morty Posted October 4, 2010 Share Posted October 4, 2010 looking at buying a marshall stack, the valve state or the ma but which is better for blues rock such as zz top and also guns n roses, aerosmith, hmmmmmmmm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morty Posted October 4, 2010 Author Share Posted October 4, 2010 thanks guys! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dem00n Posted October 4, 2010 Share Posted October 4, 2010 Have you tried any? Try them all, please...then come back to us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morty Posted October 4, 2010 Author Share Posted October 4, 2010 i dont think any shops round here stocks them, crazy, but i am able to buy them online Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dem00n Posted October 4, 2010 Share Posted October 4, 2010 Never buy an Amp without trying it, its like marrying a girl you never met before and only saw pics of her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sinner 13 Posted October 4, 2010 Share Posted October 4, 2010 Never buy an Amp without trying it, its like marrying a girl you never met before and only saw pics of her. +1 dem00n All I can add to that is take YOUR own axe with you. that's like marrying a girl you've NEVER met OR seen pictures of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sinner 13 Posted October 4, 2010 Share Posted October 4, 2010 And P.S. don't succumb to the "Must Have Marshall" mentality either. I have a Fender half stack that will rip Most Marshall's to shreds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dem00n Posted October 4, 2010 Share Posted October 4, 2010 Yeah try all the amps, even combos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morty Posted October 4, 2010 Author Share Posted October 4, 2010 thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deepblue Posted October 4, 2010 Share Posted October 4, 2010 The Valvestate has one 12AX7 in the pre-amp. Other than that its solid state. I have a 50w Valvestate combo. Its not too bad sound wise, but comes no where near what my Orange all tube sounds like. Get the best 100% tube amp that you can afford. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeoConMan Posted October 4, 2010 Share Posted October 4, 2010 Get the best 100% tube amp that you can afford. Ditto. Problem with trying a Marshall out at ANY retail shop is volume. Are you planning to play it at polite "bedroom" volume once you buy it? If you're buying it to crank it, that's gonna be tough. Guitar Center just before closing time maybe? (Not that I would actually BUY anything from them, but I might pester them enough to let me shake the walls.) BTW, I have an old JCM 800 full stack that I rarely ever turn on. Fender combo amps work great for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morty Posted October 5, 2010 Author Share Posted October 5, 2010 silly question, a tube amp means? i thought tube was valves and the vs is valves? does billy gibbons use tube amps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morty Posted October 5, 2010 Author Share Posted October 5, 2010 silly question, a tube amp means? i thought tube was valves and the vs is valves? does billy gibbons use tube amps? thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riffster Posted October 5, 2010 Share Posted October 5, 2010 Morty, some folks here do not realize you are in the UK. We call valves tubes in the US. same thing. If you do not have the opportunity to try out amps then you are going to have to do a lot of reading and looking in youtube.com for sound samples and demos. Then you can buy online with a little more of an educated guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morty Posted October 5, 2010 Author Share Posted October 5, 2010 yeah they are nice but very expensive , the valve state is secondhand and not expensive, i wanted a marshall amp with the classic tone, the vs is valves/tubes ain't it, what are the American made amp brands, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morty Posted October 5, 2010 Author Share Posted October 5, 2010 yeah they are nice but very expensive , the valve state is secondhand and not expensive, i wanted a marshall amp with the classic tone, the vs is valves/tubes ain't it, what are the American made amp brands, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHO Posted October 5, 2010 Share Posted October 5, 2010 Last time I looked at a Valvestate (there's probably a new generation of Valvstates by now)they only had one 12AX7 (or ECC83 for us Euroweenies) in the preamp section, the rest is all solid state, meaning transistors. Hence the name Valvestate, it's a valve and solid state amp. If I recall correctly, the valve in the preamp didnt really do anything worthwhile as a reason to add a valve in there other than as a sales pitch. I think it was just used for the input section of the amp and not in any of the "real" gainstages, meaning any distortion you get will be done with diodes. On the other hand, Marshall has used diodes to generate distortion in some of their "real" tube amps as well, so if that's the classic Marshall sound you're after then the Valvestate might do it! The power amp section is solid state. This means you won't get the power amp tube distortion that plays a big part in many classic tones. Wether you need it or not, only you can answer that. If you're looking at a 100W valve stack, chances are you'll never hear the power amp clip into distortion anyway because unless you're playing arenas people will probably tell you to turn it down before it happens. I played two first generation Valvestates quite a lot back in the day. I must say I hated both. I had the 100W head, and the stereo rack mounted power amp. They sounded ok when I played on my own, but it was impossible for me to cut through when I played with the band. It just got drowned out no matter what I did. Since I had the same problem with the rack mounted power amp no matter what I plugged into it (Boss preamp/multi effetcs, MESA/Boogie studio preamp and other things) as I did with the head I decided they just sucked balls, ditched them and bought all valve MESA/Boogie gear and never looked back. They might have imporved the Valvstate technology since then, I just don't know. And some pros did use them (Chuck Shuldiner of Death among others) so maybe I was just unlucky or sucked at useing them. But if I were you, and I was going to spend some money on a stack, I'd get the real deal and go all valve/tubewhat ever you want to call it. The Valvestates were, and probably still are, cheap for a reason. But, again, they might work for you so trying them out might still be a good idea. Hope this helps somewhat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riverside Posted October 5, 2010 Share Posted October 5, 2010 Build one of these: http://www.stf-electronics.com/Page0015.Html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sinner 13 Posted October 5, 2010 Share Posted October 5, 2010 Not mine................. I said Most.... not all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sinner 13 Posted October 5, 2010 Share Posted October 5, 2010 lol so spill..... whatchoo got? I I I I I v Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morty Posted October 5, 2010 Author Share Posted October 5, 2010 looking at the fender hot rod amp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morty Posted October 5, 2010 Author Share Posted October 5, 2010 looking at the fender hot rod amp, are these able to make the tone of zz top, how many options are there to customize the different tones are they well made and do they work well with gibbys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeoConMan Posted October 6, 2010 Share Posted October 6, 2010 Hot Rod DeVille 4x10. All the amp you'll ever need for what you're talking about. I have the 2x12. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morty Posted October 6, 2010 Author Share Posted October 6, 2010 Hot Rod DeVille 4x10. All the amp you'll ever need for what you're talking about. I have the 2x12. will they be suitable for giging Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morty Posted October 6, 2010 Author Share Posted October 6, 2010 will they be suitable for giging and why have they not got the colour red Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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