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2004 or 1991 Epiphone Texan? Anyone have any idea what I'm getting?

#21 User is offline   QuestionMark 

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Posted 11 December 2017 - 11:52 PM

Congrats on at last getting the guitar! Here’s to you making great music and pick n’ grinnin’ with it!

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Posted 12 December 2017 - 03:51 AM

Glad it arrived safe & sound. Regarding the solid back & sides, another way to check for solid sides is to pull the endpin & look at the exposed edge of the wood.

Congrats & enjoy !!!
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Posted 16 December 2017 - 02:58 PM

As promised, I took a few pix of the Texan this weekend. I focused on the neck to body area and a bit more detail of the figured maple back and sides, since we already have seen the full front and back thanks to the pix from the CME site.

I did reach out to another collector of old and rare guitars for any advice or if he had seen any like this before. He sent me the same link I already have to that guy form several years ago on YouTube who was selling one (previously posted link to that here in this thread). Then he gave me advice, much like many of you have with regards to the "USED/2ND" stamp on head stocks. He did go on to tell me that it couldn't be solid back and sides because they only made a few select series with solid back and sides. He then offered a picture of an older guitar he had with solid back/sides and suggested that all made with solid woods would have these particular braces in them every so many inches. Mine didn't. Funny though, neither does my Gibson J15, which we all know IS solid back/sides. So much for that theory. He meant well, though. So I tried "bobouz's" advice about the end pin. Voila! Solid wood! Whaddya know!?! The argument that only certain models where made with the solid back/sides seems to be a bit moot when it comes to this particular guitar, when you think about it. After all, they never technically made any production models out of maple, either. So, using that logic, this one doesn't exist.

All this just adds an even bigger mystery to this guitar. It seems, at some point, Epiphone thought of making a Texan with maple back and sides. I'm guessing it would have cost a pretty penny since it has the solid back and sides and the maple is a lovely figured maple, at that. I can only imagine that there were more than just the two made (mine and the YouTube guy...or whomever he sold it to), but maybe not. This guitar is beautiful. She feels great, she's solid with a great weight, sounds great, is really well made. Aside from matching a sunburst mahogany neck on a natural body, everything about the build is flawless. Having never played a traditional mahogany bodied Texan, I can not properly compare it to this one for the sound quality/texture. I would guess, this having the maple, that she has a brighter tone. It is brighter than my J15, but the J15 has a much richer overall tone. Perhaps the tonal quality was thought too radically different from a traditional and that is why Epiphone decided not to mass produce more like this? At this point, I'm done playing Columbo and will just stick to playing guitars. Enjoy the pix, kids and have a Merry Christmas, Happy Hanukkah, Kwazy Kwanzaa and a Joyous Festivus!

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That's my cat, JoJo.
He thinks it's cool but,
preferred the packing paper it came in more.



One brief note: On one of my previous post: I inadvertently referred to the maple as "birds eye" rather than "figured". I was tired and a bit excited at the time of it's publishing. The guy in the YouTube vid wrongly calls it birds eye, too. I know some folks are sticklers for those type of things.

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Posted 16 December 2017 - 04:04 PM

Your Texan is quite the odd duck!

Just noticed that there's no adjustable truss rod access at the peghead. I would assume it has one, with access through the soundhole.

To my knowledge, this is unlike what any of Epiphone's typical Korean suppliers were building in the '90s. Every Epiphone I've come across from the Samick, Peerless, Saien, and Unsong Korean-made factories have a truss rod cavity with access at the peghead.

So once again, this guitar does not neatly plug into the most common categories for that era. Regardless of all that, it looks like a very nice find, and one that will provide some interesting tonal variations.
> Gibsons: '22 "A" Mandolin / '66 ES 125T / '90 Tennessean / '00 J-100 Xtra
'02 J-45 Rosewood / '02 SG Faded-moon / '06 ES 335 / '09 ES 339
'10 ES 330L / '11 ES 335-P90s / '12 ES 330 VOS / '12 LP Special
'12 J-185 / '13 LG2-AE / '13 Midtown Kalamazoo / '14 J-15
> Epis: '66 FT45n Cortez / '00 AIUSA-John Lee Hooker 1964 Sheraton
'05 McCartney 1964 Texan (Terada-Elitist) / '09 Elitist 1965 Casino
> Martins: '00 OOO-16 / '01 Custom Rosewood D / > Ibanez: '81 M-340
> Guilds: '73 F-30R / '74 F-40 / '76 G-37 / '92 D-6 / '94 JF-30 / '97 Starfire
'14 Savoy A-150b / > Breedlove: '10 American Series OO Mandolin
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Posted 16 December 2017 - 04:22 PM

View Postbobouz, on 16 December 2017 - 04:04 PM, said:

Your Texan is quite the odd duck!

Just noticed that there's no adjustable truss rod access at the peghead. I would assume it has one, with access through the soundhole.

To my knowledge, this is unlike what any of Epiphone's typical Korean suppliers were building in the '90s. Every Epiphone I've come across from the Samick, Peerless, Saien, and Unsong Korean-made factories have a truss rod cavity with access at the peghead.

So once again, this guitar does not neatly plug into the most common categories for that era. Regardless of all that, it looks like a very nice find, and one that will provide some interesting tonal variations.

I had not noticed that either, until you mentioned it. Yes, it's in the sound hole. It is a Korean build but, I've yet to try peeling off the white "new" serial number sticker from the blue label on the inside to see what the other serial number is which may help to identify the year built.

Thanks for giving me yet another odd dimension to this unique guitar [crying].
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Posted 18 December 2017 - 10:09 AM

"[Guitars] made with solid woods would have these particular braces in them every so many inches."

The presence or lack of reinforcing braces or cloth strips on the sides of acoustic guitars is no sure indication of whether the sides are solid or not. Gibson hasn't used them on their solid-sided guitars in decades, for instance. Maybe a half-century or more. On the other hand, Epiphone uses them on their solid-sided modern day Masterbilts. They are present on my Elitist J-200 (not 100% positive on whether this has solid or laminated sides), but not on my Elitist Texan (solid sides) or Elitist McCartney Texan (solid sides). Since the Texans strive to be accurate repros of sixties-era Gibsons (the McCartney in particular, the regular Elitist is a looser interpretation), that just makes sense, as Gibson did not use them then.

I would think it would be more likely that a guitar with reinforcing side braces has solid sides (to prevent cracks), but solid-sided guitars have long been commonly built without them.

Red 333

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