waterman27 Posted November 29, 2009 Share Posted November 29, 2009 I need help identifying an old Epiphone Acoustic. Pictures are NOT available yet, but the headstock is all mother of pearl with Epiphone labeled in block letters in a scroll with a small leaf inlay headed towards the fretboard. There is a large number 4 right before the headstock. Top appears to be mahogany, back has a serious repaired crack, but is a dark sunburst color. Any help or links would be appreciated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnl Posted November 29, 2009 Share Posted November 29, 2009 A Model 4 is definitely an oldie. See if it resembles this: http://www.epiphone.com/thevintagecollection/vintage5.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waterman27 Posted November 29, 2009 Author Share Posted November 29, 2009 Thank you for the responses. It is definately a Model 4 Flat top. Looks identical to the pictures in the link that JohnL gave. Exceptions, no pickguard and grover tuners. Again, a somewhat major crack in the back that has been repaired but plays excellent. Anyone know how to find a estimated value..? Thanks again for all the help. Pat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnl Posted November 30, 2009 Share Posted November 30, 2009 If the guitar is in your possesion, I think your best bet would be to get an appraisal from a dealer like Gruhn's or Elderly Instruments. Also, I think archtop.com sold one a couple of years ago; you might try e-mailing them. The problem with something like a Model 4 is that while the supply is scarce, so is the demand; and that tends to keep the price down (well, it's a problem for sellers; not so much for buyers). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waterman27 Posted November 30, 2009 Author Share Posted November 30, 2009 Ready to post pics of this guitar. Any ideas how to do that..? Lol I need help. Pat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peeper Posted November 30, 2009 Share Posted November 30, 2009 Read this. http://forums.epiphone.com/Default.aspx?g=posts&t=8886 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TommyK Posted December 2, 2009 Share Posted December 2, 2009 This model has a serious amount of 'cool'. It has features I've never seen before, nor since. The floating saddle on a fixed bridge is pure genius. The fret position markers, though, give me a headache.... or maybe it's my astigmatic eyes trying to see through bifocals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larens Posted December 2, 2009 Share Posted December 2, 2009 This model has a serious amount of 'cool'. It has features I've never seen before' date=' nor since. The floating saddle on a fixed bridge is pure genius. The fret position markers, though, give me a headache.... or maybe it's my astigmatic eyes trying to see through bifocals. +1 on the cool factor. And no, It's not like say, a Lloyd Loar L-5 in value but it isn't always about the money and even still, that guitar most certainly is valuable. That is a SERIOUSLY COOL guitar. Congratulations. Larens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwalin Posted December 2, 2009 Share Posted December 2, 2009 I assume it is a flat top and back? the website states archtop and arched back. looks flat to me... Nice find, looking forward to seeing pics... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TommyK Posted December 3, 2009 Share Posted December 3, 2009 They came in both flavors. If you skive off all but the last 'thevintagecollection' from the above link you get the parent page of the above link: http://www.epiphone.com/thevintagecollection/ There are four model / style "4"'s featured. One is an arch top. It isn't the same arch top as, say an L-5, but the back and sides do belly up a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waterman27 Posted December 5, 2009 Author Share Posted December 5, 2009 Okay, here are the links for some pictures. Not sure how to get them on here any other way. If anyone has an idea of value it would be appreciated. I contact Elderly and it seems this is very rare. Thanks for all the input. Any help Pat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cunningham26 Posted December 5, 2009 Share Posted December 5, 2009 It may be time to contact Epiphone, they may be interested in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peeper Posted December 5, 2009 Share Posted December 5, 2009 Please detail the binding, back of the headstock and heel. That will help determine the year. It is a flat top model 4, probably from the 30's though it's hard to say from just those pics. It appears to have had the bridge replaced when it was converted to a lefty. You should take it in for appraisal. You have to really inspect a guitar up close and personal to attach a value to it when it is something like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peeper Posted December 5, 2009 Share Posted December 5, 2009 This one is close.... http://www.epiphone.com/thevintagecollection/vintage3.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ship of fools Posted December 5, 2009 Share Posted December 5, 2009 Well I can tell you that its very unfortunate that someone converted this beauty as it greatly reduces its value and the tuners do not look like from that time period either. So you have several things that have devalued this gorgeous guitar, they are pretty hard to come by also as I do believe they were considered Epiphones higher end guitar from that time, though I am more familar with the jazz box from that series. Sorry but I couldn't really guess what the value could be and if you are thinking of selling then I would suggest that you look at an auction house like Christies ( https://www.christies.com/MyChristies/login.aspx?action=my_auction_calendar ) At least you'll get a larger viewer of folks to judge it potential value.Ship Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TommyK Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 INteresting. The Epiphone Vintage display page reveals that the pick guard was, from where I sit it looks this way anyways, nailed at the upper corner and the two points, then a screw into the bridge. Were the pins staggered because it allowed a narrower neck? or just to be different, I wonder. Looks like waterman27's "Flat 4" could use a nut job, a fretboard scrubbing and a tuner retro-grade. Other than that, I'd say it's a fine specimin worth playing. If you are really retentive about restoring it, the tuner upgrade may have required opening the tuner holes and therefore forever removing the peraloid overlay which would be oompossible to replicate. Also, careful measuring and some machine shop work could restore the floating saddle, fixed bridge. But since the refurb might not be transparent, it might not be worth the cost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pohatu771 Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 I've actually had this on my eBay watch list for a few days... I thought this thread had died: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110466711488&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnl Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 Well, that's one way of finding out how much someone will pay for it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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