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Agreed on all counts.
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I've owned many a Gibson and can opine that, considering every last variable related to guitars and amplification,
the 'unplugged thing' means precisely d*ck.
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Well this is the thing..
I agree that often a guitar that rings unplugged will sound good plugged in.. But no one ever said that if it doesnt do that, that it means the guitar is total crap and worth less because of it.. No one has said that, its just an assumption people make based on a couple of lines in a couple of interviews..
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***WHETHER OR NOT YOU CARE WHAT A GUITAR SOUNDS LIKE UN-PLUGGED DOESN'T HAVE TO MATTER**** BUT, it might be a POS, is what I am getting at.For instance: the $585 SG Special I bought, KICKED A$ PLUGGED-IN..... BUT it was POS !!! but with the current price increase's @ GIBSON USA......it was a .
I understand the theory behind it.. Gary Moore said the same..
But what I dont get is why something is a POS if it doesnt sound good unplugged but plugged in..? What is it that made the SG a POS? If the ONLY reason is that it didnt sound good unplugged but everything else was ok then thats just silly.. I dont care if EVH or Gilmour say so, they would make any guitar sound good no matter what. If you plug a guitar in and it sounds and feels good, thats all that matters (most experienced players will tell you most of the sound comes from the player, not the guitar)
And thats not going to help you play or sound any better..
I have built about 20 guitars from scratch, while im not a good player I can probably tell you way more about guitar construction than either of those players you mentioned.
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The two 'Special' guitars I sold, the guys that bought them think they got really good deals on GIBSON Guitars, AND THEY DID get two guitars that sound BAD-A$$ PLUGGED IN....but they sound horrid UN-plugged and they are really just POS....... and I bet this 2019 'SG' Special just might be as well...the ear-markings are there and GIBSON USA........
That makes no sense.
While there does seem to be a good rule that if a guitar sounds good unplugged it will sound good plugged in and is a good way to feel the vibe of a guitar its not 100% proof..
If you play a guitar plugged in and it sounds great, why would you even care what it sounds like unplugged cos no one can hear it anyway..??
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Fine by me.
We have very different likes and dislikes and different ideas of what constitutes 'good value'. No biggie.
Pip.
Wheres Charlie Brown? We need the horn taper police for this one :)
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Chicken Masman curry... Again :) But its just so good.
And so easy to make
This paste is from Thailand. A friend of mine married a Thai woman and its what she uses...
Just onion, red chilli (birds eye), coconut milk, some spuds and what ever meat you want to use
YUM!!
Ohh and for dessert. A chocolate éclair with Cornish cream custard :D
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Haddock, peas and obviously more of those incredible rosties :) I could eat them every day.
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Cod, peas and more importantly more of those amazing spuds :)
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Those spuds look sensational!
They were.. Even though I actually ate them, looking at the picture makes me want to eat them all over again (its literally making my mouth water)... So good. Id eat them every day if they wernt so bad for you :)
I think it also comes down to choosing the right potato.. Those ones are maris pipers...
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Scored with fork, parboiled then roast in olive oil m'lud?
I believe that is the Michael Caine way...not a lot of people etc etc.
Yes sir.. Of course :)
But a better trick is too just shake them up a bit in what ever you use to drain the water that does a good job of roughing them up.
Also one of the tricks is to pre heat the roasting pan with oil.. When you then put the potatoes in you get a nice sizzle and you should pour the oil over the tops of the potatoes.. 200C for an hour or so (or when they look good)... They were almost like very large chips.. YUM :)
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Steak again this week as the last one was so good.. and some green things... Ive been working on my roast potatoes, these were divine :)
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I hadn't seen that comparison set before, Rabs, and found it very interesting indeed.
I've only listened to the clip on my crappy PC's speakers but my initial impressions were firstly how much more focused / less wide ranging was the sound of the 2010 Standard compared with the other guitars; secondly how different the Classic sounded in comparison to the rest.
I really MUST listen to them all several times through 'phones and take notes as I go along.
Thanks for posting!
Pip.
Yeah it is interesting.. And im not saying in any way by my lackadaisical statements that there are no differences between them, rather that to me while I do hear some differences, they all sound like what I think a Les Paul should sound like :)
Mostly I think its down to the pickups.. They are all stock so two different sets of P90s, the ceramic twins and the 2010 Standard has Burstbucker Pros which have alnico V magnets in them.. And since we are at it has what they call an Enlarged Neck Tenon ( http://www.gibson.com/Products/Electric-Guitars/Les-Paul/Gibson-USA/2008-Les-Paul-Standard/Features.aspx ).. Its why I love them all, they each bring something just slightly different yet are all Les Paul enough to keep me happy.
Ohh and by the way, if anyone notices my inconsistency of calling my Standard a 2008 or 2010.. Theres a good reason for that.. If you remember (and you probably will) a 2010 Standard was one of their robot guitars... What I actually have is a 2008 Standard spec'd guitar made in 2010.. What I was told was that these had been on a back order or something and Gibson were still making them in 2010 which I know as I have one :) So when I made that video I was calling it a 2008.. Now to avoid confusion in my head of when it was made I call it a 2010 Standard. So there :)
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I was just reading about what the enlarged neck tenon is. Interesting
New Enlarged Neck Tenon
The 2008 Les Paul Standard sports a revolutionary enlarged neck tenon designed by Gibson’s team of pioneering engineers. The expanded neck tenon features an innovative interlocking joint that allows the neck to be dropped into the body from the guitar’s top side, as opposed to sliding the neck in from the rim. When the glue is added, a solid unyielding bond is created that maximizes the wood to wood contact between the neck and the body, offering increased stability and superb transfer of vibration for enhanced tone, improved sustain, and superior resonance. It is also the largest neck tenon in the history of the Les Paul. :o
Which would look something like this
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The Chambered guitars seem to be an exception to the 'They All Sound The Same' statement. The general consensus posted by those who have examples of both always seems to be that they are found to be slightly brighter and with a snappier response but with marginally less 'meat' to their tone, all else being equal, than either the solid-bodied or weight-relieved Lesters.
Pip.
Yes... I have two chambered guitars.. One is the 2010 Standard which comes it at just over 9lbs and to me is THE perfect weight it still feels substantial but not heavy. The 60s tribute comes in at more like 7.4lbs but then I do think they are a bit thinner than a Standard..
Both however sound amazing and I actually like the light weight of the tribute.. I think the dark p90s on the tribute help the sound though, I have a feeling if it had hummers it would be overly bright.
I made this vid a while back as I was interested to see if I could hear much difference between the guitars.. I did this recording straight in to my digital 4 track here too so theres no amp, just all guitar.
To my ears the most noticeable difference is the bridge pickup on the Classic that's clearly louder than the others (which isn't really surprising with the ceramic pickups). Apart from that they mostly just sound like Gibsons :D
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Nice to see someone who puts a much higher priority on function than looks. Far as I'm concerned, I see waaaaay too much forum bandwidth taken up by cosmetics. "Pickguard on or off?", "Does it make me look fat?" ad nauseam.
If you are saying that most of what we talk about on here is mostly pointless and nothing but subjective opinion.. Id agree :) But its just a bit of fun.
Just don't ever mention nibs :D
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That's a sweet sweet ax Rabs! I very well may end up getting a 2018 gold top model. I was waiting to see if Gibson would offer more finishes for the 2019 model, and they did. I LOVE the iced tea burst finish and would've happily gotten that one. However removing the trapezoids and swiss cheesing it are deal-breakers for me, flat out. I'll probably wait another year, see what Gibson does for 2020, and then decide. If they stick with the current design for 2020 I will locate a 2018 model and buy that one instead.
If you want a solid body one with traps I wouldn't wait unless you don't mind a second hand one.. Once people realise that the 2018s are better value compared to the 2019s they wont last long.
Also when I bought mine 2011 I think, I liked most of the colours and didn't know which to go for, I think they had Iced T and Honey Burst, Cherry Burst, Dark Burst Ebony, White and a Goldtop.. So I just went and played like ten of them.. I didn't want a Goldtop at that point cos the idea of playing a gold guitar seemed a bit more fancy than my usual taste.. But it was the last one I played and the second I did I knew it had to be mine. I now obviously love Goldtops :)
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I'm not talking about ES guitars I'm talking about Les Pauls. The trapezoid is one of the trademarks of the Les Paul design. The only exception should be the block inlay on the Custom Deluxe.
Well there does seem to still be plenty of 2018s about so get one in case they decide never to go back... I didn't realise that the 2018s wernt weight relieved.. But as I said, I have a chambered one with p90s and I love that guitar... Im not really sure it makes much difference.
This is my guitar. There are many like it but this one is mine. My guitar is my best friend. It is my life. I must master it as I must master my life. Without me, my guitar is useless. Without my guitar I am useless. I must play my guitar true.
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Yeah im not so keen on the dots either.. I love my 60s Tribute which is actually chambered (about 7lbs or so) but is such a fun guitar to play because of that.
Also don't like that they are doing the new ones with a maple neck.. I don't like the inconsistency of the colour and grain between body and neck.
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I think we are saying "good for the environment". The sustainability thing is about friendly things for the planet.
As far as a finishing product; it is easy to touch up, relatively easy to apply, looks and polishes nice, provides some level of protection for the instrument and it's traditional. However, if you were to buy a can, remove the lid and set it on your bed stand for a month....
Yes that's part of it, the environmental thing.. But also its not particularly nice to work with, toxic as it comes.. And while it make look nice to us guitar nerds, it doesn't actually age particularly well and is not the most durable..
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I couldn't agree more! I'm not sure that the polys and varnishes, of today, are much better.
While we're at it ban granite countertops. Have you seen what they are doing to the mountains of North and South Carolina (and countless other places) to get granite? If you think it's hard to grow a rosewood or mahogany tree, try re-growing a mountain!
I would go for a nice wet sanded oil finish... You can get a really nice look with that technique.... Nitro though, such a finiky finish in the first place.. I understand people like the aging thing but that doesn't make it a good finish... I also understand that its a Gibson thing to have Nitro and traditional but I think its one they should break with now we know better.
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I can't believe you don't have fanboys at your house with torches and pitchforks.
They are probably on the flight over here.. I will expect loud banging on my door any minute ;)
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I know its probably blasphemy around here but I really think Gibson should stop using Nitro full stop... Its nasty horrible stuff....
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If you can handle the headstock :)
The Limited Edition Peter Frampton Les Paul Custom Pro (pictured above) is limited to only 200 guitars worldwide and includes a hand-signed Certificate of Authenticity and a premium hard case. A guitar-only version of the Ltd. Ed. Peter Frampton Les Paul Custom Pro is also available with the same specifications and is limited to 900 guitars worldwide.
Both Les Pauls feature ProBucker and CeramicPRO Open-Coil humbuckers, an Ebony fretboard and gold Grover Rotomatic machine heads. The Les Pauls are based on Frampton’s legendary 1954 Les Paul—now known as the “Phenix”—that helped power his rise to fame in the Seventies before it was presumed lost in a plane crash in Venezuela in 1980 and then rediscovered in 2012.
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Fried steak and roasted spuds.. Always good and a rare treat.. I just try to watch my intake of beef these days (a bit :) ).
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Yet again... Home made Thai Beef Yellow curry YUM...
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2019 SG Special
in Gibson USA
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There is one other thing about all of this.. So far since the announcement of the change of management its this guitar and The Paul that have been released.
Im not sure if they were always planned or if this is the first sign of change from the new guy, but if it is him, so far I approve.
(Not that anyone needs my approval for anything :) )