bradsure Posted March 29, 2009 Share Posted March 29, 2009 I recently purchased a CS SG Reissue. The serial# seach of Gibson's CS site states it a 'Reissue'. I assumed it to be a 61'. Some others have suggested it's a 62'. What does the neck joint suggest? Did the Custom Shop make a 61' reissue? or a 62? or was their 'Reissue' just s combination of a bunch of years and they just called it a 'Reissue'? CS neck 61' RI neck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Plains Posted March 29, 2009 Share Posted March 29, 2009 What's the format of your serial number? That should tell you what guitar it is. I have the '62Ri and the serial number is six digits. Although I don't have a '61RI, the serial number should be eight or nine digits, I believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeoConMan Posted March 29, 2009 Share Posted March 29, 2009 I dunno what the 62 is exactly, Tim can tell you, but the neck joint is at the 22nd fret on a 61. It's at the 19th (?) on later SG's. Tim, you are correct on the serial number. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradsure Posted March 29, 2009 Author Share Posted March 29, 2009 I've got the info of what you are talking about, I believe. I notice it says if it ends in 1, it's a SG Special or SG Custom and if it ends in 2, it's a Standard. It doesn't say it's a 61' Custom and Special or a 62' Standard. I think people might assume since the serial #s ending in 3,4,5 and 8 are for a 63,64,65 and 68, that the 2 is for 62' SG. Gibson says only that it is a SG Standard reissue. I haven't found anyway that says if it ends in a 2 then it is a 62' Standard RI. It's just that I see these listed as 61's and 62's on ads. So it looks like CS only made a 62' SG Standard RI? Gibson Custom 1952-1960 Les Paul, Explorer, Flying V, and Futura reissues (since late 1992): M YRRR or MYRRRR M is the model year being reissued Y is the production year RRR® indicates the guitar's place production for that year. NOTE: This number includes all models for a particular reissue year - so, for example, a 1958 Reissue serial number may include '58 Reissue LP Standard and '58 Explorer production. Example: 7 5123 is the 123rd 1957 reissue model produced in 2005. 1961-1969 Firebird, Les Paul, and SG reissues (since 1997): YYRRRM Y is the production year RRR® indicates the guitar's place in production for that year. M is the model being reissued Reissue model codes: 1= SG Custom and Special 2= SG Standard 3= 1963 Firebird 1 4= 1964 Firebird III 5= 1965 Firebird V & VII 8= 1968 Les Paul Custom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Plains Posted March 29, 2009 Share Posted March 29, 2009 '61 RI - http://www2.gibson.com/Products/Electric-Guitars/SG/Gibson-USA/SG-61-Reissue.aspx '62 RI - http://www2.gibson.com/Products/Electric-Guitars/SG/Gibson-Custom/SG-Standard-Reissue-with-Maestro-VOS.aspx The '62RI is the Custom Shop SG Standard historic reissue, with or without a Maestro. The neck joint on my '62RI is the same as in the first pic. It's actually the same as the '61RI but with some added protection. Since I'm a nice guy... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murph Posted March 29, 2009 Share Posted March 29, 2009 Man Tim.... You are a nice guy. Murph. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradsure Posted March 29, 2009 Author Share Posted March 29, 2009 Thanks Tim. So CS SGs are 62'. Gibson non CS reissues are 61'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hbomb76 Posted March 29, 2009 Share Posted March 29, 2009 The Custom Shop "62" (unrelated to the '86-'91 "SG-62" USA model) was simply a Grover-equipped limited-run variant of the Historic SG Standard, which hasn't ever really technically carried a "number" of what year it's supposed to be; '62 just happens to be considered the first "true SG"/non-Les Paul year by most, but that's actually more truthful for '63 in legality, and the "Les Paul" headstocks, truss rod covers, etc. can be found on SG's through early '64 even. And of course we all know that neither the Historic NOR the USA "reissues" are REALLY such other than as vague hodgepodges of years' models in questionable faux-aged finishes and often with pre-funky hardware. The neck joint isn't really a scientific way to determine what year reissue it would represent, since true 60's models could vary from guitar-to-guitar due to their HAND-MADE nature, unlike the machine-cut stuff of today. Back then, you may see any of 5 or 6 types of neck joints on SG's from '61 through '71. '61 through '65 SG's can be found with either the "box" neck joint, a "stepped" neck joint or the "smooth cap" neck joint like the Historic/CS stuff. It was a crapshoot, but there was no real significance in performance or anything. I even had a late-'65/early-'66 Standard once (which I miss) that had a transitional long-heel/smooth-body-joint but had the small pickguard of the regular '65 SG's. So anything, I repeat, ANYTHING is possible. Except the fact that the odds of finding a factory-stock stoptail on a real 60's SG are so nearly-improbable I still can't figure out why they bust out a glut of stoptail "reissues" and no vibrola-equipped non-Historic ones...lol H-Bomb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddairy Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 Even though I've added nothing to this post. I like the look of the '61 RI neck heel the best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradsure Posted March 31, 2009 Author Share Posted March 31, 2009 Thanks for the info! So it looks like both of the joints I had pictured existed in 61' just that Gibson chose a different one for the USA 61' RI and the CS Les Paul STD RI(not assigned any particular year). Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murph Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 It still proves Tim is a nice guy. And, a joint is a joint. Murph. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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