jaxson50 Posted June 5, 2013 Share Posted June 5, 2013 http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=2IDvFRqo04g&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D2IDvFRqo04g http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=W5dVYGdoO_Y&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DW5dVYGdoO_Y Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocketman Posted June 5, 2013 Share Posted June 5, 2013 I think it sounds great. It's a very versatile guitar. But then again he could play a bamboo stick with one string on it and still make it sound great. He was the Mozart of jazz guitar. There will never be another like him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaxson50 Posted June 5, 2013 Author Share Posted June 5, 2013 The second vid was written by him while under going treatment for heroin addiction at Synanon, both were filmed about a year after he was released, things were different in those days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milod Posted June 6, 2013 Share Posted June 6, 2013 Yeah, Pass could play anything he wanted to, I think regardless. Two points: Talent; practice. I also find it interesting how he made variations of technique as an accompanist vs as a solo artist. I think it especially interesting since so many jazz pickers were pretty much "lead" players in a band which left them most of the time "accompanying" in terms of style. That latter tends to be pretty much what a lotta very talented pickers do. It's also one reason I found some of Clapton's acoustic material interesting because it was accompaniment and true "solo guitar" playing - and he can do the rock/blues lead as well. Pretty much ditto Knopfler and in an entirely different genre, the late Doc Watson. With Pass... my understanding is that he hadda borrow guitars during the drug treatment phase... The later penchant for the 175 may be, IMHO, more a matter of the actual feel for the instrument - IMHO he doesn't hold it like most pickers - than "gee I gotta get a specific tone" perspective. m Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaxson50 Posted June 7, 2013 Author Share Posted June 7, 2013 Joe's resume is pretty good. Frank Sinatra, Sara Vaughan, Joe Williams, Della Reese, Johnny Mathis, Joe Shearing, Les McCann, The Tonight Show with Johnny Carson, and Steve Allen show, his famous duettes with Herb Ellis at Donte's Jazz Club in L.A. The Trio (Joe, Oscar Peterson and Niels-Henning Orsted Pedersen) won the Grammy for best jazz preformance by a group in 1974. Some of the artist he recorded with include Benny Carter, Milt Jackson,Herb Ellis, Zoot Sims, Duke Ellington, Dizzy Gillespie, Count Basie and of course Ella. I think what made him stand out was his use of bass lines with his use of chord inversions and chord melodies. But few people know that he also recorded an entire album playing the 12 string guitar! Thank God he decided to let that go by the way.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFSJsAnzLWc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zigzag Posted June 7, 2013 Share Posted June 7, 2013 Just goes to show: It ain't the guitar... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zigzag Posted June 7, 2013 Share Posted June 7, 2013 Double post. Sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milod Posted June 7, 2013 Share Posted June 7, 2013 Jax... I didn't know about the 12-string recording. I knew he did a bit of work at the edge of what some might have considered his "genre." But what kinda bothers me is that unlike Chet, he didn't step truly outside and yet I've a hunch he could have, without working at it, played anything possible on guitar as well or better than most specialists. In a sense, I think he and such as Segovia and Montoya get pigeonholed as specialists of little or no interest to the "rocker" or "country picker." I think that's a serious error... I learn something every time I watch a vid of any of them, and far more than by watching most "name" players. m Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaxson50 Posted June 8, 2013 Author Share Posted June 8, 2013 Milod, We could say the same thing about many artist who stay true to one form of music. Like say western poets? But then, if I were being accused pigeonholeing myself and then compared to Segovia, I would not make me feel like much of a failure..OTOH....<grin>.... Neither of us will ever be in the same caliber as Chet, or Joe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cjsinla Posted June 8, 2013 Share Posted June 8, 2013 The second vid was written by him while under going treatment for heroin addiction at Synanon, both were filmed about a year after he was released, things were different in those days. That first clip might have even been filmed in Synanon. I think that big "S" on the bass drum was their logo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milod Posted June 8, 2013 Share Posted June 8, 2013 Jax... Yeah... While I'm literally in awe of Pass' talent and skills, I guess in ways I ended up realizing in my 50s that the super-talent I'm most like in patterns of genre is Chet. When I was a kid picker into teens and early 30s especially, I was thinking more in terms of meeting the next gig, whatever genre it might be. That meant first a lot of "folkie" stuff, then a lotta "rock" of the era (although while in a rock band I was asked to do some flamenco as they set up for a musicians union dinner), then into country and some "old time" on the side with old fiddlers... some cowboy stuff... Then as I got hit with a job that took me far away from my guitars most of the time, I think it brought reflection of what I wanted out of guitar playing. Turns out, I wanna play stuff I like or, if paid money, stuff others like that I don't dislike playing. Hmmmmm. So... I figure along those lines I'm kinda a Chet with 10 percent of the talent but who simply loves pickin' music that trips my trigger regardless what it's called. I do think that's easier for a "fingerpicker" to do, though. Which is why I wonder sometimes if Segovia ever picked some swing or light jazz just for the heck of it, or if and how much Joe played some classical material using his own variant of technical style, or... <grin> m Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaxson50 Posted June 8, 2013 Author Share Posted June 8, 2013 1370713052[/url]' post='1385378']Jax... Yeah... While I'm literally in awe of Pass' talent and skills, I guess in ways I ended up realizing in my 50s that the super-talent I'm most like in patterns of genre is Chet. When I was a kid picker into teens and early 30s especially, I was thinking more in terms of meeting the next gig, whatever genre it might be. That meant first a lot of "folkie" stuff, then a lotta "rock" of the era (although while in a rock band I was asked to do some flamenco as they set up for a musicians union dinner), then into country and some "old time" on the side with old fiddlers... some cowboy stuff... Then as I got hit with a job that took me far away from my guitars most of the time, I think it brought reflection of what I wanted out of guitar playing. Turns out, I wanna play stuff I like or, if paid money, stuff others like that I don't dislike playing. Hmmmmm. So... I figure along those lines I'm kinda a Chet with 10 percent of the talent but who simply loves pickin' music that trips my trigger regardless what it's called. I do think that's easier for a "fingerpicker" to do, though. Which is why I wonder sometimes if Segovia ever picked some swing or light jazz just for the heck of it, or if and how much Joe played some classical material using his own variant of technical style, or... <grin> m I would imagine the folks were are talking about could do anything they wanted to, Chet played more forms of music, but his job as a music producer with RCA and one if its top talent scouts allowed him that opportunity. He was a decent fiddle player too. His influence in early rockabilly music lead to him being the influence for many rockers and still does, if they have any common sense at all that is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milod Posted June 8, 2013 Share Posted June 8, 2013 Yeah, and I gave up on fiddle, myself. Every time I went to play "Bile them Cabbage Down," or "Black Velvet," the cat'd vomit on the carpet. Darn! I learned I need frets, 'cuz the songs I did on mandolin didn't exactly translate into fiddle without that assault on feline ears... <grin> m Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaxson50 Posted June 9, 2013 Author Share Posted June 9, 2013 1370726501[/url]' post='1385454']Yeah, and I gave up on fiddle, myself. Every time I went to play "Bile them Cabbage Down," or "Black Velvet," the cat'd vomit on the carpet. Darn! I learned I need frets, 'cuz the songs I did on mandolin didn't exactly translate into fiddle without that assault on feline ears... <grin> m When it comes to fiddle, I can make noises that sound like cat torture...and I love to sing...sometimes I go to bars, and after a few drinks I start singing, I love it....I get a lot of request from the other people in the bar too......but I keep singing anyways... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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