KSG_Standard Posted March 15, 2009 Share Posted March 15, 2009 Oh no, it looks like machetes should be banned next...Machete Madness! bostonist.com/2008/04/07/the_herald_take.php Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoyt Posted March 15, 2009 Share Posted March 15, 2009 The guy in Alabama could have been stopped by one civilian carrying a weapon. The guy who shot Dime Bag could have been stopped by one civilian carrying a weapon. The guy at the Pepsi plant in Denver could have been stopped by one civilian carrying a weapon. The guy in Omaha Nebraska - Crandon Wisconsin - Brookfield Wisconsin -Red Lake Minnesota -could have been stopped by one civilian carrying a weapon. Shall I continue ? LMAO. Yea, and a bunch of innocent people could be killed by one civilian who has been packing a weapon just waiting for a chance to shoot someone and be a "hero." Besides, my real problem is with "assualt weapons" and the people who covet them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSG_Standard Posted March 15, 2009 Share Posted March 15, 2009 Maybe you ought to get rational. How many robberies happen on the streets unless you are out doing drug deals and the like? I suggest you can defend yourself with some street smarts to begin with and people aren't likely to mess with you. But' date=' then, a lot of gun nuts have irrational fears. Sad. I can somewhat understand a woman needing some protection. But, then, most of them aren't really into "assualt weapons" and such. In other words, they are a lot more reasonable about their use of weapons. I don't see them trying to compensate by "collecting and caressing" weapons that are more than one really needs for protection.[/quote'] Are you Homz's twin brother? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mick Posted March 15, 2009 Share Posted March 15, 2009 LMAO. Yea' date=' and a bunch of innocent people could be killed by one civilian who has been packing a weapon just waiting for a chance to shoot someone and be a "hero." [/quote'] Wow ! your an idiot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoyt Posted March 15, 2009 Share Posted March 15, 2009 Life' date=' Liberty and the pursuit of happiness...sound familiar? Ever been shot at? Robbed? Attacked? Do you carry your machete around on the street? Are you a ninja?[/quote'] I've actually had a gun pulled on me twice. Handled it both times without a gun myself. There is great satisfaction with taking someone's gun away from them, throwing the clip into the bushes, ejecting the round in the chamber and just beating the hell out of it on concrete while the SOB looks on wondering what the heck happened and what is next. You've got as good of odds doing that as reaching for your own gun once somebody is pointing one at you. How about you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daerious Posted March 15, 2009 Share Posted March 15, 2009 Maybe you ought to get rational. How many robberies happen on the streets unless you are out doing drug deals and the like? Actually' date=' most of them. The highest risk in my area to be robbed is between 5 and 6 pm in the joint parking lot that includes the stores Bed Bath and Beyond, a book store, and a few clothing stores, according to local reports. I suggest you can defend yourself with some street smarts to begin with and people aren't likely to mess with you. Please explain how the victims from the many cases happening as described above could have used "street smarts" to ward off their assailants. But' date=' then, a lot of gun nuts have irrational fears. Sad. [/quote'] A fear of something that happens to people of all types, male and female, young and old, at home, at church, at school, in WalMart parking lot, at a red light on your way to work, etc... hardly irrational, thats like saying being concerned with heart health and avoiding cancer causing agents is an irrational fear. I can somewhat understand a woman needing some protection. What are women more valuable than men' date=' or are women just less bullet proof? I don't understand. But, then, most of them aren't really into "assualt weapons" and such. Really? You have statistical data on the sex of those owning a class of weapon that hasn't been defined? Ok, women generally perfer giblets to wiblies. In other words' date=' they are a lot more reasonable about their use of weapons. [/quote'] Do you have evidence suggesting that women use their weapons more reasonably than men? I am well aware of the demographic that has the highest crime rates, but that is a different issue. Please provide evidence that women, when compared to men, in similar situations, use their weapons more reasonably. Even more importantly, please show how this matters at all, or even has any weight on this conversation. I don't believe you have suggested that women should have guns but men should not, is that what you suggest? ...weapons that are more than one really needs for protection. Please provide your credentials that qualifies you as an expert on weapons, or self defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSG_Standard Posted March 15, 2009 Share Posted March 15, 2009 Think that the street criminals are only going to kill each other? FBI: One million gang members behind 80% of street crime By Kevin Johnson USA TODAY WASHINGTON — Criminal gangs in the USA have swelled to an estimated 1 million members responsible for up to 80% of crimes in communities across the nation, according to a gang threat assessment compiled by federal officials. The major findings in a report by the Justice Department's National Gang Intelligence Center, which has not been publicly released, conclude gangs are the "primary retail-level distributors of most illicit drugs" and several are "capable" of competing with major U.S.-based Mexican drug-trafficking organizations. "A rising number of U.S.-based gangs are seemingly intent on developing working relationships" with U.S. and foreign drug-trafficking organizations and other criminal groups to "gain direct access to foreign sources of illicit drugs," the report concludes. The gang population estimate is up 200,000 since 2005. Bruce Ferrell, chairman of the Midwest Gang Investigators Association, whose group monitors gang activity in 10 states, says the number of gang members may be even higher than the report's estimate. "We've seen an expansion for the last 10 years," says Ferrell, who has reviewed the report. "Each year, the numbers are moving forward." 'Growing threat' on the move The report says about 900,000 gang members live "within local communities across the country," and about 147,000 are in U.S. prisons or jails. "Most regions in the United States will experience increased gang membership ... and increased gang-related criminal activity," the report concludes, citing a recent rise in gangs on the campuses of suburban and rural schools. Among the report's other findings: Last year, 58% of state and local law enforcement agencies reported that criminal gangs were active in their jurisdictions, up from 45% in 2004. More gangs use the Internet, including encrypted e-mail, to recruit and to communicate with associates throughout the U.S. and other countries. Gangs, including outlaw motorcycle groups, "pose a growing threat" to law enforcement authorities along the U.S.-Canadian border. The U.S. groups are cooperating with Canadian gangs in various criminal enterprises, including drug smuggling. Assistant FBI Director Kenneth Kaiser, the bureau's criminal division chief, says gangs have largely followed the migration paths of immigrant laborers. He says the groups are moving to avoid the scrutiny of larger metropolitan police agencies in places such as Los Angeles. "These groups were hit hard in L.A." by law enforcement crackdowns, "but they are learning from it," Kaiser says. MS-13 far-flung from L.A. incubator One group that continues to spread despite law enforcement efforts is the violent Salvadoran gang known as MS-13. Michael Sullivan, the departing director of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, says the gang's dependence on shocking violence to advance extortion, prostitution and other criminal enterprises has frustrated attempts to infiltrate and disrupt the insular group's activities. "MS-13's foothold in the U.S. is expanding," Sullivan says. Kaiser says the street gang is in 42 states, up from 33 in 2005. "Enforcement efforts have been effective to a certain extent, but they (gang members) keep moving," he says. MS-13 is the abbreviation for the gang also known as Mara Salvatrucha. The group gained national prominence in the 1980s in Los Angeles, where members were linked to incidents involving unusual brutality. Since then, it has formed cells or "cliques" across the U.S., says Aaron Escorza, chief of the FBI's MS-13 National Gang Task Force. The task force was launched in 2004 amid concerns about the gang's rapid spread. Gang members were targeted in broad investigations similar to those used to bust organized crime groups from Russia and Italy. Among law enforcement efforts: Omaha. The last of 24 MS-13 members swept up on federal firearms charges and conspiracy to distribute methamphetamine were sentenced last year in the largest bust since the group emerged there in 2004. The gang's strength dimmed as a result, but the nine-month probe did not eradicate the group, says Ferrell, who assisted in the investigation. Nashville. During the past two years, 14 MS-13 members pleaded guilty on charges ranging from murder to obstruction of justice Davidson County, Tenn., Sheriff Daron Hall, whose jurisdiction includes Nashville, says MS-13 started growing there about five years ago, corresponding with an influx of immigrant labor Last April, county officials began checking the immigration status of all arrestees. "We know we have removed about 100 gang members, including MS-13," to U.S. authorities for deportation, Hall says. Maryland. This month, federal authorities said they had convicted 42 MS-13 members since 2005. More than half were charged in a "racketeering conspiracy" in which members participated in robberies and beatings and arranged the murders of other gang members, according to Justice Department documents. In one case, Maryland gang members allegedly discussed killing rivals with an MS-13 leader calling on a cellphone from a Salvadoran jail, the documents say. Escorza says a "revolving door" on the border has kept the gang's numbers steady -- about 10,000 in the U.S. -- even as many illegal immigrant members are deported. The FBI, which has two agents in El Salvador to help identify and track members in Central America and the United States, plans to dispatch four more agents to Guatemala and Honduras, Escorza says. "They evolve and adapt," he says. "They know what law enforcement is doing. Word of mouth spreads quickly." Copyright 2009 Gannett Company, Inc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FennRx Posted March 15, 2009 Author Share Posted March 15, 2009 1) as usual you dont read anything i say except for what you can cut and paste to make a sad excuse for an arguement. let me say this in plain english: I do not carry an "assault rifle" in public. as for self defense, i have my 9mm. i bought the AR because they may become collector's items. if you dont like it, too bad. the intimidation comment was sarcasm, as was the fecalator comment, which was a reference to a really funny movie that you obviously have never seen. my bad 2) as for your post, maybe you ought to realize that not everyone lives in a rich whitebred world like you clearly do. the company i work for has 4 stores in the city. 3 of the 4 have been the targets of armed robberies in the past 3 months (1 with a knife, 2 with a gun). you know what they wanted? oxycontin and amphetamines. i work in the number 1 meth county in the number 2 meth state in the country (not by choice mind you but i gotta go where the work is). and dont forget all the cash robberies at other companies like VP and the liquors store. this happens EVERY SINGLE DAY. 3) once AGAIN, i will ask you to define an assault rifle and provide ANY evidence to back up ANY of your claims. I suspect you will call me an irrational gun nut, because at the end of the day, that's all you can do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoyt Posted March 15, 2009 Share Posted March 15, 2009 Wow ! your [sic] an idiot. Talk about idiots. LMAO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSG_Standard Posted March 15, 2009 Share Posted March 15, 2009 I've been robbed twice at gunpoint, pistol whipped once and shot at both times...I wasn't buying drugs, I was working in a grocery store. Wish I'd had a machete! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mick Posted March 15, 2009 Share Posted March 15, 2009 I've actually had a gun pulled on me twice. Handled it both times without a gun myself. There is great satisfaction with taking someone's gun away from them' date=' throwing the clip into the bushes, ejecting the round in the chamber and just beating the hell out of it on concrete while the SOB looks on wondering what the heck happened and what is next. You've got as good of odds doing that as reaching for your own gun once somebody is pointing one at you. How about you?[/quote'] Ya right. I've had several encounters with guns. And it's not always about one being pointed at you but being able to stop a situation. But I guess your Superman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSG_Standard Posted March 15, 2009 Share Posted March 15, 2009 Maybe Hoyt is latin for dumbazz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoyt Posted March 15, 2009 Share Posted March 15, 2009 The odds are greater of dying from cancer, a heart attack, etc., than being robbed at gunpoint, much less killed. Just what we need is a bunch of irrational, scared folks carrying weapons. If they don't kill an innocent person, they are more likely to shoot themselves than actually protect themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mick Posted March 15, 2009 Share Posted March 15, 2009 No I think it's French for Dip Sh!t Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoyt Posted March 15, 2009 Share Posted March 15, 2009 Ya right. I've had several encounters with guns. And it's not always about one being pointed at you but being able to stop a situation. But I guess your Superman. Nope, not superman. Just don't believe you need a gun to deal with most situations you are likely to encounter. Fear is your enemy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mick Posted March 15, 2009 Share Posted March 15, 2009 The odds are greater of dying from cancer' date=' a heart attack, etc., than being robbed at gunpoint, much less killed. Just what we need is a bunch of irrational, scared folks carrying weapons. If they don't kill an innocent person, they are more likely to shoot themselves than actually protect themselves. [/quote'] I guess I've beaten all the ODDS than Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoyt Posted March 15, 2009 Share Posted March 15, 2009 I've been robbed twice at gunpoint' date=' pistol whipped once and shot at both times...I wasn't buying drugs, I was working in a grocery store. Wish I'd had a machete![/quote'] Maybe you ought to hire a security guard for your dang store. You'd be surprised how well a machete works without actually having to harm anyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSG_Standard Posted March 15, 2009 Share Posted March 15, 2009 Hoyt, is this you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mick Posted March 15, 2009 Share Posted March 15, 2009 I don't know what world you live in but the world I'm from is full of violence and criminals and I wont just wait for the police to happen by. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daerious Posted March 15, 2009 Share Posted March 15, 2009 Hoyt, why do you ignore my questions? Is my post count too low and I'm not in the inner circle here and you just don't like me, or do you just not have the answers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoyt Posted March 15, 2009 Share Posted March 15, 2009 I guess I've beaten all the ODDS than [sic] See, you don't really need an "assualt weapon." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mick Posted March 15, 2009 Share Posted March 15, 2009 See' date=' you don't really need an "assualt weapon." [/quote'] No I don't need an assault weapon but I sure like them. However A Charter Arms .44 Special Bulldog is a good friend indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FennRx Posted March 15, 2009 Author Share Posted March 15, 2009 please define an "assualt weapon" sgt york did a good job assaulting german machinegun positions with his enfield rifle and colt .45. i guess we should outlaw bolt-action rifles and handguns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoyt Posted March 15, 2009 Share Posted March 15, 2009 No I don't need an assault weapon but I sure like them. However A Charter Arms .44 Special Bulldog is a good friend indeed. Truthfully, Mick, I don't have any real problem with a pistol like that. You can defend yourself with that in just about any likely situation. Like I've said, I've got a six shooter, and my machete if things get really ugly. I am concerned about folks who think they need anything that is called an "assualt weapon." They are either criminals for have a psychological issue in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mick Posted March 15, 2009 Share Posted March 15, 2009 please define an "assualt weapon" sgt york did a good job assaulting german machinegun positions with his enfield rifle and colt .45. i guess we should outlaw bolt-action rifles and handguns. Here well try this again Hoyt which of these two guns is the assault rifle ? A B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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