olman Posted February 11, 2008 Share Posted February 11, 2008 I recently installed a 57 classic, & a 57classic plus genuine Gibson pickups, plus a complete Mojo wiring harness in my Les Paul Classic. I like it very much, however, the tone is a liitle too dark for me. It has .022 caps, and I`m wondeing if adifferent value would brighten it up. It`s not muddyness I`m talking about, but just darkness. Can any one offer they`re opinions , and experiance, in similar situations? I don`t know exactly what type or make the caps are in the Mojo Kit. Would I go greater or smallervalue to brighten it up? I love the guitar, not exactly a novice. I`ve also installed all swithcraft accesoreys. Experianced opinions appreciated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dagwood Posted February 11, 2008 Share Posted February 11, 2008 Good question, however, Pickups are only a small piece in the overall sound equation. Other things to consider are the Amp(s) your running through. I think the Amp is and should be the main source to adjust one's tone. Granted LP's are going to and should sound 'darker' in contrast to Strats. The combination of MaHOG bodies and Humbuckers are going to give you that. However with the much wider variety of amps, speakers and cabinet styles out there are more of a determinant in one's tone. Amps can and will color the over all tone, albeit as a result of the circuitry, Tube vs SS, EQ/Tone settings. Different speakers will add more coloration, some will sound more bright than others. Additionally the cabinet will once again add another ingredient to the mix. The woods use, the contruction, the type (Open vs Closed back) will, in my opinion, influence one's over all tone more than the given type of guitar being used....in this case an LP. But don't get me wrong, a Strat always sounds like a Strat likewise with an LP... 99% of the time. So often I see and read about folks that are convinced that changing out their pickups will magically alter their tone to their liking and then aren't so happy with the results. I don't know where I heard or read this, but it goes something like: A good amp will make a budget guitar sound good. Not the other way around. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garyelcrrt1281733995 Posted February 11, 2008 Share Posted February 11, 2008 Go down in size on the cap to increase treble, or go up in rating on a pot. If you have a 500K pot, go to 1 meg. If you have a .022 cap, try a .015. Both together might give you ear-bleed, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickblues1 Posted February 11, 2008 Share Posted February 11, 2008 With all pickup changes your amp has to be setup for the new pickups. Adjust the high E side of the pickup a bit closer to the strings than the Bass side, about 1 full screw turn to start with. Pickup height front 3/32 rear 1/16 inch from strings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olman Posted February 11, 2008 Author Share Posted February 11, 2008 Yeah Dagwood, I know all that. The simple question was upper or lower on the caps. I have a Peavey Classic 30, infinetly adjustable, That I run it through. All Genuine Gibby 500 K pots, Genuine wiring etc. I have been around the block. Too much info and a superior attitude are sometimes too much. Thank you just the same Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dagwood Posted February 11, 2008 Share Posted February 11, 2008 Yeah Dagwood' date=' I know all that. The simple question was upper or lower on the caps. I have a Peavey Classic 30, infinetly adjustable, That I run it through. All Genuine Gibby 500 K pots, Genuine wiring etc. I have been around the block. Too much info and a superior attitude are sometimes too much. Thank you just the same[/quote'] Not trying to Give you any attitude...and surely nothing superior....just trying to help. I just see so many newbies think that changing out their picks ups will do something magical for them when I think its a misnomer. Glad that your one who knows exactly what they want. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brad1 Posted February 11, 2008 Share Posted February 11, 2008 Too much info and a superior attitude are sometimes too much. Thank you just the same If you think that's too much info, and a superior attitude (and I don't see it) then you aint seen nothin yet on this forum!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
copper1281734000 Posted February 11, 2008 Share Posted February 11, 2008 I suggest either turning up the treble on your amp or turn down the bass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lerxst1281733995 Posted February 11, 2008 Share Posted February 11, 2008 If you think that's too much info' date=' and a superior attitude (and I don't see it) then you aint seen nothin yet on this forum!! [/quote'] I think Olman has seen Uncle Al in action before.... ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWANG Posted February 11, 2008 Share Posted February 11, 2008 I have offered NO information on this thread, and think very little of myself. therefore, I am king!!!! all hail me, quick though, I need another beer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rented Posted February 11, 2008 Share Posted February 11, 2008 I need another beer. Cheers! Im down with that...Happy hour on the Epi Forum!!! mine is nice and cold bro! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garyelcrrt1281733995 Posted February 11, 2008 Share Posted February 11, 2008 I don't think it matters, Twang. I answered the question and got ignored. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lerxst1281733995 Posted February 11, 2008 Share Posted February 11, 2008 As well you should be... I don't see why any of us non-experts should be allowed to offer any information on this forum... Not when the source of all knowledge resides here.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickblues1 Posted February 11, 2008 Share Posted February 11, 2008 I just wonder how close the pots measured to spec. Those Pups should not sound as dark as olmann suggests. Did you take a reading from the pots before you put them in. You could try to unsolder the cap to see if it lightens up the tone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daneman Posted February 11, 2008 Share Posted February 11, 2008 WHO has a superior attitude?Doesn't sound like its Dagwood to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickblues1 Posted February 11, 2008 Share Posted February 11, 2008 Well he could have just goggled it up. That question has been asked many times on every guitar forum I have ever been on. Ascertaining a persons level of competence with his original question is Paramount to mind reading. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted February 12, 2008 Share Posted February 12, 2008 Invite all your buddies over for a jam (those who own a similar guitar with different pickups). Compare them side by side. Now, crank the amp up to performance level. Sounds better, doesn't it? It's all amp drive, picking technique, and personal taste... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olman Posted February 12, 2008 Author Share Posted February 12, 2008 Thank you garylcrtt, that was the simple answer I was looking for. I may try that to lighten up on the tone. I`m not looking for a Strat tone out of my LP. I have a strat for that purpose. I may be a relative newbie on the board, but i`m not a newbie to guitars or any other thing for that matter. at damn near 70 years of age. Short on patience foir more info than asked for. Like I said, I have a Mojo harness, pretested befor shipment, if you folks are up on them. They are all made of genuine Gibson stuff. I know just a pickup swap is not going to change every thing magically. Been tweaking my amp for two months, raise and lower the pickups, and all the above mentioned . Still too dark for my old ears. It`s a great guitar, I just am trying to sweeten it up a bit I don`t post often, not one to run off at the chin. I apologize if I have offended anyone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JEPI Posted February 12, 2008 Share Posted February 12, 2008 SERIOUSLY - No attitude here but I'm just curious.. How many of you are currently or have been professional musicians? Playing five to seven nights a week for years with just one guitar certainly will teach you how to control the sound you want to play on most everything from jazz to rock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWANG Posted February 12, 2008 Share Posted February 12, 2008 I started in 64 or 65.. I remember I had a guitar the first time I heard the beatles.. but they filtered to the midwest fairly slowly. ah.. silvertone. *L* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokestack Posted February 12, 2008 Share Posted February 12, 2008 ...and would have been chased away again fairly quickly if some folks had their way at the time ;^) To pick up on JEPI's point. I don't think that you necessarilly have to be a regularly gigging musician to know good tone when you hear it...but it does raise a significant point. That glorious "boutique" tone that you strive for when playing at home or in the studio isn't necessarilly the same sound which will cut through the mix and find its place on the band stand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olman Posted February 12, 2008 Author Share Posted February 12, 2008 I started playing music in the back street bars in Miami back in the 60`s. Back in my hippy days. Drums back then. Guitars off and on for 25 years. I guess I`ve owned almost every type in that time. Finally settled on what I have. I wasn`t any happier with pryor Gibsons. This Epi is everything I need. I have others also.. I am always looking to improve tone. And I don`t care what anyone thinks of it. It only has to satisfy me.at home. I`ll probably never gig again. And I don`t care about that either. This is my hobby and my greates enjoyable pastime, and being retired I have many pastimes. Thanks for all the replies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickblues1 Posted February 12, 2008 Share Posted February 12, 2008 olman222 - Welcome to the board. Sorry if any of my comments hit you the wrong way. I'm up in the far north of Illinois. right in the middle of Rockford and Chicago. Glad to have you here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JEPI Posted February 12, 2008 Share Posted February 12, 2008 olman222. Being that you played from the 60's onward, you certainly were exposed to the standards, blues, jazz etc.etc. and on to really exciting and creative music.. Tone is a critical and sometimes illusive issue and I like you am completely satisfied with the wide and versatile range of the Epiphones and my 10 or so Gibsons now are in the hands of others.. Hope your hobby keeps you satisfied.......J Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daneman Posted February 12, 2008 Share Posted February 12, 2008 Welcome to the gang olman222, hope we didn't get off on the wrong foot here!! I'm only pushing 50 myself and have been trying to teach myself to be more patient with people.Guess I kinda blew it this time. Dana Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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