BluesKing777
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Here is my extended version of Neil Young's "Long May You Run" on my 2005 Dove...
Instead of doing the tune in a hurry, this version is sort of like the extended one I played yesterday while visitors were here and we sat out the back veranda - me playing - they talking!
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A bit of a shame - poor old lovey dovey...
There doesn't appear to be anything holding the top up around that crack - probably the braces fell of when someone got donged on the head by a wife? Unhappy customer?
The cracks at the end of the neck area indicate it has all moved, is that correct?
Since getting my 2005 Dove, I have noticed how similar they all look (in photos) over the years and there is a video on YT with a 76 of the evil era that looks a ringer for mine on the front at least. I have never seen, let alone played another Dove in my life...I don't think. Though I have played other skinny neck 60s Gibsons and I way prefer the 2005 'more modern' neck. I can fingerpick without too much restriction - the bridge space is tight but do-able! The maple is good for my bare finger fingerpicking too - clear and bright, while other 'bassy' dreads can go a bit dull without picks....
So what are other things on various year Doves to look out for with the new player in mind? (I have seen the videos at Normans with the Les Paul saddles!)
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A friend called me from interstate - because I work ON computers, he seems to think I know everything and can possibly fix his comp. I explained that I am simply ‘driving’ the computer like he drives his car and that I have absolutely no idea, and no need, to know how to fix one. I call our work help desk.
So he calls me again, doesn’t want to pay for Apple Play or other stream things and wants to rip his cd collection from his car onto the new fandangle he can plug in his new car ‘entertainment’ system. He had followed instructions to copy the cd’s contents but missed the step of getting the software to search the internet for the song name and details.......so he had a whole bunch of ‘track 1’. He had spent quite a long time getting this far. I looked up a youtube video that showed simply how to do all of it and sent it to him. Days later, he rang back, can’t do it, won’t work. He is about to go on a very long drive across the top of the country and wants to just have his music all running on the gadget.....
I asked him if the new thing had a cd player.......yep....I told him to give up, put the cds in his cd box and put the cd box on the other seat of his car and select any one he felt like and chuck it in the player.
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Thanks for the info, Bobouz!
Look what just landed at another shop - pins look good! Price not so...
https://www.acousticcentre.com.au/collections/gibson/products/gibson-j-45-1942-legend-preowned-2016
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48 minutes ago, j45nick said:
I just pulled out the semi-official J-45 plans from Stewmac. They show a 1942 bridge (rectangular), a 1950 bridge (belly-up, slot-through), and 1954 bridge (belly-up, drop-in). All have the pins at 3/16" centers (5mm) from the back edge.
I also re-checked my all-original 1950 J-45 (belly-up, slot-through), and the pins are at 3/8" (10mm). My other 1950 J-45 has a new bridge by Ross Teigen (belly-up, slot-through) with pins at 5/16" (8mm), but of course that bridge is a repro.
I then looked at photos from 1966 of that guitar's original bridge, and I would say the pins are much closer to 3/8 than 3/16". My two 1950's have FON's that probably date to within a few weeks of each other.
Let's face it: it's Gibson.
48 minutes ago, j45nick said:I just pulled out the semi-official J-45 plans from Stewmac. They show a 1942 bridge (rectangular), a 1950 bridge (belly-up, slot-through), and 1954 bridge (belly-up, drop-in). All have the pins at 3/16" centers (5mm) from the back edge.
I also re-checked my all-original 1950 J-45 (belly-up, slot-through), and the pins are at 3/8" (10mm). My other 1950 J-45 has a new bridge by Ross Teigen (belly-up, slot-through) with pins at 5/16" (8mm), but of course that bridge is a repro.
I then looked at photos from 1966 of that guitar's original bridge, and I would say the pins are much closer to 3/8 than 3/16". My two 1950's have FON's that probably date to within a few weeks of each other.
Let's face it: it's Gibson.
Thanks Nick for checking those, though I may be starting to drive you mad....😎😎😎
”But what do these guitars sound like at this shop, BK777?”... I hear everyone ask.
Don’t know - it is the stupidest shop I have ever been in! Their online thing has the guitar photos all digitally joined together, but you can scroll through them and isolate something that catches your eye, but only one pic of the front! And then....you go there, walk in and the Gibson J45 is somewhere in there hanging on a wire from the ceiling with the current official shop count of 979 guitars of ALL shapes and size. After I asked to try some, the guy said to help myself and walked off. Gulp...me, Bigfoot O’Klutzo tangling with that forest of wires and guitars. Nope. So he got one I asked for down and left me to try it, but get this - there is absolutely no place anywhere, anyhow to sit. Nowhere. Good, so we gonna sit on the floor? And to get up again, lean on all those guitars and wires? What’s the old pawn shop saying? “Nice to touch, nice to hold, if you drop it, consider it sold”. This did go through my mind. All too hard....
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Cool!
Fabulous!
I would go and watch that, but hey, it is an acoustic guitarist/vocalist!
Ditch the clowns and dancing fools, Ta Ta!
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Me again!
What happened to Sal and his new guit?
Anyways, not to harp on and at an amount of time that is way larger than the photo is worth, copying to a file and then to another and then to Imgur - because the shop links all their photos in one weirdo 'stream'....here is a pic of their 2018 Gibson Southern Jumbo on sale.
Now, one look at the pic and the bridge pin plan discussed earlier has obviously changed quite drastically!
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1 hour ago, Tman said:
Thanks Jinder and BK777. One thing I should have said in the original post is that before the fire we decided to downgrade our home insurance policy to save on the payments. What a bad mistake. I highly recommend insuring yourself to the max that you can handle because really bad things actually can and do happen sometimes.
Some insurance is better than none - in our last really horrific inferno, won’t go into details, many people had none. The govt now has made it compulsory.
That said, it is raining and thundering and I better check the flood insurance. Oh, that is right, they wouldn’t give us any, flood zone as well as fire zone.
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Great looking dog and not too shabby a piece of wood either!
We go through fire scares here in southern Australia every year and we have many days called Black Saturday etc - a hot galeforce wind blows through and destroys every thing in its path.
So we reluctantly try to accept that we may need to just....grab the dog and run...leave it all. I give it a lot of thought and hope it doesn’t happen. Dealing with the insurance people getting my flooded carpet replaced and my garage roller door repaired took 6 months and a long line of people traipsing in and out and I just don’t think I have the fortitude to deal with them and...rebuilding. So all the best and enjoy that maple!
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Excellent in all departments, Jinder!
And real drums this time?
Apart from the selling your soul going ‘electric’ and not solo acoustic/vocals, the only, only criticism I have is you need a cherry red so you don’t need to do black and white!😎
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12 hours ago, j45nick said:
"Historical accuracy" and "vintage specs" for Gibson are moving targets. My 100% original "new" 1950 J-45 has the pins centered just under 3/8" (actually 9mm) forward of the back edge of the bridge.
Sorry again, Sal, for the hijackery, but pin placement may be important!
I was looking at an article(review) about another acoustic and the pins on both their products were in quite a way from the bridge edge, but get this.....then the saddles were almost touching the front edge! The Gibson placement is probably better with all the forces going towards the nut.
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Here is a new Gibson J45 Vintage at the Acoustic Centre, Melbourne. It is close as well!
I have had 2 bridges split - my Blues King L-00 and my LG1...just opened up the case and there you go. Either way, this new Gibson in the link has been there since before Gibson went broke....someone needs to step up and put it out of it's misery.😎😎😎
It is a brave chappie to visit this shop, let me tell you. They have all the stuff (at twice the price!)!
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15 hours ago, bobouz said:
That might be a bit of an optical illusion. I have a 2002 J-45 Rosewood, as well as belly-up Montana bridges on other instruments from 2007, 2012, 2013, and 2015. My quickie eyeball test says they're all the same. The one difference is that the pearl dots are set a bit lower on the 2002.
Back in the '70s, I used to worry quite a bit about that lack of glue space on belly-up bridges. To date, I've never had a lifting issue with any Montana belly-up bridge - but I do think it's important to make sure the ball of each string is properly seated on the bridgeplate after installation (I use an automotive inspection mirror & flashlight).
All of that said, in my experience the early 2000s were very good years for Gibson slope-shoulders. Along with the J-45 Rosewood, I also had a J-50 and two WM-45s from that era. All of them were tonally very nice, but this particular 2002 stands out for me in the dry & woody department.
Sorry to hijack your thread, Sal.
At great expense to management, I have copied somehow to my Imgur, the J45 photo with the pins close to the edge as mentioned - what do you think?:
I prefer where the pins on my Dove are!
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First step is to measure the soundhole - they can all be very different, but Gibson DREADS are usually close to 4" and Planet Waves happens to have one:
How will this improve recording with a piezo? The plug is best with a dual source pickup with a mic - turn the mic right up.
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No, but if you don't want to be so 'permanent', this place sells bat wing inlay stickers!
https://www.inlaystickers.com/products/bat-wing-fret-markers
Here is a video of the Bats In Flight from MF:
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19 minutes ago, bobouz said:
That might be a bit of an optical illusion. I have a 2002 J-45 Rosewood, as well as belly-up Montana bridges on other instruments from 2007, 2012, 2013, and 2015. My quickie eyeball test says they're all the same. The one difference is that the pearl dots are set a bit lower on the 2002.
Back in the '70s, I used to worry quite a bit about that lack of glue space on belly-up bridges. To date, I've never had a lifting issue with any Montana belly-up bridge - but I do think it's important to make sure the ball of each string is properly seated on the bridgeplate after installation (I use an automotive inspection mirror & flashlight).
All of that said, in my experience the early 2000s were very good years for Gibson slope-shoulders. Along with the J-45 Rosewood, I also had a J-50 and two WM-45s from that era. All of them were tonally very nice, but this particular 2002 stands out for me in the dry & woody department.
Thanks Bobouz!
Perfect on-the -ground information!
The shop with the J45 has a weird list structure where you have to view ALL their Gibsons, so I can't link just the J45 on its own. It is possible I could be playing it at the shop before I can get their photo copied to this forum!
I have to say that after a few weeks of Dove cherry red ownership, the J looks a little bit...plain. Maybe I need a cherry J!
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Yep, exactly what I was thinking, Sal.
10 YO wood. Plus. (I got a great deal on my Dove ‘cos someone wrote on it - I don’t give a twist - character!).
So I’m looking at the ‘not played oftens’ under the basement stairs, scratching my chin deciding what could go? It is getting urgent now.😎😎😎
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Double that price here, Sal, for everything...
Guitar fund is sad after the Dove buy, but you know, we need to study up.
Previously, I have watched the wanted ads for a 55/56/57 J45 but it is too hard to import with CITES of late...unless one appears right here, right now! ☺️ Now the rot has set in about getting a used Gibson J45 with the more modern 1.725" nut etc, after my recent purchase of a 2005 Gibson Dove - you know, that fine line between broken in and broken and worn in/worn out. Dove is nearly 15 years old so that is about where I hope to find a J45... I may just get the pawn shop 2002 Standard - 17 year old sitka top was nice for fingerpicking when I bought the Dove. So fingerpicking and new Adi tops isn't on my list ever again - sold a couple of Martin adi's previously when it was obvious that bare fingerpicking was going to take aproximately 400 years to break in the Adi. even my OM Authentic with torrefied top is going to be a while, but that sounds wonderful and is STAYING.😎
So, a Standard or a TV played hard from 2000 - 2005?
P.S. I have a great mechanic if I need but he is incredibly busy, so.....
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Very cool!
Would be a great country blues guitar, I can tell looking at it!
Well done!
Better go play my black special L50.😳
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5 hours ago, Salfromchatham said:
First, congratulations on the upcoming.
One?
ONE?
Phew! (There was a local songster years ago had a tune that went - "One is the loneliest number...etc").
I know we only need one and I could squeeze down to one but only with unemployment, taxes, or something looming....even at my lowest points financially over the years, eg, playing in rotten blues bands and then ha! solo - even then I had at least 3 or 4 or 5 guitars that absolutely nobody else wanted.
So that said, I couldn't really make a J45 of any type the only guitar as the bridge string spacing is a bit tight for fingerpicking...it can be done, but a bit tight. My recent Dove is tight but do-able.
BUT....I AM interested in getting perhaps a very used J45 TV. (I want, I want, I want). They are thin on the ground to try around here, let me tell you (NONE). The only ones at hand in shops to try are a brand new J45 Vintage at $AU 7,600, a Standard at 4,400 or something and a 2002 Standard at a pawn shop for 2,800. So it is them or gulp...online.
So give it to us Sal and others - what is the best year for a TV and what are we looking out for? (The 2002 Standard at the pawn shop has the bridge pins alarmingly close to the back of the bridge and I have noticed that in a few of that year on Reverb.com...
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Yes, it looks a bit like my 1935 Gibson Black Special #4....
Sketchy details around the internet if you search. ie:
https://reverb.com/item/5835033-gibson-black-special-4-arch-top-acoustic-guitar-1937-ser-581-c-9
But mine is basically a Gibson L50 with a flat back (great for acoustic blues, I have been told) and painted black - most were handed to Gibson dealers, I was also told.
Mine has a big V neck that is identical almost to my necks on my Waterloo WL-14s and I had a Schatten Bridge pickup exchanged for the original bridge (still in the case).:
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Thanks Lars and KC!
Forgot to mention the mic - Neumann KM184 with a windsock to stop fffsts and ssssss explosions from voice...Allen and Heath 4 channel mixer with their reverb/delay effect #3 and all EQ run dead flat. USB direct out of mixer to iMac/Garageband.
(I made a few clangers in the track - hard to get use to the standard bridge space, whatever that is.)
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Yes - more Dove Love with my acoustic version of Dylan's "Tonight I'll Be Staying Here With You"...
A short work in progress with just one mic in the middle for guitar and vocal. And..new strings! (Elixir PB12s).
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I could definitely find a spot for it in the old junker collection near the stairs in the basement. How defiant is that?
Wonder what is under the guard? Black? Definitely?
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Thanks Nick.
Forgot to mention the tech, sorry.
The Dove came with the full Anthem pickup when I bought it! What a deal, I got here, ha!
The guitar and my vocal are run to my Boss VE8 preamp and direct to record. On the guitar channel, I have not one single thing on except the volume knob. The input is just really nice with the Anthem. The vocal is through a Shure plain jane SM58 with a splash of reverb. I like it - I think it all sounds 'live'.
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