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I'm planning to buy an Epiphone Les Paul Special II from a questionable dealer here in the Philippines... after further examination of the said item and after comparing it with authentic pictures of the Epiphone Les Paul Special II which I got online, I'm having doubts about its authenticity because of some minor discrepancies. First, I noticed that what he was selling has different tuning knobs compared with real ones and the "i" on the white "Special II" logo on the guitar head is missing a dot... Am I just being paranoid and this is just because of factory manufacturing issues or is it really fake???

 

*attached are some pictures of the questionable item(the knobs I'm talking about are basically identical to the one in the picture shown last but but I got the picture from a different guitar color of the same brand and model.

*BTW, its serial number is MC2309XXXX

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I'm planning to buy an Epiphone Les Paul Special II from a questionable dealer here in the Philippines...

I'm having doubts about its authenticity because of some minor discrepancies.

Am I just being paranoid and this is just because of factory manufacturing issues or is it really fake???

 

*BTW, its serial number is MC2309XXXX

 

Gin, Welcome to the FORUM! Right place to ask your questions.

Good eye for detail on your part, and good that you did some research.

I believe your potential git is NOT an Authentic EPI ( [cursing][cursing][cursing] )

Just MY opinion, others may also comment... [biggrin]

 

I'll state what I DON'T like about what I see, then post some comparison

pics from a Special II I did up as a project...

 

1. Serial Number - Indicates the git was made in Muse, China in....SEP 1923!

 

2. Front view - Looks legit, but I don't see any EPI factory Lettering/printing

on the plastic stickers covering the pickups. (Could be camera angle?).

 

3. Front of Headstock - You're right, the dot on the "I" is missing. Tuners also

have a chrome washer under the insert, which is NOT normal. Your Epiphone Logo is

also TOO straight across, no "angle" to it...

 

4. Rear of Headstock - NOT EPI Factory Tuners. Factory tuners have "Stamped out"

covers with 2 screws. The ones on it look like the lower cost ones I can buy from "Guitarfetish".

 

5. Rear of Git, Control cover plate - Real EPIs have a smaller oval-shaped cover plate.

The git in your pic has a larger "D"-shaped cover like what I would find on a DEAN Guitar.

 

PICTURES:

First pic will be REAL EPI, second will be guitar you're asking about...

 

Front of Headstock -

 

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Rear of Headstock -

 

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Control Cover Plate -

 

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4. Rear of Headstock - NOT EPI Factory Tuners. Factory tuners have "Stamped out"

covers with 2 screws. The ones on it look like the lower cost ones I can buy from "Guitarfetish".

The stamped tuners that Epi uses on their low-end guitars are total crapola and should be replaced anyway.

 

The ones on the fake actually look like better tuners.

 

Why not buy from an authorized dealer and get a "real" Gibson copy?

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The stamped tuners that Epi uses on their low-end guitars are total crapola

and should be replaced anyway.

 

The ones on the fake actually look like better tuners.

 

brain - 100% agreement on the tuners. Out of the 6 on my last Special II project

git, ONE had SO MUCH slop that I had to dig out the tuners from the 70s Hondo and

replace the internal EPI tuner gear with the Hondo Gear. EPI ACTUALLY would do better by using

the other tuners shown.

 

I'm sorry, but I do not respond to the posts by potential counterfeiters I refuse

to reply and so should others. I'm not going to teach others how to fake a guitar.

Especially since this is your 1st post. [thumbdn][cursing]

 

Rewd - We've ALL got to have a "First post" sometime! My first post was

around Jan 2009. I THINK I remember being "warmly Greeted".

Don't think you've got to worry on this one. If I was planning on

starting a "Makee-Fakee" business with potential world-wide distribution,

I wouldn't ask for advice, I WOULD BUY a REAL ONE and use IT as my guide

as I could SEE the "real deal" and take all my measurements, etc. from it...

[biggrin][biggrin][biggrin]

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I'm sorry, but I do not respond to the posts by potential counterfeiters I refuse to reply and so should others. I'm not going to teach others how to fake a guitar. Especially since this is your 1st post. [thumbdn][cursing]

 

Good point Dawg, #-o

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