[A lucky friend - Fender content]

12 minutes ago, Twang Gang said:

Well it was Mother's Day so gifts were appropriate?

Well, in MY case, I'd never get a gift on Mother's day.  As a brother in law of mine would say----"I got the wrong build for that."  

But, if there's ever a  MOTHERF**KER'S DAY,   I'll gladly welcome all presents.  

Whitefang

[Gibson Garage Grand Opening Guitar Giveaway]

On 5/10/2021 at 10:42 PM, Retired said:

I got a mail telling me to sign up, I deleted it.  No way would I win. Dietze was also giving a guitar away per week but at a discounted price the month of April. 

If there's ANY price connected, discounted or not, you can't call it a "giveaway"!  

Whitefang

[Deviations of song lyrics]

15 hours ago, Retired said:

There have been several songs in the past where I thought they were singing one word and it was totally different.  

That would make it a mondegreen, which the OP said he wasn't intending to mean.   He meant the changing the lyrics of some songs to make it mean something else.    For instance....

The local "classic rock" station here in the Metro Detroit area, WCSX FM back in '98 did a parody about then Washington Capitals' goalie Oleg Kolzig,  as the Red Wings were in a Stanley cup battle with them at the time, and changed the Title and Lyrics to Roy Orbison's "Only The Lonely" to-----

We swept them as easy as we did Philadelphia the previous season!  

Whitefang

[Monkee farewell tour]

14 hours ago, Retired said:

Sorry I missed it but I didn't have the time to read through every post! 

S'alright, man.  

14 hours ago, Retired said:

And Joni Mitchell.  Deb named a bunch of them. 

Yep. She hung out for a time at the Troubadour.  Not hard to imagine David Crosby among that bunch as well.  

 

11 hours ago, Sgt. Pepper said:

The piano and her vocals on the song Court And Spark gives me chills when I listen to it.

A lot of Joni's songs do that to me.     Especially "Blue" and "Hejira" . Also "Turbulent Indigo".  

Whitefang

[Song lyrics with extreme expressions of emotion]

Yeah, like Evans up there, I usually try to be direct too, all depending on what type of song I'm trying.  Sometimes direct emotion fits, and usually I try for some word play.   And metaphor  is good too.   Like a line from a blues tune I jotted down near 20 years ago;    " The first music that I heard was Mama's crying and the rhythm of the rain".  

Whitefang

[New guitar - when is a set up required and how common is the need?]

Well, as a Gibson LP IS on my "bucket list"  badbluesplayer,  I thank you for the information and advice.  

Whitefang

[Monkee farewell tour]

12 hours ago, Retired said:

I heard, Peter Tork was very talented and could play several  instruments.  Deb said he was friends with David Crosby, Is that true? 

I mentioned earlier in this thread that Peter was friends with Stephen Stills and a bunch they both hung out with at The Troubadour.  And that Stills and the others goaded him into trying out after Stills didn't pass the audition due to his jenky teeth,  saying he resembled Stills enough to possibly get the gig.  

Whitefang

[New guitar - when is a set up required and how common is the need?]

I'll welcome you to the forums too, and thank you for this thread.

I haven't owned an electric guitar for many moons, an the only one I had was an old cheap-o Kalamazoo obtained in '67.  But I'm currently toying with the idea of filling my "bucket list" and getting another electric and all the advice others gave here is helpful to me as well.

Whitefang

[Deviations of song lyrics]

Remember the song, "Walk Like An Egyptian"?  

Some parodied it  with "Walk with an e r e c t i o n".  

The American songbook wasn't safe;

Like Gershwin's "Summertime"---

"Suppertime,  and the liver is greasy".

And Bob hope's theme was changed to;  "Thanks for the mammaries."   

But on a more serious note,   I've heard this done  without trying to be funny by respected artists.  On Chuck Berry's song "Rock and Roll Music"   he sings;

"Rock and roll music, any old way you choose it/   It's got a back beat you can't lose it/ Any old time you use it."      But in The Beatles' cover,  I hear John Lennon sing;

"Rock and roll music/any old way you choose it/ It's got a BLACK beat you can't BLUES it/ Any old time you use it."   

Whitefang

[Stupid Jokes]

Sorry;  A long one-----

There was a bartender named D i c k who had a regular customer, a doctor, who showed up at his bar every afternoon by 5 O'clock.  He always ordered a daiquiri made with crushed almonds.  D i c k usually had it sitting on the bar in the doctor's customary spot by the time he walked in the door.

One day, D i c k noticed it was near time for the doctor to show up, and also he had no almonds with which to make the drink.  so he quickly decided to try crushed hickory nuts instead, hoping to get away with it.  When the doctor walked in, D i c k was just placing his drink on the bar.  The doctor took a sip, look puzzled and asked, "Is this an almond daiquiri D i c k?"   The bartender, with a pained wince replied, "No.  It's a hickory daiquiri doc."  

Whitefang

[Monkee farewell tour]

19 hours ago, Larsongs said:

I guess you have issues with Sinatra, Peggy Lee, Dean Martin & most other Artists & Bands of the 40’s, 50’s, 60’s etc & even now......

By the 60’s the Music Business was a real Assembly Line machine... It was common for Session Musicians to do the Instrumental Studio Recordings. They were fast, good & cheap. No Royalties to worry about.. The Singer would then sing to the Tracks & the Band would learn to Cover the music... Then the Suits sent the Groups on tours.. That’s how it was done.. Probably 80-90% of the Hits you heard on the Radio were done that way....

Then Artists became hip to Publushing & Writers Roylaties! Then everyone was a Writer! Which explains why Music has become increasingly worse over the years... Most people can’t Write Hits... Most people write poor to mediocre songs... Writing Hits takes Talent & Magic... That’s rare..

Through most of the '50's and shortly into the '60's most popular music was kind of like an assembly line, with most of the music coming from the Brill Building in New York, among others in a collective referred to as "Tin Pan Alley".  Singer Bobby Darin came from that background as well as singer/songwriter Carol King and husband Gerry Goffin( as a team also wrote songs for The Monkees as well as The Everly Brothers earlier along with many others)  

As it went on, it wasn't uncommon for some studio musicians to also meld into bands(Booker T and the MG's a good example)  And too some label's top performers to become staff songwriters for that label(think Smokey Robinson and Marvin Gaye  at Motown)  And other songwriters to strike out on their own and some finding great success(Neil Diamond for instance).  I'd say the singer/songwriter "boom" in the '60's only served to make music much better.  At least for a good run, but I agree Lars....  it eventually did lead to a glut of mediocre artists who could either sing but not write or vice-versa.  But I'd mostly blame the suits in charge, who never really listen to the music figuring they could make the public like whatever trash they push if pushed hard enough.  

I rather enjoyed that period when music was judged by the public by other measures than the beat(  "It's got a good beat and you can dance to it, so I'll give it an 85 ****" ) 

Whitefang

[Learnt some Tal Farlow]

Very good!  You really "learnt"   it well. 

Whitefang

[Monkee farewell tour]

4 minutes ago, Sgt. Pepper said:

I have no issue with that, but when you are thought to be a band and play the music on the albums you make and you don't . . .  its deceiving. Did Rush or Yes have people play on their albums and take credit for it or try to pass it off as if they did. NO.

It was made clear from the start that the guys playing the band members on the show weren't the ones playing the music on their records.  Even though three of them had experience as musicians with Davey Jones only having musical theater experience, which is why, I suppose, they made his character the lead singer, non musician of the group.   And Dolenz did play guitar and was once in some band, but he agreed to play the drummer and even took drum lessons in order to  be able to "fake" it for the program.    Nesmith was a semi-successful singer/songwriter before taking the job, and Peter was goaded to try out for the show after friend and fellow musician Stephen Stills failed to pass the audition due to funky looking teeth.  Friends insisting Tork and Stills resembled each other enough that Tork ought to give it a try.   Heh!

Could you imagine The Monkees with Stephen Stills?   

Whitefang

[Monkee farewell tour]

23 hours ago, 01GT eibach said:

Are you really going to tie Larsongs strictly to that exact moment in 1966 when the first episode aired??  Just "maybe" he was discussing the 1966-68 years which is the 'overall timeframe' that the Monkees came out?? 

Apparently he was in the Army at the time of The Monkees' debut.  Had he mentioned that in the first place it might have helped.  But then again, a couple or so of the bands he mentioned weren't heard of at the time he joined the service,  and also he did never state the period of his Viet Nam tenure.   If he was there in '66 when they DID come out, then he really couldn't have been into Cream or The Doors at the time.  But he wasn't in Nam till Dec. '67,   more than a year  after the band's debut.

  

18 hours ago, Larsongs said:

I was in the Army Jan. 66-Dec. 68... I was stationed near Wash D.C. I don’t recall watching any TV in 66... When we got time off we were in D.C. & Georgetown.. Partyin’ our asses off..

Dec. 67 - Dec. 68 I was in Vietnam... No TV there either... I wouldn’t have had time for it anyway.. 

When I came home I didn’t watch TV for years........ I did play in RnR bands but nobody played Monkee songs at that time... I was unfamiliar with them as they didn’t get airplay on FM Radio either.....

Missed all of their early stuff..

You only missed a few nice tunes, but not a whole lot.  But, that's an "ear of the beholder" sort of thing.  

The earliest "basement band" had a drummer who was a major Monkees freak.  Took a bit for his musical tastes to mature, but  not long as he was the first person I knew to buy a Jethro Tull LP( '68)  and a Ten Years After LP('68 again)    As the band I was in formed in early '66 we did a couple Monkees tunes,  but also some Wilson Pickett and Sam and Dave (and very poorly  ) and sadly,  The Rationals' version of "Respect"  (Echhh!  my BOWELS churn at the memory!)   

I still like a few of their old tunes for old time's sake, and still think this one, written by all four of 'em, is kinda cool.  

Whitefang

[For All You KISS Nuts]

20 minutes ago, Sgt. Pepper said:

Man if I saved all the KISS s-hit I had when I was a kid and had it in decent condition I'd be rich like Gene. All I got is a bunch of scratched up albums I played on my parents stereo and then mine when I got one. 

Look at Paul playing that Firebird Steve Ford. And when I say play I don't mean literally. Ace has a 3 pup LP. Take that Frampton.

 

 

It's just too bad they couldn't do anything worthwhile with them.  

Whitefang

[The Official What Are You Listening To Right Now Thread...]

2 hours ago, Mr. Natural said:

Yeah, me too.  Live Adventures... AND Super Session.

Ah, yes.  "Super Session".   It was the most coveted LP (in my "neckka" )  when it came out.  Most of the "counterculture" were familiar with Kooper and Bloomfield from their  work with Bob Dylan along with Kooper's newly formed Blood Sweat and Tears and of course, Bloomfield's work with Paul Butterfield.   And in the pre FM rock station days, we all dug Stills and that cool Buffalo Springfield tune. 

20 hours ago, mihcmac said:

Yes was more than progressive, I think, creating antagonistic components and making them sound like they belonged together. The early Prog's like Captain Beefheart, Zappa, Arthur Brown, Soft Machine, King Crimson, Pink Floyd, Dream Theater to name few, I should include Todd in there as well, all went to different extremes experimenting on breaking the rules and making it work.  🙂

I never thought of Zappa as "prog" (echh, hate that abbreviation)  but more as "advanced" or Avant-Garde"  and off the left field wall.     Arthur Brown to me, came off as just a novelty  and I have no idea what Beefheart was trying to do.  Just never was my "cuppa".  And as for early  progressive-rock bands, I wonder why you failed to mention THE NICE.    And the genre was more attempts to blend rock, jazz and some classical components into one mix.  And YES was one of the bands that boasted not only a gathering of excellent musicians, but equally excellent composition, instrumentation and lyrical quality instead of just resting on the laurels of studio tricks.   I didn't find any of their work (up until "Topographic Oceans")  to be "antagonistic".  I guess another that could be tacked to that bunch would be  Brian Auger and the Trinity.

Whitefang

[Monkee farewell tour]

3 minutes ago, Larsongs said:

I was in Vietnam when The Monkees came out..  They weren’t even on my radar. I was into Cream, Doors, Jefferson Airplane, The Stones & of course The Beatles. 
 

 

Neat trick, as The Monkees came out in '66 and  The Doors and Airplane didn't release any recordings until '67.  Except Airplane, but their earliest recording was with a different line-up than we know best.  And got no significant airplay.  

I was into the TV show a bit, and as John Lennon was too(calling them "The Marx Brothers of rock'roll")  You can't deny they made some bit of impression.  Enough for Frank Zappa to go onthe show at least.  

Whitefang

[For All You KISS Nuts]

21 hours ago, DanvillRob said:

My first guitar performance was at a Hoonenanny.... my friend sang and played....but I forget what song we did.

My guess would be....  either

"Guantanamera"   or

"If I Had A Hammer."

Ah, HOOTenanny!   Remember that show?  ABC  program featuring popular folk acts and taped in front of live college audiences running from '63 to '64.  Can't recall what night it was on, but I rarely missed a show.  

I know you weren't saying you and your friend weren't on that show, but hootenanies were pretty popular around college campuses and  formed at other venues back in the early '60's.  ABC just "borrowed" the  word for the show's title.  

Whitefang

[Monkee farewell tour]

20 hours ago, kidblast said:

thx I figured as much, (Davy Jones gone and all,) that leaves P. Tork as the odd man out??   anyway,  Nesmith did write most of that stuff if I recall correctly..

 

Tork as "odd man out"?  Did it slip your mind that Peter Tork died  Feb. 21 2019?  

If you recall correctly, it was TOMMY BOYCE and BOBBY HART that wrote the lion share of Monkees tunes.  With a NEIL DIAMOND  contribution("I'm A Believer") .   And too, a few Nesmith tunes towards the end of their tenure. 

Whitefang 

[The Official What Are You Listening To Right Now Thread...]

2 hours ago, Mr. Natural said:

The Live Adventures Of Mike Bloomfield And Al Kooper

Been a fave of mine long time.     Wouldn't mind having an 8x10 print of that Norman Rockwell cover.

1 hour ago, merciful-evans said:

Tchaikovsky 2nd Symphony 4th movement (also reading his biography).

Good listening.  But tragic story. 

Whitefang

[Monkee farewell tour]

10 minutes ago, merciful-evans said:

He was?! How many fux did they have to bleep out?

Ah,  you like to make too many assumptions and jump to misguided conclusions.  so just COUNT THEM YOURSELF.  

So.....how many "beeps" did you count?   

[For All You KISS Nuts]

20 hours ago, DanvillRob said:

I've always REALLY liked Joan Baez..... saw her once when she opened for The Stones.

 

 

As an old "folkie" I still have an affinity for Joan.  Sadly, never had the opportunity and pleasure of seeing her in a live performance.

Whitefang

[Derby Day]

53 minutes ago, Sgt. Pepper said:

Basil is smooth as baby s-hit.

I'm interested in how you can validate that comparison?  

Sepiatone

[The Official What Are You Listening To Right Now Thread...]

17 hours ago, mihcmac said:

The expressions on this advanced classical musicians face that missed the progressive rock era , hearing "Close to the Edge" for the first time, are really funny..

 

Maybe he should have tried listening to it sober.....?  

I wonder.... first;

Who IS this "advanced classical composer" and...

What has he ever composed?    and

How does it make him any authority on anything?

Sepiatone

[For All You KISS Nuts]

And too, speaking of putting someone else's poems to music-------

Baez didn't provide the music.  That was composed by Don Dilworth.  The poem was Edgar Allen Poe's.

Whitefang