Question about Gibson Tuning Machines

[Sinb]

Are they really as bad as Ive heard? If I bought a set (which im starting to think not) will they fit in or do i have to widen the whole or not?

 

Oh and another thing, when i was researching them, a repair man for Gibson saying how much it has changed and was told from the Gibson company themselves that Gibsons are more of a collector guitar and not very good for players.

 

Here is what i read first hand about the company, vintage nickel tuners and his Gibson Les Paul:

" As a Gibson authorized repairman, I called the company about these tuners. After a long distance runaround, I was told the Gibson guitars weren't for players, they were for collectors, if I wanted a guitar that played well, and stayed in tune, buy an Epiphone. I immediately resigned as a Gibson repairman, and won't ever endorse their products again. I have a 68 Les Paul Custom with black tape over the Gibson logo. The company has become a cash cow for the new owners.

 

Sadly, with the amount of money paid for it, it should be better. The finish looks like it was sprayed on by a spastic. The wood underneath was not silexed, so the grain shows thru, and I'm not pleased with the overall quality.

 

It looks good from a distance.

 

Although the tuners look vintage, they suck. They are prone to slipping incrementally, causing the guitar to go out of tune very quickly. I have a set in a coffee can in my shop. I went to gotoh tuners which at least stay in tune. And before anyone says I am not winding the strings correctly, I am a luthier, and restring guitars daily. When a product fails to work, the company should do something about it, instead of trading on the past to rake in more profits.

 

I couldn't even turn in a bill for the repairs, and this was a brand new guitar. "That's how they are made now" was Gibson's response.

 

It mostly sits in it's overpriced case in the closet. I could not, with a clear conscience, resell it for even half of what I paid for it."

 

Kind of makes you think don't it?

 

But back to my question, should i just stick with the grovers that are on it?

[HarpBoy]

This smells kind of apocryphal to me.

[Sinb]

This smells kind of apocryphal to me.

 

What does that mean?

[charlie brown]

What does that mean?

 

Apocrypha

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For the section found in some bibles called Apocrypha, see Biblical apocrypha. For the X-Files episode, see Apocrypha (The X-Files).

Apocrypha (from the Greek word ?p????fa, meaning "those having been hidden away"[1']) are texts of uncertain authenticity, or writings where the authorship is questioned. When used in the specific context of Judeo-Christian theology, the term apocrypha refers to any collection of scriptural texts that falls outside the canon. Given that different denominations have different ideas about what constitutes canonical scripture, there are several different versions of the apocrypha. During sixteenth-century controversies over the biblical canon the word "apocrypha" acquired a negative connotation, and it has become a synonym for "spurious" or "false." This usage usually involves fictitious or legendary accounts that are plausible enough to be commonly considered as truth. For example, Laozi's alleged authorship of the Tao Te Ching, Napoleon Bonaparte's self-coronation rather than at the hands of Pope Pius VII, and the Parson Weems account of George Washington and the cherry tree, are all considered 'apocryphal'.

 

Contents [hide]

1 Denotation and connotation

1.1 Esoteric writings

1.2 Writings of questionable value

1.3 Spurious writings

1.4 Other meanings

2 Apocryphal texts by denomination

2.1 Jewish apocrypha

2.2 Biblical books called apocrypha

2.3 New Testament apocryphal literature

3 The Shakespeare Apocrypha

4 Zbigniew Herbert's Apocrypha

5 Notes

6 See also

7 External links

 

 

 

[edit] Denotation and connotation

The term "apocrypha" has evolved in meaning somewhat, and its associated implications have ranged from positive to pejorative. The term apocryphal, according to Merriam-Webster, means "writings or statements of dubious authenticity."

 

 

[edit] Esoteric writings

The word "apocryphal" (?p????f??) was first applied, in a positive sense, to writings which were kept secret because they were the vehicles of esoteric knowledge considered too profound or too sacred to be disclosed to anyone other than the initiated. It is used in this sense to describe A Holy and Secret Book of Moses, called Eighth, or Holy (???s??? ?e?? ß?ß??? ?p????f?? ?p??a???µe?? ??d?? ? ???a), a text taken from a Leiden papyrus of the third or fourth century AD, but which may be as old as the first century. In a similar vein, the disciples of the Gnostic Prodicus boasted that they possessed the secret (?p????fa) books of Zoroaster. The term in general enjoyed high consideration among the Gnostics (see Acts of Thomas, 10, 27, 44).[2]

 

 

[edit] Writings of questionable value

"Apocrypha" was also applied to writings that were hidden not because of their divinity but because of their questionable value to the church. Many in Protestant traditions cite Revelation 22:18-19 as a potential curse for those who attach any canonical authority to extra-biblical writings such as the Apocrypha. However, a strict exegesis of this text would indicate it was meant for only the Book of Revelation. Revelation 22:18-19 (KJV) states: "(18) For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: (19) And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book." In this case, if we hold to a strict hermeneutic, this "book of prophecy" does not refer to the Bible as a whole but to the Book of Revelation. However, the Book of Revelation is considered to be the completion of the Bible, the ribbon around the package, if you will. Origen, in Commentaries on Matthew, X. 18, XIII. 57, distinguishes between writings which were read by the churches and apocryphal writings: ??af? µ? fe??µ??? µ?? ?? t??? ??????? ?a? ded?µ?s?e?µ????? ß?ß????? e???? d' ?t? ?? ?p????f??? fe??µ??? (writing not found on the common and published books in one hand, actually found on the secret ones on the other). The meaning of ap????f?? is here practically equivalent to "excluded from the public use of the church", and prepares the way for an even less favourable use of the word.[2]

 

 

[edit] Spurious writings

In general use, the word "apocrypha" came to mean "false, spurious, bad, or heretical." This meaning also appears in Origen's prologue to his commentary on the Song of Songs, of which only the Latin translation survives: De scripturis his, quae appellantur apocryphae, pro eo quod multa in iis corrupta et contra fidem veram inveniuntur a majoribus tradita non placuit iis dari locum nec admitti ad auctoritatem.[2] "Concerning these scriptures, which are called apocryphal, for the reason that many things are found in them corrupt and against the true faith handed down by the elders, it has pleased them that they not be given a place nor be admitted to authority." (Translation by a Wikipedia editor.)

 

 

[edit] Other meanings

Other uses of apocrypha developed over the history of Western Christianity. The Gelasian Decree refers to religious works by church fathers Eusebius, Tertullian and Clement of Alexandria as apocrypha. Augustine defined the word as meaning simply "obscurity of origin," implying that any book of unknown authorship or questionable authenticity would be considered as apocrypha. On the other hand, Jerome (in Protogus Galeatus) declared that all books outside the Hebrew canon were apocryphal.[2] In practice, Jerome treated some books outside the Hebrew canon as if they were canonical, and the Western Church did not accept Jerome's definition of apocrypha, instead retaining the word's prior meaning (see: Deuterocanon). As a result, various church authorities labeled different books as apocrypha, treating them with varying levels of regard.

 

Some apocryphal books were included in the Septuagint with little distinction made between them and the rest of the Old Testament. Origen, Clement and others cited some apocryphal books as "scripture", "divine scripture", "inspired", and the like. On the other hand, teachers connected with Palestine and familiar with the Hebrew canon excluded from the canon all of the Old Testament not found there. This view is reflected in the canon of Melito of Sardis, and in the prefaces and letters of Jerome.[2] A third view was that the books were not as valuable as the canonical scriptures of the Hebrew collection, but were of value for moral uses, as introductory texts for new converts from paganism, and to be read in congregations. They were referred to as "ecclesiastical" works by Rufinus.[2]

 

These three opinions regarding the apocryphal books prevailed until the Protestant Reformation, when the idea of what constitutes canon became a matter of primary concern for Roman Catholics and Protestants alike. In 1546 the Catholic Council of Trent reconfirmed the canon of Augustine, dating to the second and third centuries, declaring "He is also to be anathema who does not receive these entire books, with all their parts, as they have been accustomed to be read in the Catholic Church, and are found in the ancient editions of the Latin Vulgate, as sacred and canonical." The whole of the books in question, with the exception of 1st and 2nd Esdras and the Prayer of Manasses, were declared canonical at Trent.[2] The Protestants, in comparison, were diverse in their opinion of the deuterocanon. Some reckoned them among the inspired books, others rejected them. Anglicans took a middle way between the Catholic Church and the Protestant sects; they kept them as Christian intertestamental readings, and while a part of the Bible, no doctrine should be based on them. John Wycliffe, a 14th century humanist, had declared in his Biblical translation that "whatever book is in the Old Testament besides these twenty-five shall be set among the apocrypha, that is, without authority or belief."[2] Nevertheless, his translation of the Bible included the apocrypha and the Epistle of the Loadiceans.[3]

 

The respect accorded to apocryphal books varied between Protestant denominations. In both the German (1537) and English (1535) translations of the Bible, the apocrypha are published in a separate section from the other books, although the Lutheran and Anglican lists are different. In some editions, (like the Westminster), readers were warned that these books were not "to be any otherwise approved or made use of than other human writings." A milder distinction was expressed elsewhere, such as in the "argument" introducing them in the Geneva Bible, and in the Sixth Article of the Church of England, where it is said that "the other books the church doth read for example of life and instruction of manners," though not to establish doctrine.[2]

 

According to The Apocrypha, Bridge of the Testaments at orthodoxanglican.net:

 

On the other hand, the Anglican Communion emphatically maintains that the Apocrypha is part of the Bible and is to be read with respect by her members. Two of the hymns used in the American Prayer Book office of Morning Prayer, the Benedictus es and Benedicite, are taken from the Apocrypha. One of the offertory sentences in Holy Communion comes from an apocryphal book (Tob. 4: 8-9). Lessons from the Apocrypha are regularly appointed to be read in the daily, Sunday, and special services of Morning and Evening Prayer. There are altogether 111 such lessons in the latest revised American Prayer Book Lectionary [The books used are: II Esdras, Tobit, Wisdom, Ecclesiasticus, Baruch, Three Holy Children, and I Maccabees.] The position of the Church is best summarized in the words of Article Six of the Thirty-nine Articles: “In the name of Holy Scripture we do understand those canonical Books of the Old and New Testament, of whose authority there was never any doubt in the Church… And the other Books (as Hierome [st. Jerome] saith) the Church doth read for example of life and instruction of manners; but yet doth it not apply them to establish any doctrine…”

 

On a side note, Apocrypha is also the name of the March 2009 Expansion to Eve Online [4].

 

 

[edit] Apocryphal texts by denomination

 

[edit] Jewish apocrypha

Main article: Jewish apocrypha

Although traditional rabbinical Judaism insists on the exclusive canonization of the current 24 books in the Tanakh, it also claims to have an oral law handed down from Moses. The Sadducees - unlike the Pharisees but like the Samaritans - seem to have maintained an earlier and smaller number of texts as canonical, preferring to hold to only what was written in the Law of Moses[5] (making most of the presently accepted canon, both Jewish and Christian, apocryphal in their eyes). Certain circles in Judaism, such as the Essenes in Judea and the Therapeutae in Egypt, were said to have a secret literature (see Dead Sea scrolls). Other traditions maintained different customs regarding canonicity.[6] The Ethiopic Jews, for instance, seem to have retained a spread of canonical texts similar to the Ethiopian Orthodox Christians,[7] cf Encyclopedia Judaica, Vol 6, p 1147. A large part of this literature consisted of the apocalypses. Based on prophecies, these apocalyptic books were not considered scripture by all, but rather part of a literary form that flourished from 200 BC to AD 100.[citation needed]

 

 

[edit] Biblical books called apocrypha

Main article: Biblical apocrypha

During the birth of Christianity, some of the Jewish apocrypha that dealt with the coming of the Messianic kingdom became popular in the rising Jewish-Christian communities. Occasionally these writings were changed or added to, but on the whole it was found sufficient to reinterpret them as conforming to a Christian viewpoint. Christianity eventually gave birth to new apocalyptic works, some of which were derived from traditional Jewish sources. Some of the Jewish apocrypha were part of the ordinary religious literature of the early Christians. This was not strange, as the large majority of Old Testament references in the New Testament are taken from the Greek Septuagint, which is the source of the deuterocanonical books[8] as well as most of the other biblical apocrypha.[9]

 

Slightly varying collections of additional Books (called deuterocanonical by the Roman Catholic Church) form part of the Roman Catholic, Eastern Orthodox and Oriental Orthodox canons.

 

The Book of Enoch is included in the biblical canon only of the Oriental Orthodox churches of Ethiopia and Eritrea. The Epistle of Jude quotes the book of Enoch, and some believe the use of this book also appears in the four gospels and 1 Peter. The genuineness and inspiration of Enoch were believed in by the writer of the Epistle of Barnabas, Irenaeus, Tertullian and Clement of Alexandria and much of the early church. The epistles of Paul and the gospels also show influences from the Book of Jubilees, which is part of the Ethiopian canon, as well as the Assumption of Moses and the Testaments of the Twelve Patriarchs, which are included in no biblical canon.

 

The high position which some apocryphal books occupied in the first two centuries was undermined by a variety of influences in the Christian church. All claims to the possession of a secret tradition (as held by many Gnostic sects) were denied by the influential theologians like Irenaeus and Tertullian, the timeframe of true inspiration was limited to the apostolic age, and universal acceptance by the church was required as proof of apostolic authorship. As these principles gained currency, books deemed apocryphal tended to become regarded as spurious and heretical writings, though books now considered deuterocanonical have been used in liturgy and theology from the first century to the present.

 

 

[edit] New Testament apocryphal literature

Main article: New Testament apocrypha

New Testament apocrypha — books similar to those in the New Testament but almost universally rejected by Catholics, Orthodox and Protestants — include several gospels and lives of apostles. Some of these were clearly produced by Gnostic authors or members of other groups later defined as heterodox. Many texts believed lost for centuries were unearthed in the 19th and 20th centuries, producing lively speculation about their importance in early Christianity among religious scholars, while many others survive only in the form of quotations from them in other writings; for some, no more than the title is known. Artists and theologians have drawn upon the New Testament apocrypha for such matters as the names of Dismas and Gestas and details about the Three Wise Men. The first explicit mention of the perpetual virginity of Mary is found in the pseudepigraphical Infancy Gospel of James.

 

The Gnostic tradition was a prolific source of apocryphal gospels. While these writings borrowed the characteristic poetic features of apocalyptic literature from Judaism, Gnostic sects largely insisted on allegorical interpretations based on a secret apostolic tradition. With them, as with most Christians of the first and second centuries, apocryphal books were highly esteemed. A well-known Gnostic apocryphal book is the Gospel of Thomas, the only complete text of which was found in the Egyptian town of Nag Hammadi in 1945. The Gospel of Judas, a Gnostic gospel, also received much media attention when it was reconstructed in 2006.

 

Roman Catholics and Orthodox Christians as well as Protestants generally agree on the canon of the New Testament. However there is one notable exception, although the order is not always the same. The Ethiopian Orthodox have in the past also included I & II Clement, and Shepherd of Hermas in their New Testament canon. This is no longer the case.

 

 

[edit] The Shakespeare Apocrypha

Main article: Shakespeare Apocrypha

"The Shakespeare Apocrypha" is the name given to a group of plays that have sometimes been attributed to William Shakespeare, but whose attribution is questionable for various reasons. This is separate from the debate on Shakespearean authorship, which addresses the authorship of the works traditionally attributed to Shakespeare.

 

 

[edit] Zbigniew Herbert's Apocrypha

The polish poet and writer Zbigniew Herbert chose to use the name "Apocrypha" for his writings about historical periods, such as the Dutch Golden Age of the 17th Century. As used in his case, Herbert made no pretense that such "apocrypha" were anything but his own creation.

 

Critic John Carpenter noted that "the term 'apocrypha' is Herbert's own label to designate an event from history that he himself interprets, feeling that he must re-present history because conventional historians have misled us" [1]

 

 

[edit] Notes

^ Specifically, ?p????fa is the neuter plural of ?p????f??, a participle derived from the verb ?p????pt? [infinitive: ?p????pte??], "to hide something away."

^ a b c d e f g h i 1911 Encyclopædia Britannica

^ Wyclif's Bible

^ http://www.eveonline.com

^ Jewish Encyclopedia: Sadducees

^ The Old Testament Canon

^ Ethiopian Orthodox Old Testament

^ Deuterocanonical books literally means books of the second canon. The term was coined in the 16th century.

^ The Style Manual for the Society of Biblical Literature recommends the use of the term deuterocanonical literature instead of apocrypha in academic writing, although not all apocryphal books are properly deuterocanonical.

This article incorporates text from the Encyclopædia Britannica Eleventh Edition, a publication now in the public domain.

Information concerning the Hellenist Jews was incorporated from the Catholic Encyclopedia at newadvent.com.

 

 

[edit] See also

Biblical canon

Biblical apocrypha

Deuterocanonical

Table of books of Judeo-Christian Scripture

Pseudepigraphy

 

 

 

[edit] External links

Look up apocrypha in

Wiktionary, the free dictionary.

Wikiquote has a collection of quotations related to: Apocrypha

Read the Apocrypha Free online downloadable version of the Apocrypha.

Bel and the Dragon online text which is included in the longer version of the Septuagint in the book of Daniel but is apocryphal to the Masoretic texts.

Ethiopian Orthodox Canon Cowley, R.W. "The Biblical Canon Of The Ethiopian Orthodox Church Today." Ostkirchliche Studien, 1974, Volume 23, pp. 318-323. Accessed online via islamicawareness.org.

Complete NT Apocrypha Claims to be the largest collection of New Testament apocrypha online

Major collection of pseudepigrapha Large number of NT and OT apocrypha and general pseudepigrapha

German Apocrypha research Scholarly research site on individual manuscripts.

Deuterocanonical books - Full text from Saint Takla Haymanot Church Website (also presents the full text in Arabic)

The Unknown Lives of Jesus and Mary from the Apocrypha and other little-known sources.

LDS Bible Dictionary > Apocrypha Definition & LDS POV, including brief book descriptions.

Noncanonical Literature

Dark Mirrors of Heaven A look at Biblical creation from non-canonical literature.

Christian Cyclopedia article on Apocrypha

New Testament Allusions to Apocrypha and Pseudepigrapha

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LOL....Sorry, I couldn't resist... :>)

 

CB

[Sjael]

That just made my day CB, thanks. :D

[rowdy27]

bullsh*t!

[charlie brown]

In all seriousness, there's nothing wrong with Gibson tuners. Or "Grover's for that matter. Most (not all, but most)

tuning problems, beyond stretching strings, improperly wound on the tuning peg, or some more obvious structural

problem, is quite often in the "nut!" Binding, usually because the slots are too narrow, or just need to be smoothed

out, somewhat. If you hear a "pinging" noise or a kind of jerking action, when tuning, that's very typical of strings

binding in the nut. As to new tuners dropping in, without modification? Probably, as long as you use similar type.

Vintage to Vintage, etc. If you go to screw in bushings, then you may have to rout the holes, a bit. If you guitar

already has screw in busings, that probably won't be necessary. If you want to go TO "Vintage" from Grover's or

others with the screw in bushings, you'll need to get the larger push in bushing, for the larger holes. They are

fairly easy to find. I think "Stew Mac" sells both kinds.

 

Hope that's of some help.

 

CB

[antwhi2001]

I suspect that the complainer was talking about either a faded LP Special model or a Melody Maker. The comments about the wood grain showing through the finish and poor spray job might be fair in that case. However, that's the main reason those guitars are relatively cheap. Most of those models also have the cheap looking/feeling tuners with the small white plastic keys, and you do get people complaining about their quality. I changed mine on my doublecut for Gibson Klusons.

 

However, a lot of the stuff he says sounds like b*llshit. Sounds like someone who doesn't know what they're talking about. I think you'll find most luthiers would tell you the low-end Gibsons are very good value players' guitars. To suggest that current Gibsons are produced for collecting rather than playing is downright stupid. They are so mass-produced now that they'll never be worth a fortune, even in 50 years time.

 

A lot of Gibsons are factory-fitted with Grovers. I don't know if current Gibson production is USA Grovers or Asian manufactured, but all the Asian Epi Grovers I've had have been fine anyway.

[generation zero]

 

Apocrypha

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For the section found in some bibles called Apocrypha, see Biblical apocrypha. For the X-Files episode, see Apocrypha (The X-Files).

Apocrypha (from the Greek word ?p????fa, meaning "those having been hidden away"[1']) are texts of uncertain authenticity, or writings where the authorship is questioned. When used in the specific context of Judeo-Christian theology, the term apocrypha refers to any collection of scriptural texts that falls outside the canon. Given that different denominations have different ideas about what constitutes canonical scripture, there are several different versions of the apocrypha. During sixteenth-century controversies over the biblical canon the word "apocrypha" acquired a negative connotation, and it has become a synonym for "spurious" or "false." This usage usually involves fictitious or legendary accounts that are plausible enough to be commonly considered as truth. For example, Laozi's alleged authorship of the Tao Te Ching, Napoleon Bonaparte's self-coronation rather than at the hands of Pope Pius VII, and the Parson Weems account of George Washington and the cherry tree, are all considered 'apocryphal'.

 

Contents [hide]

1 Denotation and connotation

1.1 Esoteric writings

1.2 Writings of questionable value

1.3 Spurious writings

1.4 Other meanings

2 Apocryphal texts by denomination

2.1 Jewish apocrypha

2.2 Biblical books called apocrypha

2.3 New Testament apocryphal literature

3 The Shakespeare Apocrypha

4 Zbigniew Herbert's Apocrypha

5 Notes

6 See also

7 External links

 

 

 

[edit] Denotation and connotation

The term "apocrypha" has evolved in meaning somewhat, and its associated implications have ranged from positive to pejorative. The term apocryphal, according to Merriam-Webster, means "writings or statements of dubious authenticity."

 

 

[edit] Esoteric writings

The word "apocryphal" (?p????f??) was first applied, in a positive sense, to writings which were kept secret because they were the vehicles of esoteric knowledge considered too profound or too sacred to be disclosed to anyone other than the initiated. It is used in this sense to describe A Holy and Secret Book of Moses, called Eighth, or Holy (???s??? ?e?? ß?ß??? ?p????f?? ?p??a???µe?? ??d?? ? ???a), a text taken from a Leiden papyrus of the third or fourth century AD, but which may be as old as the first century. In a similar vein, the disciples of the Gnostic Prodicus boasted that they possessed the secret (?p????fa) books of Zoroaster. The term in general enjoyed high consideration among the Gnostics (see Acts of Thomas, 10, 27, 44).[2]

 

 

[edit] Writings of questionable value

"Apocrypha" was also applied to writings that were hidden not because of their divinity but because of their questionable value to the church. Many in Protestant traditions cite Revelation 22:18-19 as a potential curse for those who attach any canonical authority to extra-biblical writings such as the Apocrypha. However, a strict exegesis of this text would indicate it was meant for only the Book of Revelation. Revelation 22:18-19 (KJV) states: "(18) For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: (19) And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book." In this case, if we hold to a strict hermeneutic, this "book of prophecy" does not refer to the Bible as a whole but to the Book of Revelation. However, the Book of Revelation is considered to be the completion of the Bible, the ribbon around the package, if you will. Origen, in Commentaries on Matthew, X. 18, XIII. 57, distinguishes between writings which were read by the churches and apocryphal writings: ??af? µ? fe??µ??? µ?? ?? t??? ??????? ?a? ded?µ?s?e?µ????? ß?ß????? e???? d' ?t? ?? ?p????f??? fe??µ??? (writing not found on the common and published books in one hand, actually found on the secret ones on the other). The meaning of ap????f?? is here practically equivalent to "excluded from the public use of the church", and prepares the way for an even less favourable use of the word.[2]

 

 

[edit] Spurious writings

In general use, the word "apocrypha" came to mean "false, spurious, bad, or heretical." This meaning also appears in Origen's prologue to his commentary on the Song of Songs, of which only the Latin translation survives: De scripturis his, quae appellantur apocryphae, pro eo quod multa in iis corrupta et contra fidem veram inveniuntur a majoribus tradita non placuit iis dari locum nec admitti ad auctoritatem.[2] "Concerning these scriptures, which are called apocryphal, for the reason that many things are found in them corrupt and against the true faith handed down by the elders, it has pleased them that they not be given a place nor be admitted to authority." (Translation by a Wikipedia editor.)

 

 

[edit] Other meanings

Other uses of apocrypha developed over the history of Western Christianity. The Gelasian Decree refers to religious works by church fathers Eusebius, Tertullian and Clement of Alexandria as apocrypha. Augustine defined the word as meaning simply "obscurity of origin," implying that any book of unknown authorship or questionable authenticity would be considered as apocrypha. On the other hand, Jerome (in Protogus Galeatus) declared that all books outside the Hebrew canon were apocryphal.[2] In practice, Jerome treated some books outside the Hebrew canon as if they were canonical, and the Western Church did not accept Jerome's definition of apocrypha, instead retaining the word's prior meaning (see: Deuterocanon). As a result, various church authorities labeled different books as apocrypha, treating them with varying levels of regard.

 

Some apocryphal books were included in the Septuagint with little distinction made between them and the rest of the Old Testament. Origen, Clement and others cited some apocryphal books as "scripture", "divine scripture", "inspired", and the like. On the other hand, teachers connected with Palestine and familiar with the Hebrew canon excluded from the canon all of the Old Testament not found there. This view is reflected in the canon of Melito of Sardis, and in the prefaces and letters of Jerome.[2] A third view was that the books were not as valuable as the canonical scriptures of the Hebrew collection, but were of value for moral uses, as introductory texts for new converts from paganism, and to be read in congregations. They were referred to as "ecclesiastical" works by Rufinus.[2]

 

These three opinions regarding the apocryphal books prevailed until the Protestant Reformation, when the idea of what constitutes canon became a matter of primary concern for Roman Catholics and Protestants alike. In 1546 the Catholic Council of Trent reconfirmed the canon of Augustine, dating to the second and third centuries, declaring "He is also to be anathema who does not receive these entire books, with all their parts, as they have been accustomed to be read in the Catholic Church, and are found in the ancient editions of the Latin Vulgate, as sacred and canonical." The whole of the books in question, with the exception of 1st and 2nd Esdras and the Prayer of Manasses, were declared canonical at Trent.[2] The Protestants, in comparison, were diverse in their opinion of the deuterocanon. Some reckoned them among the inspired books, others rejected them. Anglicans took a middle way between the Catholic Church and the Protestant sects; they kept them as Christian intertestamental readings, and while a part of the Bible, no doctrine should be based on them. John Wycliffe, a 14th century humanist, had declared in his Biblical translation that "whatever book is in the Old Testament besides these twenty-five shall be set among the apocrypha, that is, without authority or belief."[2] Nevertheless, his translation of the Bible included the apocrypha and the Epistle of the Loadiceans.[3]

 

The respect accorded to apocryphal books varied between Protestant denominations. In both the German (1537) and English (1535) translations of the Bible, the apocrypha are published in a separate section from the other books, although the Lutheran and Anglican lists are different. In some editions, (like the Westminster), readers were warned that these books were not "to be any otherwise approved or made use of than other human writings." A milder distinction was expressed elsewhere, such as in the "argument" introducing them in the Geneva Bible, and in the Sixth Article of the Church of England, where it is said that "the other books the church doth read for example of life and instruction of manners," though not to establish doctrine.[2]

 

According to The Apocrypha, Bridge of the Testaments at orthodoxanglican.net:

 

On the other hand, the Anglican Communion emphatically maintains that the Apocrypha is part of the Bible and is to be read with respect by her members. Two of the hymns used in the American Prayer Book office of Morning Prayer, the Benedictus es and Benedicite, are taken from the Apocrypha. One of the offertory sentences in Holy Communion comes from an apocryphal book (Tob. 4: 8-9). Lessons from the Apocrypha are regularly appointed to be read in the daily, Sunday, and special services of Morning and Evening Prayer. There are altogether 111 such lessons in the latest revised American Prayer Book Lectionary [The books used are: II Esdras, Tobit, Wisdom, Ecclesiasticus, Baruch, Three Holy Children, and I Maccabees.] The position of the Church is best summarized in the words of Article Six of the Thirty-nine Articles: “In the name of Holy Scripture we do understand those canonical Books of the Old and New Testament, of whose authority there was never any doubt in the Church… And the other Books (as Hierome [st. Jerome] saith) the Church doth read for example of life and instruction of manners; but yet doth it not apply them to establish any doctrine…”

 

On a side note, Apocrypha is also the name of the March 2009 Expansion to Eve Online [4].

 

 

[edit] Apocryphal texts by denomination

 

[edit] Jewish apocrypha

Main article: Jewish apocrypha

Although traditional rabbinical Judaism insists on the exclusive canonization of the current 24 books in the Tanakh, it also claims to have an oral law handed down from Moses. The Sadducees - unlike the Pharisees but like the Samaritans - seem to have maintained an earlier and smaller number of texts as canonical, preferring to hold to only what was written in the Law of Moses[5] (making most of the presently accepted canon, both Jewish and Christian, apocryphal in their eyes). Certain circles in Judaism, such as the Essenes in Judea and the Therapeutae in Egypt, were said to have a secret literature (see Dead Sea scrolls). Other traditions maintained different customs regarding canonicity.[6] The Ethiopic Jews, for instance, seem to have retained a spread of canonical texts similar to the Ethiopian Orthodox Christians,[7] cf Encyclopedia Judaica, Vol 6, p 1147. A large part of this literature consisted of the apocalypses. Based on prophecies, these apocalyptic books were not considered scripture by all, but rather part of a literary form that flourished from 200 BC to AD 100.[citation needed]

 

 

[edit] Biblical books called apocrypha

Main article: Biblical apocrypha

During the birth of Christianity, some of the Jewish apocrypha that dealt with the coming of the Messianic kingdom became popular in the rising Jewish-Christian communities. Occasionally these writings were changed or added to, but on the whole it was found sufficient to reinterpret them as conforming to a Christian viewpoint. Christianity eventually gave birth to new apocalyptic works, some of which were derived from traditional Jewish sources. Some of the Jewish apocrypha were part of the ordinary religious literature of the early Christians. This was not strange, as the large majority of Old Testament references in the New Testament are taken from the Greek Septuagint, which is the source of the deuterocanonical books[8] as well as most of the other biblical apocrypha.[9]

 

Slightly varying collections of additional Books (called deuterocanonical by the Roman Catholic Church) form part of the Roman Catholic, Eastern Orthodox and Oriental Orthodox canons.

 

The Book of Enoch is included in the biblical canon only of the Oriental Orthodox churches of Ethiopia and Eritrea. The Epistle of Jude quotes the book of Enoch, and some believe the use of this book also appears in the four gospels and 1 Peter. The genuineness and inspiration of Enoch were believed in by the writer of the Epistle of Barnabas, Irenaeus, Tertullian and Clement of Alexandria and much of the early church. The epistles of Paul and the gospels also show influences from the Book of Jubilees, which is part of the Ethiopian canon, as well as the Assumption of Moses and the Testaments of the Twelve Patriarchs, which are included in no biblical canon.

 

The high position which some apocryphal books occupied in the first two centuries was undermined by a variety of influences in the Christian church. All claims to the possession of a secret tradition (as held by many Gnostic sects) were denied by the influential theologians like Irenaeus and Tertullian, the timeframe of true inspiration was limited to the apostolic age, and universal acceptance by the church was required as proof of apostolic authorship. As these principles gained currency, books deemed apocryphal tended to become regarded as spurious and heretical writings, though books now considered deuterocanonical have been used in liturgy and theology from the first century to the present.

 

 

[edit] New Testament apocryphal literature

Main article: New Testament apocrypha

New Testament apocrypha — books similar to those in the New Testament but almost universally rejected by Catholics, Orthodox and Protestants — include several gospels and lives of apostles. Some of these were clearly produced by Gnostic authors or members of other groups later defined as heterodox. Many texts believed lost for centuries were unearthed in the 19th and 20th centuries, producing lively speculation about their importance in early Christianity among religious scholars, while many others survive only in the form of quotations from them in other writings; for some, no more than the title is known. Artists and theologians have drawn upon the New Testament apocrypha for such matters as the names of Dismas and Gestas and details about the Three Wise Men. The first explicit mention of the perpetual virginity of Mary is found in the pseudepigraphical Infancy Gospel of James.

 

The Gnostic tradition was a prolific source of apocryphal gospels. While these writings borrowed the characteristic poetic features of apocalyptic literature from Judaism, Gnostic sects largely insisted on allegorical interpretations based on a secret apostolic tradition. With them, as with most Christians of the first and second centuries, apocryphal books were highly esteemed. A well-known Gnostic apocryphal book is the Gospel of Thomas, the only complete text of which was found in the Egyptian town of Nag Hammadi in 1945. The Gospel of Judas, a Gnostic gospel, also received much media attention when it was reconstructed in 2006.

 

Roman Catholics and Orthodox Christians as well as Protestants generally agree on the canon of the New Testament. However there is one notable exception, although the order is not always the same. The Ethiopian Orthodox have in the past also included I & II Clement, and Shepherd of Hermas in their New Testament canon. This is no longer the case.

 

 

[edit] The Shakespeare Apocrypha

Main article: Shakespeare Apocrypha

"The Shakespeare Apocrypha" is the name given to a group of plays that have sometimes been attributed to William Shakespeare, but whose attribution is questionable for various reasons. This is separate from the debate on Shakespearean authorship, which addresses the authorship of the works traditionally attributed to Shakespeare.

 

 

[edit] Zbigniew Herbert's Apocrypha

The polish poet and writer Zbigniew Herbert chose to use the name "Apocrypha" for his writings about historical periods, such as the Dutch Golden Age of the 17th Century. As used in his case, Herbert made no pretense that such "apocrypha" were anything but his own creation.

 

Critic John Carpenter noted that "the term 'apocrypha' is Herbert's own label to designate an event from history that he himself interprets, feeling that he must re-present history because conventional historians have misled us" [1]

 

 

[edit] Notes

^ Specifically, ?p????fa is the neuter plural of ?p????f??, a participle derived from the verb ?p????pt? [infinitive: ?p????pte??], "to hide something away."

^ a b c d e f g h i 1911 Encyclopædia Britannica

^ Wyclif's Bible

^ http://www.eveonline.com

^ Jewish Encyclopedia: Sadducees

^ The Old Testament Canon

^ Ethiopian Orthodox Old Testament

^ Deuterocanonical books literally means books of the second canon. The term was coined in the 16th century.

^ The Style Manual for the Society of Biblical Literature recommends the use of the term deuterocanonical literature instead of apocrypha in academic writing, although not all apocryphal books are properly deuterocanonical.

This article incorporates text from the Encyclopædia Britannica Eleventh Edition, a publication now in the public domain.

Information concerning the Hellenist Jews was incorporated from the Catholic Encyclopedia at newadvent.com.

 

 

[edit] See also

Biblical canon

Biblical apocrypha

Deuterocanonical

Table of books of Judeo-Christian Scripture

Pseudepigraphy

 

 

 

[edit] External links

Look up apocrypha in

Wiktionary, the free dictionary.

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Read the Apocrypha Free online downloadable version of the Apocrypha.

Bel and the Dragon online text which is included in the longer version of the Septuagint in the book of Daniel but is apocryphal to the Masoretic texts.

Ethiopian Orthodox Canon Cowley, R.W. "The Biblical Canon Of The Ethiopian Orthodox Church Today." Ostkirchliche Studien, 1974, Volume 23, pp. 318-323. Accessed online via islamicawareness.org.

Complete NT Apocrypha Claims to be the largest collection of New Testament apocrypha online

Major collection of pseudepigrapha Large number of NT and OT apocrypha and general pseudepigrapha

German Apocrypha research Scholarly research site on individual manuscripts.

Deuterocanonical books - Full text from Saint Takla Haymanot Church Website (also presents the full text in Arabic)

The Unknown Lives of Jesus and Mary from the Apocrypha and other little-known sources.

LDS Bible Dictionary > Apocrypha Definition & LDS POV, including brief book descriptions.

Noncanonical Literature

Dark Mirrors of Heaven A look at Biblical creation from non-canonical literature.

Christian Cyclopedia article on Apocrypha

New Testament Allusions to Apocrypha and Pseudepigrapha

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LOL....Sorry, I couldn't resist... :>)

 

CB

 

You had me at "dubious"... LOL!

[carverman]

What a waste of bandwith! I guess it's the old story..if you have nothing to complain about..bash Gibson!

One person's opinion does not make it a universal truth. As far as I'm concerned there is nothing wrong

with Gibson guitars now or in the past or their Kluson tuners. The Klusons give a Gibson a distinct look

and sets it apart from all the other Chinese made guitars.

 

Some Gibsons are collectors items because of their rarity or uniqueness, but from what I've seen over

the years and today on TV, Gibsons are the preferred choice of most guitarists who can afford them.

 

The only problem is that they are more susceptible to being stolen than the asian made brands.

[Sinb]

What a waste of bandwith! I guess it's the old story..if you have nothing to complain about..bash Gibson!

One person's opinion does not make it a universal truth. As far as I'm concerned there is nothing wrong

with Gibson guitars now or in the past or their Kluson tuners. The Klusons give a Gibson a distinct look

and sets it apart from all the other Chinese made guitars.

 

Some Gibsons are collectors items because of their rarity or uniqueness' date=' but from what I've seen over

the years and today on TV, Gibsons are the preferred choice of most guitarists who can afford them.

 

The only problem is that they are more susceptible to being stolen than the asian made brands.[/quote']

 

I wasnt bashin Gibson at all. I love them besides the fact that they are overpriced! Being 2 or 3 thousand $ for a decent standard LP is downright rediculous. And my question was about the Klusons whether or not they were reliable.

[generation zero]

I haven't had any issues with the two sets I have... One I bought as an upgrade for my fake, and one came stock on my traditional. I like the look, but I prefer the metal grovers with the tulip shaped buttons... My other guitarist has those on his gibbys, and they do feel a little bit more substantial. But, as far as I am concerned, the klusons are fine... Although there are probably better tuners out there for a comparable price.

[lpfan]

In all seriousness' date=' there's nothing wrong with Gibson tuners. Or "Grover's for that matter. Most (not all, but most)

tuning problems, beyond stretching strings, improperly wound on the tuning peg, or some more obvious structural

problem, is quite often in the "nut!" Binding, usually because the slots are too narrow, or just need to be smoothed

out, somewhat. If you hear a "pinging" noise or a kind of jerking action, when tuning, that's very typical of strings

binding in the nut. As to new tuners dropping in, without modification? Probably, as long as you use similar type.

Vintage to Vintage, etc. If you go to screw in bushings, then you may have to rout the holes, a bit. If you guitar

already has screw in busings, that probably won't be necessary. If you want to go TO "Vintage" from Grover's or

others with the screw in bushings, you'll need to get the larger push in bushing, for the larger holes. They are

fairly easy to find. I think "Stew Mac" sells both kinds.

 

Hope that's of some help.

 

CB[/quote']

 

Hey Cb, how do fix the nut when it makes that ping sound when you are tuning?

[carverman]

 

I wasnt bashin Gibson at all. I love them besides the fact that they are overpriced! Being 2 or 3 thousand $ for a decent standard LP is downright rediculous. And my question was about the Klusons whether or not they were reliable.

 

The reason Gibsons cost more is that they are made by US labour in US factories that

pay US wages and corporate taxes. Someone has to pay the actual costs of the

factory, distributor and retail store, that someone is the consumer. Epiphones

made offshore are a cheaper and more affordable alternative for most.

 

As far as Kluson keystone tuners, they are traditional on most Gibsons.

The 14:1 ratio allows easy of tuning and with good strings, you only need to touch

up the tuning occasionally. Yes there are better tuners out there like 16:1 Grover

kidney beans and others, some with 18:1 ratios..but most serious players acknowledge

that the treble strings stretch as you play them and require periodic tuning adjustments.

[HarpBoy]

bullsh*t!

 

Ya, apocryphal could be roughly translated bullsh*t.

 

CB, that made me laugh out loud.

 

Everybody ought to have a handful of $1000 words in their back pocket.

[charlie brown]

It was a "rediculous waste of band width!" I apologize, but just couldn't resist. ;>)

 

CB

[charlie brown]

 

Hey Cb' date=' how do fix the nut when it makes that ping sound when you are tuning?

[/quote']

 

LP...did you get my PM, regarding this?

 

CB

[lpfan]

CB.... Yes I got it. Thank you so much!

 

LP