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Hey Guys,

 

I did post this on the ID and info page but noticed more activity here and it is pretty urgent.

 

I bought a Gibson SG from a guy who said it was from 1980,and played on a special album recorded in 1980 but the serial number is 81506519 , I checked the numbers on the pots and they are 71-137 on 2 pots and the other 2 pots have 70-035 on them.

 

Can somebody please confirm my suspicions that this is actually from 1986 because I have very limited knowledge about guitars.

 

I attached photos on the other section of the forum and cant add any here ?? http://forum.gibson.com/index.php?/topic/107396-gibson-sg-dating/

 

If somebody can help I would be incredibly grateful.

 

Thanks !

 

Guitarchump.

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Looks like a typical 80s model to me. The serial number definitely places it in 1986. A couple of the things they did in the years following this are to sculpt the horns better, more like the early 60s ones. Also they moved the output jack from the side to it's original location on the front. I've got the 1984 catalog somewhere and the one pictured looks just like yours. If I can dig it out I'll post a pic.

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Actually I found it online. The 1984 has rectangular inlays, typical of 70s/early 80s. Yours must have gone through the inlay change but not the jack and horn change.

 

1983%20SG%20Ad.jpg

 

 

THIS makes me "Crazy!" Yeah, there's some side beveling, again, but NONE,

in the inner area between the tip of the "horns" and the neck! And NO horn

tapering, at all! [cursing] [cursing] [cursing]](*,) ](*,) ](*,)

 

It's exactly why I never looked at SG's, later than '69 on. The beveling

and tapering became less and less. [-X But, that's just Me! [tongue]:rolleyes:

 

CB

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So is the consensus that at least it's a genuine 1986 Gibson ? ...a fake would be adding much insult to injury.

 

Yes, it's an '86, made on the 150th day of 1986 and it was the 19th one stamped that day (not completed, just stamped). Made in Nashville (actually their ONLY plant at the time). Not Chinese. Look closer on the pots, you may find a different number than the 70-***. Look for one beginning with 137 or 304. It might be stamped around the rim of the can.

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Yes, it's an '86, made on the 150th day of 1986 and it was the 19th one stamped that day (not completed, just stamped). Made in Nashville (actually their ONLY plant at the time). Not Chinese. Look closer on the pots, you may find a different number than the 70-***. Look for one beginning with 137 or 304. It might be stamped around the rim of the can.

 

Ok thanks, I could definitely see no other numbers on the pots, the numbers I did see were very difficult to make out as they were faded. Just out of interest, what's a typical value for a 1986 SG ?

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Well, compared to the new "Original," the '61 Reissue, and the new 2013 "Standard,"

the beveling was still "conservative." and, horn tapering was still non-existent.

However, lots of people really don't care, one way or the other. So...whatever works,

for them. I'm a self-proclaimed "Nut" about such details...so, please...take that into

consideration. [biggrin]

 

I LOVE the beveling, and horn tapering on my SG's. But, ALL were purchased wihin

this past year's time. And, after not owning an SG, since 1968!

 

CB

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Absolutely no clue, sorry. I went SG shopping a while back and they're all over the place, from $400-500 for a recent Faded, to the $650 I paid for my 02 Standard, which I feel was undervalued by a couple hundred.... I did see some late 70s/early 80s "The SG" models going in the $800 range and there was one beat to crap 1975 that sold for $550 or so (shoulda grabbed that just because). Once you get back into 1970 territory all hell breaks loose. People think they're worth thousands. I had a 1970 Standard and a '63 Junior and while they were nice guitars, they weren't worth the price of a good used car like people think they are.

 

If you held a gun to my head and asked me to make out a price tag for your guitar I would be thinking in the $700-800 range. You'd have to saw it in half for it to be worth LESS than that but if I were to spend more than that, I'd want a newer one with the "old school" revisions they eventually made.

 

My two cents and barely worth that much.

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Absolutely no clue, sorry. I went SG shopping a while back and they're all over the place, from $400-500 for a recent Faded, to the $650 I paid for my 02 Standard, which I feel was undervalued by a couple hundred.... I did see some late 70s/early 80s "The SG" models going in the $800 range and there was one beat to crap 1975 that sold for $550 or so (shoulda grabbed that just because). Once you get back into 1970 territory all hell breaks loose. People think they're worth thousands. I had a 1970 Standard and a '63 Junior and while they were nice guitars, they weren't worth the price of a good used car like people think they are.

 

If you held a gun to my head and asked me to make out a price tag for your guitar I would be thinking in the $700-800 range. You'd have to saw it in half for it to be worth LESS than that but if I were to spend more than that, I'd want a newer one with the "old school" revisions they eventually made.

 

My two cents and barely worth that much.

 

 

Ok thanks for your help. Time to ask why I was not told the truth by the seller.

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Wow really ?

 

The stock inlay looks off, but I guess not alarmingly so.

 

The inlays though, I guess it is the camera angle, or they are just that way, just a little more not straight than the usual not straight I guess.

 

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The stock inlay looks off, but I guess not alarmingly so.

 

The inlays though, I guess it is the camera angle, or they are just that way, just a little more not straight than the usual not straight I guess.

 

rct

 

Well I appreciate your input, I'll take it to a guitar tech tomorrow for a close up check.

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THIS makes me "Crazy!" Yeah, there's some side beveling, again, but NONE,

in the inner area between the tip of the "horns" and the neck! And NO horn

tapering, at all! [cursing] [cursing] [cursing]](*,) ](*,) ](*,)

 

It's exactly why I never looked at SG's, later than '69 on. The beveling

and tapering became less and less. [-X But, that's just Me! [tongue]:rolleyes:

 

CB

Think they just wanted to make them less neck-heavy.

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Think they just wanted to make them less neck-heavy.

 

[biggrin] I hear that, a LOT! BUT...NONE, of the SG's I've ever owned,

in the '60's, or currently, have ever been "neck heavy!" Am

I just "lucky," that way? I tried out several, of each of the

models I (now) own, in the store, and NONE of them, were "neck

heavy," either. So...??? [rolleyes] :unsure:

 

CB

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[biggrin] I hear that, a LOT! BUT...NONE, of the SG's I've ever owned,

in the '60's, or currently, have ever been "neck heavy!" Am

I just "lucky," that way? I tried out several, of each of the

models I (now) own, in the store, and NONE of them, were "neck

heavy," either. So...??? [rolleyes] :unsure:

 

CB

 

I think that "neck heavy" is left over from when a single Grover machine weighed as much as all six do today, and there actually were "neck heavy" guitars. I even had a tele that was "neck heavy", but it was because I put decent machines on it. And so then it got written in the 90's only once on the HCGF by a guy that never once in his life gigged or owned an SG and BAM!!!! has been repeated literally tens of thousands of times.

 

rct

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I think that "neck heavy" is left over from when a single Grover machine weighed as much as all six do today, and there actually were "neck heavy" guitars. I even had a tele that was "neck heavy", but it was because I put decent machines on it. And so then it got written in the 90's only once on the HCGF by a guy that never once in his life gigged or owned an SG and BAM!!!! has been repeated literally tens of thousands of times.

 

rct

 

[biggrin]

 

CB

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All of my SGs and my Fender American Deluxe Ash Telecaster are doubtlessly neck heavy, not that much I couldn't control it using appropriate neck straps, but significantly.

 

The slippery back of the strap coming stock with the Tele makes it simply unusable for this guitar. Both the MIA Tele and the SG Supra are featuring locking machine heads. The Tele also has a contoured back and an unneeded routing for a possible third pickup, so perhaps these losses of wood play their role, too.

 

Interestingly, the neck diving tendencies of my SGs are about the same despite their rather varying weights, ranging from 3.1 (FZ "Roxy"s) through 3.4 (1978 Std) up to 3.8 kilograms (Supra).

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All of my SGs and my Fender American Deluxe Ash Telecaster are doubtlessly neck heavy, not that much I couldn't control it using appropriate neck straps, but significantly.

 

The slippery back of the strap coming stock with the Tele makes it simply unusable for this guitar. Both the MIA Tele and the SG Supra are featuring locking machine heads. The Tele also has a contoured back and an unneeded routing for a possible third pickup, so perhaps these losses of wood play their role, too.

 

Interestingly, the neck diving tendencies of my SGs are about the same despite their rather varying weights, ranging from 3.1 (FZ "Roxy"s) through 3.4 (1978 Std) up to 3.8 kilograms (Supra).

 

Fascinating!! :-k

 

CB

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Hey Guys,

 

I did post this on the ID and info page but noticed more activity here and it is pretty urgent.

 

I bought a Gibson SG from a guy who said it was from 1980,and played on a special album recorded in 1980 but the serial number is 81506519 , I checked the numbers on the pots and they are 71-137 on 2 pots and the other 2 pots have 70-035 on them.

 

Can somebody please confirm my suspicions that this is actually from 1986 because I have very limited knowledge about guitars.

 

I attached photos on the other section of the forum and cant add any here ?? http://forum.gibson....bson-sg-dating/

 

If somebody can help I would be incredibly grateful.

 

Thanks !

 

Guitarchump.

 

Take a pic of the back of the pickups, too.

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