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Posted 26 February 2012 - 03:24 PM

My 2003 LP Standard suffers from one problem and one problem only ... the bridge pup cuts like an ice pick. I've put in an expensive .015uf oil & paper copper cap and that really did nothing. I have it set up with the '57 wiring but am still using the 300k Gibson pot.


I have a new, high quality, long-shaft 500k pot BUT knowledge tells me that will increase treble slightly - not 'tame' the pickup down.
What say you guys???
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Posted 27 February 2012 - 10:57 AM

500 should be a bit darker than the 300......You could also lower the height of the bridge PU.........
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Posted 27 February 2012 - 11:03 AM

View Postbluezguy, on 26 February 2012 - 03:24 PM, said:

My 2003 LP Standard suffers from one problem and one problem only ... the bridge pup cuts like an ice pick. I've put in an expensive .015uf oil & paper copper cap and that really did nothing. I have it set up with the '57 wiring but am still using the 300k Gibson pot.


I have a new, high quality, long-shaft 500k pot BUT knowledge tells me that will increase treble slightly - not 'tame' the pickup down.
What say you guys???

This is why I don't care for BB pros, and I suspect that is why you find nylon saddles on the bridges of the Joe Bonnamassa guitars. about the only cure I've found, is change the magnet from an A5 to something else, I use A2 mags, making them a regular BB, but, potted. Or, you could do like JB and use nylon saddles on the 3 high strings.
In most cases, I really prefer the 57 classic+, much smoother, and no high end bite.



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Posted 27 February 2012 - 11:18 AM

View Postmarvar, on 27 February 2012 - 11:03 AM, said:

This is why I don't care for BB pros, and I suspect that is why you find nylon saddles on the bridges of the Joe Bonnamassa guitars. about the only cure I've found, is change the magnet from an A5 to something else, I use A2 mags, making them a regular BB, but, potted. Or, you could do like JB and use nylon saddles on the 3 high strings.
In most cases, I really prefer the 57 classic+, much smoother, and no high end bite.


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Posted 27 February 2012 - 12:51 PM

A 57+ in the bridge might do it for you.......

( If you do that, I'll buy the bridge pro from you........)....
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Posted 07 March 2012 - 04:45 PM

hmmm. the 500k should increase treble output.

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Posted 07 March 2012 - 05:00 PM

View Postvincentw, on 07 March 2012 - 04:45 PM, said:

hmmm. the 500k should increase treble output.


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Posted 08 March 2012 - 06:39 AM

You could turn the tone knob counter clockwise about 90 degrees. [blink]

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Posted 19 March 2012 - 08:17 PM

View PostSearcy, on 08 March 2012 - 06:39 AM, said:

You could turn the tone knob counter clockwise about 90 degrees. [blink]

And change the cap to a .047.

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Posted 19 March 2012 - 08:26 PM

View PostSearcy, on 08 March 2012 - 06:39 AM, said:

You could turn the tone knob counter clockwise about 90 degrees. [blink]

Genius! Pure genius!

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Posted 19 March 2012 - 08:28 PM

View Posttexasbluesman1904, on 19 March 2012 - 08:17 PM, said:

And change the cap to a .047.

Yes Sir!

It might help to know that a .015 cap will be brighter than a .022 cap, and .047 less bright yet.

.047 is the ORIGONAL cap value for a LP.

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Posted 20 March 2012 - 01:22 PM

Thanks guys!

Turning down a tone control is not what I'm interested in ... that's for other people's kids. My goal is to have the guitar itself in wide open position tonally satisfying .. then, and only then, do the rest of the knobs and things matter.
BB1 and BB2 pups arrived from MF. We'll see ... I will succeed in my quest and it will be with Gibson parts. [cool]

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Posted 21 March 2012 - 07:28 AM

View Postbluezguy, on 20 March 2012 - 01:22 PM, said:

Thanks guys!

Turning down a tone control is not what I'm interested in ... that's for other people's kids. My goal is to have the guitar itself in wide open position tonally satisfying .. then, and only then, do the rest of the knobs and things matter.
BB1 and BB2 pups arrived from MF. We'll see ... I will succeed in my quest and it will be with Gibson parts. [cool]

You guys will be in the 'loop'

Thanks!


'Wide open" is only a figure of speech...in reality, there is no such setting in which the pots and caps are out of the circuit.

The idea that the sound is better or more pure at full up is a misconception.

The way a guitar is wired, the pot gives resistance to ground. '0' or off is a dead short, or, grounded out. Turning it up gives a resistance to being grounded. The more RESISTANCE you can apply toward a short, the more signal can pass. This is why a 500k pot is louder than a 300k pot.

Full up on the volume is nothing more than the maximum of the pot, the limit. It is not any less part of the circuit if it is full up, 3/4 or halfway. Full up on the pot just means you have hit the physical limit of how much you can effect the pot onto the signal.

The tone control is very much the same thing, but with a cap. A capacitor BLOCKS lows, and lets highs pass through. It seems the opposite, but what it is doing is grounding out the highs. The tone pot is acting like a second volume control. Full 'off' is essentailly hearing the effect the cap has 100% of the time on the circuit, full on is letting as much of the UNAFFECTED signal pass in addition. Again, just to the physical limits of the pot. THE CAP AND TONE POT ARE ALWAYS IN THE CIRCUIT!

Basically, having the overall "tone" of the guitar where you like it at full up my be a convenience. But you don't need to think that turning down the volume or tone pots is a compromise to the 'tone' or quality of the signal. Or that a guitar will sound less good set up that way.

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Posted 22 March 2012 - 12:32 AM

Another solution to a "too bright" pickup is to simply paint the cover a non bright shade..........:rolleyes: [flapper] :unsure: [sneaky] [blink] .......
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" There's nothing remarkable about it. All one has to do is hit the right keys at the right time and the instrument plays itself.' Johann Sebastian Bach
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Posted 22 March 2012 - 03:23 PM

View Poststein, on 21 March 2012 - 07:28 AM, said:

'Wide open"


This will be the way my tones will forever be monitored [flapper] [flapper] [flapper] [thumbup]

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Posted 26 March 2012 - 12:28 PM

All these years I've been using my tone and volume controls for subtle to overt changes in tone and volume and now I find out it's for other people's kids? Day-um!

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Posted 26 March 2012 - 01:47 PM

View Postbluezguy, on 20 March 2012 - 01:22 PM, said:

Turning down a tone control is not what I'm interested in ... that's for other people's kids. My goal is to have the guitar itself in wide open position tonally satisfying .. then, and only then, do the rest of the knobs and things matter. Thanks!


Mindblowing! All this time I've been using the volume and tone controls to get different sounds and now, after many years, I learn I didn't have to do that! What an idiot I've been! And think of all the money saved by not having those "kid" controls - I can just hardwire all the pickups directly into the switch and rip out all of the pots and caps! Genius!

Now, how do I plug up those four holes? [confused]

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Posted 26 March 2012 - 03:25 PM

View PostGuitarBuilder, on 26 March 2012 - 01:47 PM, said:

Mindblowing! All this time I've been using the volume and tone controls to get different sounds and now, after many years, I learn I didn't have to do that! What an idiot I've been! And think of all the money saved by not having those "kid" controls - I can just hardwire all the pickups directly into the switch and rip out all of the pots and caps! Genius!

Now, how do I plug up those four holes? [confused]



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" Music is a higher relevation than all wisdom and philosophy. Music is the electrical soil in which the spirit lives, thinks and invents." Ludwig von Beethoven
" There's nothing remarkable about it. All one has to do is hit the right keys at the right time and the instrument plays itself.' Johann Sebastian Bach
" Playing scales is like a boxer skipping rope or a punching bag. It's not the thing itself; it's preparatory to the activity." Barney Kessel
" After silence, that which comes nearest to expressing the inexpressible is music." Aldous Hoxley
" There's a fine line between genius and insanity. I have crossed this line." Pianist Oscar Lavant
" Music came before language; musical grunts became words." Damian (copyright)
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" Without music, life would be a mistake." Friedrich Nietzsche
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Posted 09 April 2012 - 06:25 PM

just bought a set of burstbucker pro....they are a big disapointment...way to bright for me..out the come....

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Posted 09 April 2012 - 07:47 PM

View PostSearcy, on 08 March 2012 - 06:39 AM, said:

You could turn the tone knob counter clockwise about 90 degrees. [blink]



View Postgibsonnutt, on 09 April 2012 - 06:25 PM, said:

just bought a set of burstbucker pro....they are a big disapointment...way to bright for me..out the come....

It might not be the pup for you. But while it is in, you might do some experimenting.

Rther than submit to the shock and disappiontment that it sounds different than you wanted it to, finding out more about the why and what might help you down the road.

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