Josh James Posted October 10, 2010 Share Posted October 10, 2010 Howdy! I'm fixing to start playing out with my rig a lot more and want everyone's opinion on true bypass vs. non true-bypass pedals. My current board is LP or Strat > Fulltone 69 Fuzz>PB Tuner> Stock TS-9>Keeley Blues Driver>Amp. I know neither of my "overdrive" pedals are true bypass and I'm assuming are not giving me the tone I want. The pedal that really gives me issues is the TS-9 because it seems to really suck a lot of my LP's natural tone. I usually run it like gain stages with the Keeley being my clean boost with gain all the way down and level at noon and tone at about 9. The TS-9 level at 2 and gain at 9 with tone at noon These two pedals for some reason do not sound good together but sound fine seperate which is really irking me. I really just need a OD that jives with the keeley as a solo boost maybe? J Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tman5293 Posted October 10, 2010 Share Posted October 10, 2010 Try less pedals. Always keep in mind that More Pedals = Less Tone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solid G Posted October 10, 2010 Share Posted October 10, 2010 Post up some your playin bro ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHO Posted October 10, 2010 Share Posted October 10, 2010 I always prefer tru bypass pedals. Why? Because of the control. Using all true bypass pedals isn't always the best option, often you'll want a buffer in there to help the signal go through. But sometimes that buffer won't play nice with other pedals. That's just how it is. So I prefer to have all true bypass pedals and then I'll add the buffer myself when it is needed and where it is needed. In your case, I can't say for sure what's sucking tone. When you say the pedals do not sound good together, does that include just having the Keely and TS-9 off or vice versa? Or is it only when you turn both pedals on at the same time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh James Posted October 10, 2010 Author Share Posted October 10, 2010 Sho - I can tell whenever the TS-9 is on that it is sucking bass and volume from my signal. I can especially tell when it and the Keeley are both on, even with the Keeley after it supposively fattening my sound as it does with the Fuzz it still sucks all the bass out...frustrating to say the least when you want the thing to give you a good boost and the pedal before it kills it! J Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazzboy Posted October 10, 2010 Share Posted October 10, 2010 First of all your tuner should be at the beginning of the single chain not in the middle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh James Posted October 10, 2010 Author Share Posted October 10, 2010 The Fuzz likes to see the pickups straight in or it goes gonzo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazzboy Posted October 10, 2010 Share Posted October 10, 2010 Am I missing something, what type of amp? If you read his signature he using Ceriatone JMP 1987X Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FirstMeasure Posted October 11, 2010 Share Posted October 11, 2010 Your TS-9's level is on 2? That's pretty low, your signal may be choked off right there. Back off the gain and turn up the level a bit. I keep my TS-9's level at about 12:00 o' Clock then bring the gain up to where I want it. Tube Screamers don't really like their gains cranked, they loose their Overdrive Voice and start to sound like a thin Distortion Pedal. Also, what you may think is Tone Sucking could just be the TS-9's natural voice, they definitely color your tone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh James Posted October 11, 2010 Author Share Posted October 11, 2010 No I have the level set at 2 o'clock. I'm going to try it out with my Champ 2 when it gets here. I may just keep the Ceriatone for recording and outdoor gig's. The Ceriatone is a really cool late 60's style plexi with no MV and 4 inputs that can be patched and the two "channels" volume can be mixed. It really nail's that Cream/Zeppelin sound IMO. The Champ will be a different tone for sure, but it is 18 watts, so that can handle most indoor gig's I think? J Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hall Posted October 11, 2010 Share Posted October 11, 2010 Whatever happened to the long established board idea, the finished sound is best when set to remain true in volume and tone throughout the series of effects pedals (exempting boosts) when the same volume level at "in" exists as when "out" and the volume and tone of the entire bord level is matched at "in" and "out" by utilizing an eq at each end of the chain? Simple Example: guitar ... wah > eq > distortion > chorus > delay > eq ... amp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hall Posted October 11, 2010 Share Posted October 11, 2010 Ahhh a simple but yet confusing though that many do not understand. Or you can try something like I do; run amp only with no effects not even a booster since the amp does this quite well by itself and a volume knob on the guitar is quite a wonderful tool... Ah, at last. One who understands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh James Posted October 11, 2010 Author Share Posted October 11, 2010 lol Well, when you are doing a lot of cover tunes it helps to have a few different flavor's of OD or wotnot. Thanks for the help and I'm going to keep messing with it. J Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FirstMeasure Posted October 11, 2010 Share Posted October 11, 2010 lol Well, when you are doing a lot of cover tunes it helps to have a few different flavor's of OD or wotnot. Thanks for the help and I'm going to keep messing with it. J For Sure. The way my Back Line is set up I have about 10 different levels of Overdrive ranging from mildly driven to massively distorted. All achieved with Two Amps, One TS-9, and one MXR Distortion+. Keeps the audience from getting bored with one gain setting, after an hour or two the same Overdrive will start to sound like a Chainsaw or some other power tool. Plus it really puts your performance over the top when you sound different from one song to the next. Despite Hall's assertion the he's the only one that knows how to set up a pedal board, I find it completely unnecessary to have an EQ anywhere in my line of 5 pedals. It's pretty easy to keep your levels consistent with the controls that come with each pedal, particularly the controls marked "Level" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh James Posted October 12, 2010 Author Share Posted October 12, 2010 True Measure! But also you have to take into account that all OD's have different amounts of volume or level...ie the aforementioned Keeley BD and stock TS-9. J Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EVOL! Posted October 12, 2010 Share Posted October 12, 2010 Your issue has nothing to do with true bypass. True bypass only applies when the pedal is turned off; how much does it affect your tone when the pedal is off. And I like having at least one buffering pedal in my chain. A whole chain of true bypass can weaken the sound by the time it gets to your amp. Try switching your Keeley and TS-9. I used to run my OD808 first and found that it sounds best after all the other dirt and fuzz boxes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hall Posted October 12, 2010 Share Posted October 12, 2010 Despite Hall's assertion the he's the only one that knows how to set up a pedal board, I find it completely unnecessary to have an EQ anywhere in my line of 5 pedals. It's pretty easy to keep your levels consistent with the controls that come with each pedal, particularly the controls marked "Level" Hey back off, FirstMeasure. I made no assertion such as alleged by yourself. I don't give a crap how you or anyone sets up a pedal board, or what pedals are used. Since you missed the basic premise in the first place, go your own way and dig your sound. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FirstMeasure Posted October 12, 2010 Share Posted October 12, 2010 Whatever happened to the long established board idea, the finished sound is best when set to remain true in volume and tone throughout the series of effects pedals (exempting boosts) when the same volume level at "in" exists as when "out" and the volume and tone of the entire bord level is matched at "in" and "out" by utilizing an eq at each end of the chain? Simple Example: guitar ... wah > eq > distortion > chorus > delay > eq ... amp Ahhh a simple but yet confusing though that many do not understand. Or you can try something like I do; run amp only with no effects not even a booster since the amp does this quite well by itself and a volume knob on the guitar is quite a wonderful tool... Ah, at last. One who understands. Sorry, I guess I Misread or Misinterpreted this exchange. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh James Posted October 12, 2010 Author Share Posted October 12, 2010 I'm going to give that a shot Evol...thanks! I'll let you know.. J Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hall Posted October 12, 2010 Share Posted October 12, 2010 Sorry, I guess I Misread or Misinterpreted this exchange. Thanks, and good, FirstMeasure. I appreciate your getting back to me on this one. Sorry, for being short with you. Hope all is cool twixt us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FirstMeasure Posted October 12, 2010 Share Posted October 12, 2010 Thanks, and good, FirstMeasure. I appreciate your getting back to me on this one. Sorry, for being short with you. Hope all is cool twixt us. Of course, I didn't mean to come off so Sh%ty in the first place. All is very cool Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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