noobzilla Posted February 17, 2008 Share Posted February 17, 2008 Well, after over 300 live shows under my belt, I gotta say, Im thru with Gibson.. Im tired of paying 3 grand for guitars that dont hold up to real world use. Im not one of these rich rock stars who can afford to buy a new one every week...nor enough to have 20 on the truck for backups.. My latest beef.. electronics.. The wiring on my last les paul custom was so bad, they failed on the 2nd gig. We actually had to stop the song while I changed axes.. Pathetic. You would think paying $2000-$3000 for a new guitar that you wouldnt have a problem like this for years of usage.. Ive had 2 Epiphone Les Pauls since the early 90s, one standard, one custom that i have used as backups on stage for years.. They have never failed. I had the pickups in the standard changed to Duncans, but other than that, theyre both stock..original pots, original wiring, original hardware.. Id put either of them up against any Gibson LP any day of the week.. I actually used the standard in the studio on our first CD.. When you buy Gibson, youre paying 50% for that little "Gibson" logo on the headstock.. and 50% for the guitar itself.. A damn shame.. Ive had it with them.. Its a shame that Epiphone gets such a bad rap/rep , With the right Epi, you get the same quality.. for 1/3 the price.. Ive got 4 Gibson LPs on ebay for sale as we speak.. keeping my Epis.. Will buy EPSs to replace the Gibsons.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdgails Posted February 17, 2008 Share Posted February 17, 2008 i dont think epis get a bad rap. The crowd cannot tell whether its a gibson or epi. hell, the only people u would bash an epi would be some guitar snob in the crowd. you think the chicks in the crowd care? They dont know what a gibson or epi is! Always play what u like, not the name on the headstock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randy1281734003 Posted February 17, 2008 Share Posted February 17, 2008 I don't need no stinkin Gibson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheX Posted February 17, 2008 Share Posted February 17, 2008 Message me the links to the 4 LP's on the boards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PJ Posted February 17, 2008 Share Posted February 17, 2008 I've always perceived Gibsons are more collector guitars, or, as you say, for Rock Stars who can buy 'em whenever they need 'em. I've always been concerned about all the snapped-off headstocks I see. I wans't aware that the electronics were also an issue with the newer Gibsons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
primeguy31 Posted February 17, 2008 Share Posted February 17, 2008 i agree about the whole gibby thing-- overpriced for no reason... i have a Gib LP Classic in Zebrawood that i hardly ever touch, cuz my Epi Classic kicks *** as-is, and i'd like to preserve the gib to sell it if i can find a buyer... if anyone's interested in my Gib, i'll take $1100 for it. email me at primeguy31@yahoo.com for pics...it's gorgeous, but my Epi's good enough for me; dont need the Gib.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
volt1281734017 Posted February 17, 2008 Share Posted February 17, 2008 I guess they don't make 'em like they used to. In the seven years I played music for a living I never had any equipment failures other than the occasional broken string. I played Gibson and Guild guitars and Fender amps. Condolences for your Shmibson woes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sexygibson Posted February 17, 2008 Share Posted February 17, 2008 See that photo in my avatar. Thats my '07 Gibby L.P. Standard. Did paying over two grand make me a better player ? Nope. Does it sound better than my Epis ? Not really. Nice guitar but I could get by with my Epis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickblues1 Posted February 17, 2008 Share Posted February 17, 2008 I opened up the switch cavity on a little Gibby Special I have. I could not believe how skinny the wire was. Now I am used to Fender Strat wiring, nice big fat wires everywhere. Guess I will have to re-wire the whole thing. Heck, pencil lead is thicker. I think your paying 65% for the logo. Cause it sure is not the electronics. My Dot has thicker wire in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noobzilla Posted February 17, 2008 Author Share Posted February 17, 2008 I guess its hard to say Epis get a bad rep, as I stated above...but you dont see em played by the big boys..and thats a shame.. They can afford the Gibson..dozens of them.. Frankly, Id like to see more of them on stage..more of them on the videos...etc.. For that matter, Id like to see Gibson sell Epiphone to someone else.. Gibson just strikes my last nerve over the past few years.. My local guitar shop had a dozen Epis and 6 or 8 Gibsons on the racks and the Gibson rep came in and told them to take the Gibsons off the shelf because he wasnt an authorized dealer.. Screw that. The whole purpose there is to keep their price up. If Gibson controls the dealers, they control the price. So much for the customer eh... Theyre ripping people off, bigtime..but I know most of you already know this.. I fell into the fascination of owning a Gibson over an Epi in the 90s.. I just had to have the Gibson... It took me 15 years to realize I was wasting my money for no reason..all because I was fascinated with the silly logo. Buy a Epi LP Standard, change the pickups for $100 and youre in business.. Or spend a couple hundred more for the Epi LP Custom and you got yourself a hot axe for 1/3 the price.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayGLongBeach Posted February 17, 2008 Share Posted February 17, 2008 Yeah... But.... Every other weekend it is nice to take out the ole corvette convertible and take it out for a spin... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lerxst1281733995 Posted February 17, 2008 Share Posted February 17, 2008 My local guitar shop had a dozen Epis and 6 or 8 Gibsons on the racks and the Gibson rep came in and told them to take the Gibsons off the shelf because he wasnt an authorized dealer.. Screw that. The whole purpose there is to keep their price up. If Gibson controls the dealers' date=' they control the price. So much for the customer eh... Theyre ripping people off, bigtime..but I know most of you already know this.. [/quote'] Gibson doesn't want mom and pop dealers anymore because they can't move enough product.. They just want to deal with the big box stores like Guitar Center... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluefoxicy Posted February 17, 2008 Share Posted February 17, 2008 I guess its hard to say Epis get a bad rep' date=' as I stated above...but you dont see em played by the big boys..and thats a shame..[/quote'] The Beatles use Epiphones on stage to play certain songs. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Epiphone_players Paul McCartney - acquired a blond Epiphone Texan acoustic guitar in 1965. He used it extensively for writing and he performed the song "Yesterday" on it during his appearance on the Ed Sullivan show. He still uses this guitar to perform "Yesterday" in current concerts. Lennon's Casino' date=' first used on the album Revolver' date=' became his main studio and stage guitar both with The Beatles and as a solo artist.[/quote''] Ace Frehley (Kiss) - uses a customized Les Paul with Dimarzio humbuckers. Hey so do I And here's the killer. Les Paul - used Epiphone guitars for recording from the early 1940's until the late 1950's' date=' even after his signature Gibsons were produced. The Epiphones were highly customized models with his own pickups on them.[/quote'] ... it's his friggin' guitar, he told Gibson how to make it, and then went and bought Epiphones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 17, 2008 Share Posted February 17, 2008 ... it's his friggin' guitar' date=' he told Gibson how to make it, and then went and bought Epiphones.[/quote'] That would be Ted McCarty...and he bought *all* of the Epiphones...and those Epiphones that the Beatles were using... those were actually Gibsons...so what exactly are you trying to say? ...and Al's your uncle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lerxst1281733995 Posted February 17, 2008 Share Posted February 17, 2008 ... it's his friggin' guitar' date=' he told Gibson how to make it, and then went and bought Epiphones.[/quote'] What the hell are you talking about?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluefoxicy Posted February 17, 2008 Share Posted February 17, 2008 and those Epiphones that the Beatles were using... those were actually Gibsons... Most of these people have Gibsons or use Gibsons as their main stage guitars; McCartney uses a Gibson Les Paul 1960 as his main stage guitar, he whips out the Epiphone for "Yesterday" though. The point is a lot of these people buy, have bought, or learned using Epiphones; and in some cases they've recorded with Epiphones (Yesterday, some of Les Paul's stuff, etc) even if they perform the song live with Gibsons (Les Paul...). (Similarly, Eric Johnson recorded Cliffs of Dover on a GS, but plays it live on a Stratocaster... go figure.) Gibson is not "the end all be all of guitars" and Epiphone is not a toy that poor people who aren't rock stars play with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluefoxicy Posted February 17, 2008 Share Posted February 17, 2008 What the hell are you talking about?? The "Les Paul" model of guitar was designed by Gibson based on some of the designs of a guitarist named (coincidently) Les Paul. They took these basic designs to him and hired him as a consultant to help work on the final product; according to Wikipedia, for a time he recorded using Epiphone Les Pauls even though he had to be seen in public with Gibsons due to an endorsement contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 17, 2008 Share Posted February 17, 2008 The "Les Paul" model of guitar was designed by Gibson based on some of the designs of a guitarist named (coincidently) Les Paul. They took these basic designs to him and hired him as a consultant to help work on the final product; according to Wikipedia' date=' for a time he recorded using Epiphone Les Pauls even though he had to be seen in public with Gibsons due to an endorsement contract.[/quote'] You really need to read more than Wikipedia. ...and Al's your uncle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lerxst1281733995 Posted February 17, 2008 Share Posted February 17, 2008 Most of these people have Gibsons or use Gibsons as their main stage guitars; McCartney uses a Gibson Les Paul 1960 as his main stage guitar' date=' he whips out the Epiphone for "Yesterday" though. The point is a lot of these people buy, have bought, or learned using Epiphones; and in some cases they've recorded with Epiphones (Yesterday, some of Les Paul's stuff, etc) even if they perform the song live with Gibsons (Les Paul...). (Similarly, Eric Johnson recorded Cliffs of Dover on a GS, but plays it live on a Stratocaster... go figure.) Gibson is not "the end all be all of guitars" and Epiphone is not a toy that poor people who aren't rock stars play with.[/quote'] The Epiphones that the Beatles used were made in Gibson's Kalamazoo factory, side-by-side with their Gibson counterparts, to the same specs and the same quality... So, ostensibly, they WERE Gibson guitars with the name "Epiphone" on the headstock... The Epiphones that you see Lennon and McCartney playing are of a much higher quality than the Asian made Epiphones we have today.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rented Posted February 17, 2008 Share Posted February 17, 2008 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lerxst1281733995 Posted February 17, 2008 Share Posted February 17, 2008 You really need to read more than Wikipedia. ...and Al's your uncle. Hey, isn't this the "information age"?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 17, 2008 Share Posted February 17, 2008 Hey' date=' isn't this the "information age"?? [/quote'] Unfortunately any idiot with a computer can make a Wikipedia entry..I just wish people that wanted to quote and use anecdotal references would at least read some accepted texts such as "The Les Paul Book" by Tony Bacon and Paul Day, "American Guitars" by Tom Wheeler, or "Gibson Guitars 100 Years Of An American Icon" by Walter Carter.. ...what's this I hear? Britney's going on tour????..... "so you, thought you..might like to go to the show..to feel the warm thrill of confuson...that space cadet glow..." ..and Al's your uncle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluefoxicy Posted February 18, 2008 Share Posted February 18, 2008 Unfortunately any idiot with a computer can make a Wikipedia entry.. This is true. Moreover, that article doesn't really cite any sources; and the people referenced don't have information in their articles about their Epiphones (mind you, their articles are bigger and held to higher quality standards, and probably locked such that only accounts with an established non-reverted edit history can make changes). I shouldn't have quoted Wikipedia in quite that manner from that particular article. Laws of probability and the way Wikipedia is designed makes it likely that most if not all information on articles is accurate in the case of big, popular articles (like the articles on Facebook or Barack Obama); but that one is a specific example of an article needing strong scrutiny. Even assuming factual accuracy, there's a lot of information left out (like that the Beatles' Epiphones are Gibsons with Epiphone scribbled on them?) and you can pretty much assume these people owned an Epiphone at some time or another for some odd reason, not necessarily that they ever played it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lerxst1281733995 Posted February 18, 2008 Share Posted February 18, 2008 like that the Beatles' Epiphones are Gibsons with Epiphone scribbled on them? Now did I say that?? Or are you deliberately trying to miss the point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 18, 2008 Share Posted February 18, 2008 Now did I say that?? Or are you deliberately trying to miss the point? I think I said *that*...well, if I didn't I meant to. ...and Al's your uncle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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