So a guy walks into a guitar shop

[Golem]

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OK I think I got a near perfect 'Rambrunt vs Copy' scene:

 

A famous artist/photographer is still alive, working, and

in good health. He personally oversees a darkroom staff

who produce new prints that meet his own high standards,

and he signs these with his approving signature, like his

staff are just more of his tools.

 

A signed, new, perfect and archival quality 11x14 print

from negative #123XYZ sells for $2000 and is a very

good collector's investment.

 

You can also buy a carefully made "study print" with his

name rubber stamped and initials hand written, very well

printed and properly made, also 11x14, for $250. In some

VERY minor ways, this IS inferior to the $2000 version,

but for $250 you can hang it on the wall and enjoy it, even

tho your house may not have museum grade security, or

a halon fire fighting system !

 

BTW, negative #123XYZ was originally printed for a rush

delivery of publicity portraits, 35 years ago. At that time

the prints were commercial 5x7 glossies on cheap paper,

using not the freshest of chemicals, etc, and were sold to

the subject of the portrait for a routine, quite inexpensive,

commercial price. They're FAR from archival and the few

remaining today are somewhat discolored, a bit cracked,

etc. They have only a rubber stamped studio name on the

back and an address like NY 12, NY ... meaning these are

pre-zip-code, definitely old. Acoarst no more old ratty low

grade prints are being made, so the supply is now finite,

and they are documentably "vintage" .... so they sell at

galleries and auctions for $5000 and UP ! ! !

 

Get the point ? These $5000 5x7's are vastly inferior to the

$2000 11x14 "modern master" prints. They are also vastly

inferior to the $250 11x14 modern "study prints", which at

least have the artist's own handwritten initials as well as the

rubber stamped info on the back. But the $5000+ ratty old

5x7s are VINTAGE. They are THE original product, even

if the newer product 35 years later is superior ! "Vintage"

is also a "label", and a great and sorry-assed example of

"What price for a label ?" or "What price for originality ?"

 

 

 

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[SG FAN]

I am sure most major brand guitars are, for the most part, not hand built. But as far as I know the neck sanding and final assembly are done by hand on Gibsons, I don't know about the other brands. As far as cost to build, I understand why Gibsons cost more (maybe not as much as they do). Gibson's still use nitro lacquer, not the same formula as the old type but still close. Don't fool yourself, there is no such thing as fast drying nitro lacquer, therefore Fender or Ibenez could build several bolt neck, poly finished guitars before the nitro cures on one Gibby. As far as Gibson's being overpriced, the SG Standard is on par, pricewise with American Standard Strats and Teles. I know that all mass produced Guitars are overpriced to a certain extent, but I don't understand why Gibson gets all the crap it does in this respect. On the subject of luthier, handmade guitars, a fellow by the name of Roman Rist makes one that, I'm 95% sure, will blow Ed Roman's product out of the water.

[zigzag]

I don't know how Gibson formulates their nitrocellulose lacquers, and I'm sure if they are sprayed, very slow solvents are used. But the fact is that the slower evaporating solvents are lean solvents for the NC resins. NC lacquers formulated with ethyl acetate, isopropyl acetate, acetone, or methyl ethyl ketone will dry extremely quickly, unless the NC resin is modified with other resins or plasticizers.

[Andy R]

I don't know how Gibson formulates their nitrocellulose lacquers, and I'm sure if they are sprayed, very slow solvents are used. But the fact is that the slower evaporating solvents are lean solvents for the NC resins. NC lacquers formulated with ethyl acetate, isopropyl acetate, acetone, or methyl ethyl ketone will dry extremely quickly, unless the NC resin is modified with other resins or plasticizers.

 

Wow man I may have to sniff some of that stuff to absorb all that knowledge you just through out there!

[Andy R]

So is the Gibson Slash model a clone of a clone????????? [scared] [scared]

[Golem]

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...... Don't fool yourself, there is no such thing

as fast drying nitro lacquer, therefore Fender

or Ibenez could build several bolt neck, poly

finished guitars before the nitro cures on one

Gibby. ......

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As someone who's about to be laid off, I'll

take a job that pays me to watch paint dry !

 

Real point is ... just as Fender is building

several guitars while the nitro is drying on

one [one??] Gibby; so Gibson, too, builds

several guitars while the nitro is drying on

several Gibbies. Drying several at a time

takes no longer than drying one at a time.

 

So, there really IS no work in Nashville for

us Certified Watchers of Drying Paint.

 

 

 

 

 

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[SG FAN]

I don't know how Gibson formulates their nitrocellulose lacquers, and I'm sure if they are sprayed, very slow solvents are used. But the fact is that the slower evaporating solvents are lean solvents for the NC resins. NC lacquers formulated with ethyl acetate, isopropyl acetate, acetone, or methyl ethyl ketone will dry extremely quickly, unless the NC resin is modified with other resins or plasticizers.

Drying to the touch and fully curing to the point of being ready to polish are two different things. I'm not just talking out of my *** here, I've refinished one of my SGs that was a faded in nitro. The paint did dry to the touch rather quickly, but it was about a month before it was cured enough to wet sand and polish.

[SG FAN]

I guess my point was that a set neck nitro finished guitar takes more labor to build than a bolt neck poly finished guitar. Thank you for your time:)

[ChanMan]

There's not really any guesswork on the making of, as there is plenty of video showing the process.

 

Here are some I've found

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0h8daIvt2M

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZxLiPF9bTo&feature=related