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28 minutes ago, sbpark said:
I'll throw a wild card into the mix...
I love Gibsons so don't take my recommendation as being anti-Gibson, but OP may want to check out a Martin 00-15M or 000-15M. I say thins because I think these are amazing blues boxes and they have a pretty slim/lower profile neck that's 1 11/16" wide. They play fast and although not identical to an electric guitar neck, they are smaller than your usual 1 3/4" and even the standard Gibson nut width. I think it's a combo of that particular nut width and that neck profile that gives it this feel. These are fantastic guitars that although not identical to the 17 Series from way back, they are definitely nods to that sound and era, but with the narrow nut width, lower profile neck but longer/standard scale length. I recently feel back on love with these little Martins and they really are a really nice compliment to a Gibson, or a departure from one that might tick the OP's wants/needs, and they're still an amazing bargain at $1349, but can easily be had all day for 15% off that, sometimes more., and under or around $1,000 used.
He bought the Gibson L-00 - see other thread, but the Martin 15 series guitars are a good suggestion anyway.
I prefer 1 3/4" nut so saw a new OMC-15ME with wider nut but same bridge spacing last year and bought it! After 8 or 9 months, the top is breaking in nicely....and it is a terrific guitar, setup good straight out of the box. It also has a pickup system with an undersaddle PLUS faceplate sensor and I actually like it, sort of...could do it, but I also have my Tonedexter to improve the undersaddle sounds of a few monsters I own.
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If you haven't drilled a strap button hole before, it is probably better to get a guitar tech to do it.
Meanwhile you can use a boot lace tied to a guitar strap and the headstock. You can also buy a headstock leather tie to attach to your guitar strap and headstock:
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Congratulations to L-00 ownership!
I was playing my Gibson Blues King L-00 when a friend was over, about 5 years ago, and he went away with THE FEVER.
Seems like the next day, (wasn't) he was back with his Blues King!
Mine on the right of photo, his on the left......(mine is 2007 bubinga back and sides/sitka, his is 2015 mahogany/sitka):
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1 hour ago, QuestionMark said:
The EL-00 had a thinner neck and smaller nut spacing than the Epiphone EL-00 Pro or Epiphone Studio version has. Also, if it was one of the original EL-00s it had a different body shape in its first year or two than the EL-00s or EL-00 Pros or Studios that came afterward.
Plus, the suggestion was that the poster first purchase and play for awhile a less expensive EL-00 Pro or identical EL-00 Studio if he likes the slim taper neck shape before deciding to spend big bucks on a Gibson L-00 with a slim taper neck if he’s hesitant or unsure at this point.
QM aka “Jazzman” JeffAha...
What size nut does the EL-00 Pro run?
I really don’t know who thought my EL-00 with 1 5/8” nut was a good idea, but they made lots of them.
It is coming back to me through the veil of time that after I gave it to friend’s kid, it not long after went to a pawnshop! I was a little miffed - I could have taken it to the pawn shop, but I thought I was spreading goodwill. Most stuff I have given to anyone over the years has ended at a pawnshop. I also offered some gear to a music school, but they didn’t want it either - they had deals going with a famous shop...... I give up on fellow man, I will just sell stuff.
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1 hour ago, sbpark said:
They make two ne k profiles. One is pretty standard, the other a super chunky V. Both have 1 3/4” nut widths.
Is that the Waterloo model they recommend only using light 11s?
Wouldn’t last long with my medium 13s! I prefer fat string tuned down, but would be willing to give the K a chance, my Waterloos are superb and get better daily!
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The Waterloo WL-K is a strange recommendation for someone that wants a skinny ‘electric type’ neck.......I have not played a WL-K but I have 2 Waterloo WL-14s, X and ladder......and they are exactly the large V neck and 2 3/8” bridge space I love for fingerpickng!
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10 hours ago, zombywoof said:
I have never laid my hands on an EL-00 Pro of whatever they call the more recent versions. I have had a chance to play the older plain old EL-00 and thought they were Gawd Awful when it came to both sound and feel.
My favorite Epi take on the L-00 remains the Bluesmaster. This was a limited run in the mid-1990s. Neat herringbone binding and such. Admittedly though, one of the things which I found most attractive about this guitar is something which sounds like it would be a major turn off for the OP. It was built with a 1 7/8" nut. While I have never been a Keb Mo fan, this is the model he played before being enticed into the Gibson fold.
I had an Epiphone EL-00 before I bought my 2007 Gibson Blues King L-00....ha, forgot I had that one! Long gone, but it was cheap and the lam sides and the skinny neck with 1 5/8” nut didn’t offer much for my fingerpicking style! I gave it to friend’s kid, a small kid and that is what they are.....a small person guitar, not a lug like me.
In my music room currently are 3 Gibson acoustics from the 2000s with Ren at the helm.....2007 Blues King, 2005 Dove and 2002 J50. .......not one of the necks is in any way similar. I can only put this down to Dove made on Tuesday morning, J50 Wednesday afternoon and Blues King 5pm Friday afternoon! To me, the J50 neck is best, a fairly chunky 50s style perhaps but with wider nut, a great fingerpicker really. Dove neck is flatter, thinner, more a strummer but I persist because of the tone. Blues King neck also is its own thing Ren came up with...slim but before the slim taper was invented. 1.725 nut....all in all no relation to my 1937 Gibson L-0 in any way except the general idea of it!😬
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11 hours ago, zombywoof said:
My take on it that Bozeman's interpretation of a slim taper neck will have their standard nut width and clock in at between roughly .820" and .840" at the first fret and .900" and .920" at the 9th fret. So based on my frame of reference pretty skimpy.
While it is only anecdotal evidence, the Gibson acoustics built between 1960 and 1963 I have owned had neck carves which were more like the oval C shape that is pictured in the chart provided. Just for info purposes, here is what I think is a better diagram of showing the difference between a 1950s round shoulder C and 1960s slim taper Gibson electric guitar neck. Note that while the depth is only slightly shallower, the cave is very different. Again though, this is based on necks on Gibson electric guitars.
Will the 50s or 60s neck profiles have any thing to do with the Modern Gibson acoustic slim Jim?
The modern ones are still Ren's own invention, are they not?
I like the 50s styles I have played....
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2 hours ago, BWS said:
Hi Everybody. I have always wanted to own a Gibson acoustic and I’m going to buy one this week. I am hoping for a little expertise, and advice from you all.
I live in the middle of nowhere, so there is really nowhere to try out guitars. There is a guitar center 2 hours away, and today I drove down to sample what they had. I’ll end up having to order online.
What did you try at the GC?
You probably should do it again, and again, and try a whole range of acoustics to get the feel of the necks.
And then I would buy a used 2005-7 Gibson L-00.... I know they usually had the slimmer necks. I have one....
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Congratulations Murph!
Maybe a new guitar is needed t help celebrate? 🙂
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No acoustics much but a great documentary:
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Nothing there I really want, thanks.
Ole J50 maybe, but no small bodies. But I keep my cash.
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On 2/25/2022 at 2:32 AM, Murph said:
Pretty sweet...
Murph is back!!!
Where you been, thought you must have bit it, been quite a while.
Welcome back.
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Yeah, A Tele would probably peel paint through that little amp! ( I have a Mesa Boogie 22 that a big spider is living in and a dusty 72 Tele Custom, and the dreaded 83 Strat)
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Not heard of Carl? He is everywhere lately.
Tux models.......I have 2 - a Martin 000-17 and a Waterloo WL-14X. They both do their take on a 30s sort of sound with thin matt finishes helping it along. My Waterloo tux was bought after watching a video a few years back of a 14 fret Gibson Tux L-00 and guessing that the chances of buying that one were zero, the Waterloo became mine! Great guitar! Now the Tux Martin was a bit disappointing to begin, but years later it has become ...something else...opened up and a nice dry tone and easy for fingerpicking.
They need a nice new (old) friend like the 32 Carl is playing, but sadly.....no.
Now that Tux white space keeps calling me to draw something on it......and while it is the local football team that beats my team consistently that might easily get a few drawn nasty comments and even the bird - that really is no good as that could get the guitar broken! So here is my (Photoshopped) version of something John Lennon might have liked doing:
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1946 Southern Jumbo - Carl Miner!
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Carl Miner!
1932 Gibson L-00:
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On 2/9/2022 at 4:23 AM, Twang Gang said:
Got an email from Taylor last week introducing a new guitar. It has a maple back and sides, and a maple top. I don't recall seeing other acoustics with maple tops and I certainly don't think I ever played one. It is their AD size model which is a slope shoulder dread. I heard some demos of it and while it does sound different than most Taylors which have spruce tops it wasn't hugely different. Sort of reminded me of an all mahogany guitar, but a little brighter.
Just wondering if others have heard or played a guitar that was all maple, body and top. Perhaps they are a lot more common than I realize?
Here is a link to the one I'm talking about. Unlike most other manufacturers, this guitar is actually in stock at some dealers:
Taylor American Dream AD27e Flametop Acoustic-electric Guitar - Woodsmoke | Sweetwater
Hardwood top acoustics (hardtops???) are one of my latest benders!
Back in the very early days, it was the mahogany top Martin 0-17s etc that got all the blues players dragged in......not as loud as sitka tops, but a sort of compression like a blues singer voice......once broken in!!!! Note: broken in - before that, they are really stiff unless the tops are thinned. (Out comes the Tonerite)...or buy a 1944 Martin 0-17 like I did 7 or 8 years ago....well broken in!
Like this one:
https://reverb.com/au/item/3134699-1944-martin-0-17
Recently, Martin brought out a CEO9 with mango wood top, back and sides...says it has that compressed thing going on...never played on, but looks interesting:
https://reverb.com/au/item/50350715-martin-ceo-9-2021-mango-sunset-burst-w-ohsc
I recently wanted a Waterloo all mahogany but none around, so in a fever I bought a Martin OMC-15ME all mahogany 15 series OM...it is now 8 or 9 months old and just opening up beautifully:
https://www.martinguitar.com/guitars/15-series/OMC-15ME.html
6 months ago, I bought the all Australian Blackwood 00 Maton (EBW808) - this is just starting to open up nicely - it also has the sensational Maton AP5-pro pickup system:
https://reverb.com/au/item/46614521-maton-ebw-808-blackwood-series-with-ap5-pro-pickup
But......
Love them newbies as I am starting to do, nothing beats the old 0-17 well and truly broken in on the verge of broken! It is surprisingly loud for an 0, and the tone.....
So a maple top could be worth trying, but for me it would be better for someone else to belt it around for 5 years or so to open it out!
My 1944 Martin 0-17:
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4 hours ago, CAMELEYE said:
BK, my WL-12Mh has a fairly hefty neck. Slimmer than the 14 fretters, I really don't think so.
I've had three other Waterloos and the neck on this one feels large, but not huge. (Hard to describe without using numbers.)
The original large V necks on both my Wl-14s are beautiful things!
Chunky V neck, 1 3/4" nut, 2 3/8" bridge spacing - ding! Ring my bell! (And I think Bill copied the neck on my 1935 Gibson L50!)
Modern guitar makers, except Bill, have shied away from a nice V neck.
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Isn't the (Fairbanks) F20 the L1 copy? F10 is the L-0 copy, isn't it? And cheaper than the F20. And do they have the old dry sound the Waterloo ladder braced WL-14L gets? Or the wet sound of the newer Gibsons?
Chances of seeing any here where I live are slim, and that goes for all guitar mentioned so far, including Waterloo models at the moment....
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A Fairbanks used would be about 3 times the price of a Waterloo used, wouldn't it?
I, myself, want to play at least 12s or 13s, so the Kel copy wearing 11s max is out....
No, Bill Collings hit the nail with my Waterloo WL-14 ladder braced....sound, playability, build quality, intonation...etc - I played it most of yesterday's playing - sounds older than my old ones!!!!
So that is what I am getting at - it is great to have some vintage guitars but since Bill invented his range of Waterloo with nice, dry old sounds, you don't HAVE to buy vintage to have a great old sound.
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4 hours ago, CAMELEYE said:
Yes, BK, it did. Got it from the Left Coast.
Shortly after which I had two folks PM me with their WL-12Mh offers.
So, I'd say they're out there.
And you are liking it?
That model has the slimmer neck than my WL-14 models, doesn’t it?
One day I will grab a WL-14Mh all mahogany if one goes past, full V neck and no mail order brides for me again! Play it live for 5 seconds and I know.......
Meanwhile the 2 hardtop projects I bought new are coming to fruition a bit - a 15 series Martin OMC-15ME is about 8 or 9 months old and really starting to open out. My Maton with all Aust blackwood is 6 months and opening out as well. Both guitars were very stiff new. I bought them after failing to find the mahogany top Waterloo anywhere here.
So then a month ago, some local yokel put on consign their really beautiful looking Martin mahogany top 12 fret Custom Shop.............Phew! It HAS been calling me, but I am going to put new strings on my OMC -15 ME and play that! I also have my 44 Martin 0-17, wonderful, wonderful but a tad little and a National mahogany top M-14.
I do like my mahogany tops!
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3 hours ago, CAMELEYE said:
BK's on the right trail. A Waterloo WL-12mh cured my need for a vintage Gibson 12 fret L. Also, it's left
a lot of green on the table.
I play my ladder WL-14L and x braced WL-14X all the time!
Wouldn't mind a 14 fret Mh mahogany top to go with it, prefer 14 frets but if a 12 sticks its head up.........hmmm......slim on the ground since Covid. I saw your 'wanted' ad, Cameleye! I thought that would never work..Ha..... and it did!
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Slothead string changing is 3 man full time job and an intelligence test.....get Elixir long lifes so you don't have to do it very often! Do it the right way or the strings will rub wood off the inside of the slots, or...buy an old one with wear already!😎
It is even trickier (to start) on a National...have to hold the cone with some tension.
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I’m buying a L-00, need some advice and input please
in Gibson Acoustic
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Well, Gibson has currently about 75 'Historic' versions of the same guitar, but not one with a mahogany top, and no L-00 with a V neck and 1 3/4" nut.
How about re-issuing one of these:
https://www.folkwaymusic.com/museum/gibson-guitars/1932-gibson-l0-1118
or one of these:
https://reverb.com/au/item/47628801-gibson-l-00-1932-black
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