a used Waterloo is around double the new price I paid back when.... and they are not making many new ones.
On another track - watching the Murphy Labs video, Murphy mentions he ‘rolls’ the neck edges like years of hand wear does. Who knew that acoustics were so sharp edged and uncomfortable, eh? But I have 2 examples - one is my Cargill custom 00 where he rolled all edges to give a fab ‘old leather glove’ feel (the neck and specs were based on my Martin OM18V, but more ‘rounded out’ by hand.)
My other example is my Taylor 717e Builders Edition - every sharp thing is rounded off ‘for comfort’ - that was the claim.
P.S. Still trying to find the bridge spacing on the Murph Labs L-00.......
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Here ia a video tutorial I saw if you want to learn 'Now And Then'...
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