charlie brown Posted November 29, 2015 Author Share Posted November 29, 2015 CB, you brought the "bevel" issue to my attention a few years ago... up to that point, I was fairly clueless on the subject. My old '91 Standard has the nearly-non-existent beveling, while my '13 '50s Tribute has the deep, exaggerated beveling. Not sure if I have a preference, but I must admit—since you raised the point for me—I kind'a like the beveling. Looks more "authentic" to me. I think a lot of folks, younger than some of us here, didn't/don't realize there even was a "beveling/horn tapering" issue, because they've never seen, or played some of the original early '60's SG's, prior. And, even if they did, they may not have noticed, unless side by side, to one with lesser bevels and no horn tapering. But,as I've stated, many times, the wider, deeper bevels and substantial horn tapering, of the early '60's, are as much a part of an SG, for me, as the dual "horns!" So, I'm not sure WHY Gibson keeps going back and forth, on those two spec's?! But, maybe it's to try to please people in both camps? CB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sellen Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 To my eye's the Gibson official Sg '13 catalog, might be their best ever!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aster1 Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 Help educate me on the SG as I purchased a 2010 61 Reissue. That's the only Gibson SG I've ever had my hands on. How close was this to the 1961 made guitar? Was it "horn bevel correct" or just a weak attempt? If I'm understanding what ya'll are saying the Standard made in 2013 was more of the period correct design? Aster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie brown Posted November 30, 2015 Author Share Posted November 30, 2015 Help educate me on the SG as I purchased a 2010 61 Reissue. That's the only Gibson SG I've ever had my hands on. How close was this to the 1961 made guitar? Was it "horn bevel correct" or just a weak attempt? If I'm understanding what ya'll are saying the Standard made in 2013 was more of the period correct design? Aster '61 reissues were certainly a lot closer, to the originals. There were some concerns, about the color (being too light, or too "orange") on some versions (mostly the VOS versions). But, the bevels and horn tapers were within those early spec's. Even the early-mid '60's SG's varied a little bit, in that regard. The 2013 SG's, to me, were about as good/accurate as they've been, spec wise, in a LONG time! And, across the SG line...not on just a couple of models. But, that was then, this is now! I STILL don't know why, they've decided to go back to the lesser bevels and no horn tapering, on the "T" models. The HP models seem to retain more of the beveling of the early years. Why make two different body spec's. What's next... "Norlin" era SG bodies with little to NO beveling? (Heavy Sigh!) (Yes, I AM a "nut" about proper beveling and horn tapering!) CB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aster1 Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 Thanks for the info. I do like my SG now that it's warmed up to me. Don't know what/why it happened as I didn't like it much at all when I got it. I love the way it play/sounds now. Aster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie brown Posted November 30, 2015 Author Share Posted November 30, 2015 Thanks for the info. I do like my SG now that it's warmed up to me. Don't know what/why it happened as I didn't like it much at all when I got it. I love the way it play/sounds now. Aster Well, SG's can be an acquired taste, for some, just as any guitar can be. My problem, is they're addictive! LOL My other guitars tend to be played less, since acquiring my SG's. CB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stein Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 Thanks for the info. I do like my SG now that it's warmed up to me. Don't know what/why it happened as I didn't like it much at all when I got it. I love the way it play/sounds now. Aster Well, SG's can be an acquired taste, for some, just as any guitar can be. My problem, is they're addictive! LOL My other guitars tend to be played less, since acquiring my SG's. CB I would be all over the SG, except I'm kinda a bigger guy. I'm an inch shorter than I used to be, but a few inches wider. Guitars, they just keep getting smaller! SG is really small on me, and a bit hard to hold onto, but the LP is getting that way as well. I guess MY version, my next guitar, is 335 style. Like that long neck...same thing as an SG really. Except they aren't light. And I like light guitars. I DO prefer to play my Special more than the LP. Something about that all hog thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sellen Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 '61 reissues were certainly a lot closer, to the originals. There were some concerns, about the color (being too light, or too "orange") on some versions (mostly the VOS versions). But, the bevels and horn tapers were within those early spec's. Even the early-mid '60's SG's varied a little bit, in that regard. The 2013 SG's, to me, were about as good/accurate as they've been, spec wise, in a LONG time! And, across the SG line...not on just a couple of models. But, that was then, this is now! I STILL don't know why, they've decided to go back to the lesser bevels and no horn tapering, on the "T" models. The HP models seem to retain more of the beveling of the early years. Why make two different body spec's. What's next... "Norlin" era SG bodies with little to NO beveling? (Heavy Sigh!) (Yes, I AM a "nut" about proper beveling and horn tapering!) CB The bevels on the 61 reissue have slightly change over the years. Without google it, i think late 90's early 2000 has the deep bevels. Mid 2000 slightly less bevels, and i do think they might got the deeper bevels around 2010 The Gibson USA line have different hardware and building speck than the Cs or the original, and that do have a impact on the sound. Having said that, i'm not a snob and saying the CS i better But played unplugged the Cs has a different signature sound than the USA line up, yea i know its a bit different anyhow even between Cs models or USA models. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie brown Posted November 30, 2015 Author Share Posted November 30, 2015 To my eye's the Gibson official Sg '13 catalog, might be their best ever!! I agree. And, I wonder if it wasn't the best sales year, for SG's, in a long time, as well? Most (if not all?) comments by SG lovers were very positive, about the 2013 model year. I certainly loved that year's models, as after not owning any SG's since the '60's, I bought 1 in December 2012 ('61 SG Satin), and 3 more (Original, Kirk Douglas Custom, and '61 Tribute), as they came out, in 2013. (Yes, I went SG "Crazy," that year, for sure!) I love the CS versions, as well. However, when I was looking at getting an SG again, I compared a couple of CS SG's (one with stop bar, the other with a Lyre vibrato), to the newly released "Original" at my dealer, and found the "Original" to be as nice, in both fit and finish, and "better" in unplugged resonance! Plugged in, they sounded pretty much the same. The CS versions have VOS finishes, and "aged nickel" hardware, along with the slightly more (accurately) squared headstock. But, the lovely grain pattern on my "Original" made it "The One," for me! CB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sellen Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 I agree. And, I wonder if it wasn't the best sales year, for SG's, in a long time, as well? Most (if not all?) comments by SG lovers were very positive, about the 2013 model year. I certainly loved that year's models, as after not owning any SG's since the '60's, I bought 1 in December 2012 ('61 SG Satin), and 3 more (Original, Kirk Douglas Custom, and '61 Tribute), as they came out, in 2013. (Yes, I went SG "Crazy," that year, for sure!) I love the CS versions, as well. However, when I was looking at getting an SG again, I compared a couple of CS SG's (one with stop bar, the other with a Lyre vibrato), to the newly released "Original" at my dealer, and found the "Original" to be as nice, in both fit and finish, and "better" in unplugged resonance! Plugged in, they sounded pretty much the same. The CS versions have VOS finishes, and "aged nickel" hardware, along with the slightly more (accurately) squared headstock. But, the lovely grain pattern on my "Original" made it "The One," for me! CB Yea i agree with the resonance, my original do resonate better then my sg cs standard But the Cs has a different voice, and i think that's in general with the historic line up. I suspect that the main reason is that the bridge pin/anchor is screwed directly to the wood, and the ABR1 with alu stop-bar. The vos can also play a part here. BTW did a little upgrade on the Original that made her more stable and i like to think it sounded even better(could be placebo) First thing a Bone nut Then i bought these Includes one pair of STEEL studs and thumbwheels and a hard plastic installation tool and a 5mm bolt to remove the old Nashville bridge inserts. And a Locking bridge from Tonepros I is super stable after this mod and i felt that pinch harmonics got better after the upgrade Anyway love 'em both Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamGuy Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 The Derek Trucks model I had for a short while was very beveled... significantly more so than the '03 '61 RI I have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quapman Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 LOL! Well...Admittedly, I'm a bit "fanatic," about the kind of SG beveling and horn tapering, that "I" like. Welcome to the first step. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie brown Posted December 3, 2015 Author Share Posted December 3, 2015 Welcome to the first step. :) Acknowledging my fanaticism? LOL CB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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