rml Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 hey guys what is the model casino played here by macca? http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ef/Paul_McCartney_%26_Bono_Live8.jpg looks like a fatter shorter headstock. thanks! billybob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nelson Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 hey guys what is the model casino played here by macca? http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ef/Paul_McCartney_%26_Bono_Live8.jpg looks like a fatter shorter headstock. thanks! billybob It's just a standard 1962 E-230TD Casino. When it was first introduced in 1961 the Casino had that headstock. They changed it about mid/late 1963 to the more-familiar, elongated shape. Nelson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie brown Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 Yeah, his has the earlier "Gibson" like, headstock...that the early Casino, Sheraton, and some other's had. CB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie brown Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 Thanks, Nelson...I couldn't remember off the top of my head, the year the headstocks changed... CB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rml Posted January 3, 2009 Author Share Posted January 3, 2009 thanks guys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
28v6r Posted January 3, 2009 Share Posted January 3, 2009 Wow! That has to be the weirdest way of utilizing a Bigsby... Must feel weird surely?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubstar Posted January 3, 2009 Share Posted January 3, 2009 just to clarify because some people don't seem to know...that is McCartney's original Casino, which he has had since the days of the Beatles...I'd like to see an epiphone reissue that is true to the original... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frenchie1281734003 Posted January 4, 2009 Share Posted January 4, 2009 just to clarify because some people don't seem to know...that is McCartney's original Casino' date=' which he has had since the days of the Beatles...I'd like to see an epiphone reissue that is true to the original...[/quote'] In that case you would want the one with the metal Bikini h/stock plate, Black plastic pickup covers, dot neck, and a single ply Tortoiseshell scratchplate. Because that was what the original Casino had upon release in 1961. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cookieman15061 Posted January 4, 2009 Share Posted January 4, 2009 Wow! That has to be the weirdest way of utilizing a Bigsby... Must feel weird surely?? :- well paulie had to flip it to play left handed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubstar Posted January 4, 2009 Share Posted January 4, 2009 I meant McCartney's original... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pohatu771 Posted January 4, 2009 Share Posted January 4, 2009 I could be wrong, but I believe that neck is a leftover Epiphone New York part - it's not a Gibson headstock, it looks more like a pre-Gibson Epiphone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie brown Posted January 4, 2009 Share Posted January 4, 2009 I mentioned earlier, that the Casino and Sheraton's had that style headstock, but the 1961 Riviera's had that same headstock, as well. I wasn't sure when the Riviera was introduced, but apparently it was in '61, but not in the catalog, until the '62 publication. The earliest Casino's had the metal "badge" emblem (like the WildKat, AlleyKat, FlameKat models do) on their headstocks, as well. They were all changed, to the now familiar "hour glass" type headstock, at some time, in 1963. CB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red 333 Posted January 4, 2009 Share Posted January 4, 2009 I could be wrong' date=' but I believe that neck is a leftover Epiphone New York part - it's not a Gibson headstock, it looks more like a pre-Gibson Epiphone.[/quote'] I've read that, too, and read that these necks (which were laminated, V shape necks, suppossedly) were used up by 1961. However, I've seen 1963 and 1964 Sorrentos with the same headstock. And, though you can't always rely on catalog photos (since old photos were frequently reused), pages I have seen from the 1963 catalog show the Olympic (an SG-like solid body) and Sheraton with that headstock, and the 1965 catalog shows the Howard Roberts, Zenith, and Triumph with that headstock, too. The Sorrento has the elongated headstock in that catalog, and the Olympic the batwing headstock. Red 333 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nelson Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 In that case you would want the one with the metal Bikini h/stock plate' date=' Black plastic pickup covers, dot neck, and a single ply Tortoiseshell scratchplate. Because that was what the original Casino had upon release in 1961. [/quote'] I think he was talking about having a feature-correct McCartney Casino which would have the late '62 features.. Nelson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nelson Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 I've read that' date=' too, and read that these necks (which were laminated, V shape necks, suppossedly) were used up by 1961. However, I've seen 1963 and 1964 Sorrentos with the same headstock. And, though you can't always rely on catalog photos (since old photos were frequently reused), pages I have seen from the 1963 catalog show the Olympic (an SG-like solid body) and Sheraton with that headstock, and the 1965 catalog shows the Howard Roberts, Zenith, and Triumph with that headstock, too. The Sorrento has the elongated headstock in that catalog, and the Olympic the batwing headstock. Red 333[/quote'] But those weren't models that were made by the original Epiphone (except for the Zenith and Triumph..and only the Triumph was continued..) so they can't be left-overs....and most of the bodies in the deal were un-finished upright basses.. Nelson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red 333 Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 But those weren't models that were made by the original Epiphone (except for the Zenith and Triumph..and only the Triumph was continued..) so they can't be left-overs....and most of the bodies in the deal were un-finished upright basses.. Nelson Yeah. What I'm suggesting (I don't know it as fact) is that Gibson continued using that headstock design after the stock of old NY Epiphone necks were used up in 1961. There's no reason those old necks may not have wound up on Gibson-designed Epiphones, though. Gibson seems to have scaveged every part they got! From what I've read, the NY necks were laminated, with a deep V in them. That doesn't sound like something one would put on an ES type guitar or other thinline, though, does it. Have you seen any early Epis with necks like this? Hey, given all this talk about NY necks, maybe Epi will start to market a certain neck shape that way. If history is any indication (ala NY mini-hums), it'll probably be a DIFFERENT neck shape! Red 333 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frenchie1281734003 Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 I think he was talking about having a feature-correct McCartney Casino which would have the late '62 features.. Nelson Oh, sorry! I misunderstood Dubstar`s post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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