The Riddler Posted June 25, 2008 Share Posted June 25, 2008 I am looking to disassemble my grover tuners ( to replace the tuning key for a vintage type ) because the holes in the headstock are too big for the vintage tuners I want to fit. I know the Grover tuners are a die cast housing but by the looks of it, the circular convex cover on the back of the tuner is where I need to get to. Does anyone know how to remove this cover? Any help would be greatly appreciated! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricochet Posted June 25, 2008 Share Posted June 25, 2008 I'm not sure what you want to do here? Remove the old Grovers by unhexing the nuts on the front of the headstock, and removing the little screws at the back. Use conversion bushings to fit vintage style tuners. http://www.stewmac.com/shop/Tuners/Tuner_parts/Tuner_Bushings.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goldie Posted June 25, 2008 Share Posted June 25, 2008 If you want to change the key, remove the screw at the top of the existing key and it should come right off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Bob Posted June 25, 2008 Share Posted June 25, 2008 How does one disassemble a Grover Tuner? ... I think the answer here is that you don't. That's not to say that you can't - if you're really determined - but the time spent would be better spent playing the guitar. If I have the problem right: you'd like to change to vintage keys, but the tuners with vintage keys don't fit the holes in the headstock, so you want to change the key and shaft in the Grover bodies that do already fit the holes. Those domes on the back look to me like what, when I was a lad, were called Walsh washers. A domed disk that is sprung in to a groove to form a seal. Getting them out would be a Hell of a job and would certainly wreck the washer (you'd need to fit new washers). The there's no guarantee the drive shafts would match up, and goodness knows what he tuning would be like if you managed it. I applaud your inquiring mind, but take Ricochet's advise and use conversion bushings so the vintage tuners fit the existing holes, if you cant do what Goldie says and just swap the buttons over. Sometimes the buttons aren't interchangeable either. Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Funkwire Posted June 25, 2008 Share Posted June 25, 2008 Don't mess with the tuners. If all you want to do is change the buttons, they unscrew from the shaft. You dont want to open the casing or anything like that. It's not necessary. Grover sells replacement buttons in pearl, wood, etc. HOWEVER... I don't believe there is a replacement button that looks like the keystone knob. Keystones are molded around the shaft, not held in place with a screw. GFS has vintage keystone tuners. A set of their conversion bushings will allow you to put them on an Epi. Or better yet, get the Grover vintage keystones. They're the same size as the regular Grovers. I put a set on my LP with no trouble at all. They look fantastic and work great. Do a forum search on tuners...that's where I was able to get the information I needed on what tuners to buy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesstringer Posted June 25, 2008 Share Posted June 25, 2008 Any of the aforementioned suggestion will work, if you attampt to disassemble the tuners, you will almost assuredly destroy them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billybob Dylan Posted June 25, 2008 Share Posted June 25, 2008 Why not just buy a set of vintage keystone tuners made by Grover? I bought a set from StewMac for my Dot, and they just drop right in. If memory serves, Grovers require a 10 mm. hole in the peghead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biff Posted June 25, 2008 Share Posted June 25, 2008 Grovers are a regular worm and gear assembly just like the open tuners, but they are held together differently. The string post and gear are inserted through the big hole in the back, a round plug covers the hole. The worm is slipped into the housing and it is retained by the button screwed on at the other end: Just replace the buttons or use drop in replacement tuners, for goodness' sake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Riddler Posted June 25, 2008 Author Share Posted June 25, 2008 WOW, thanks for the quick responses and advice guys. I think the right thing to do is to not disassemble the grover tuners after all and buy the vintage conversion bushes ( Thanks for the link Ricochet! ). I was talking to a guitar tech today also and he recommended to fit a wooden dowel into the tuner holes and drill the center out to what ever size I needed ( making a full length bush ). Thanks again guys, Glad I have found a supportive and positive community that all share the same goal. To change perspectives, one note at a time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesstringer Posted June 25, 2008 Share Posted June 25, 2008 WOW' date=' thanks for the quick responses and advice guys. I think the right thing to do is to not disassemble the grover tuners after all and buy the vintage conversion bushes ( Thanks for the link Ricochet! ).I was talking to a guitar tech today also and he recommended to fit a wooden dowel into the tuner holes and drill the center out to what ever size I needed ( making a full length bush ). Thanks again guys, Glad I have found a supportive and positive community that all share the same goal. To change perspectives, one note at a time.[/quote'] Again, Welcome, glad you came to that decision bro ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suicidehummer Posted June 25, 2008 Share Posted June 25, 2008 May be too late, but what Epi do you have? The Gibson tuners fit on my LP. It was tough, but they fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Riddler Posted June 26, 2008 Author Share Posted June 26, 2008 May be too late' date=' but what Epi do you have? The Gibson tuners fit on my LP. It was tough, but they fit.[/quote'] Not too late yet Suicidehummer, I have a LP Standard. Which style of Gibson tuners did you fit? Did you need to drill anymore holes for screws in the back of the head? The tuners I am trying to fit ( like on Slash's LP ) require drilling of 2 x holes in the back of the headstock. I don't like the idea of swiss cheesing my head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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