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Alan17

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Two queries ...

 

I have an Epi 'Invader' which seems to be a version of the Epi LP Junior, but was probably sold as part of a starter pack. (There's very little info available anywhere). The tuners are rubbish and I'd like to replace them with Grovers or Gotohs .... has anyone done that and, if so, can you identify which of the many tuners they make are the right ones for this guitar? The Tone pot also crackles so I may have to replace that as well.

 

BUT --- I'm wondering about ditching the Invader and using what funds I have available to buy the Epi LP 100. (I don't think I can raise the money for a 'Studio'). Has anyone got any experience of this guitar in the Epi range? I've looked on Youtube and the demos look interesting.

 

I'm not a distortion freak and usually play with clean tones plus reverb and some phasing.

 

Thanks for any suggestions or comments.

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It looks like the Invader is really a Junior with a covered humbucker instead of open-coil.

 

EpiLPJnrmodded3.jpg

 

Except for the 2nd pickup and TOM bridge, I think the 100s are very similar with the bolt-on neck, plywood body, low-end electronics, pressed-metal tuners, etc. so not much of an upgrade from a Jr.

 

At least the Studios are arch-top, have a set-neck, solid wood body, Grover tuners, and (I think) better pickups.

 

Maybe hold out for a used Studio?

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It looks like the Invader is really a Junior with a covered humbucker instead of open-coil.

 

EpiLPJnrmodded3.jpg

 

Except for the 2nd pickup and TOM bridge, I think the 100s are very similar with the bolt-on neck, plywood body, low-end electronics, pressed-metal tuners, etc. so not much of an upgrade from a Jr.

 

At least the Studios are arch-top, have a set-neck, solid wood body, Grover tuners, and (I think) better pickups.

 

Maybe hold out for a used Studio?

Hey, that picture looks more like a P94

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Hey, that picture looks more like a P94

All of the Epiphone Invader pics I found had an uncovered humbucker. I think the Invader was just the LP Jr. HB Player Pack.

 

As far as tuners go, the LP Jr. is equipped with 8mm pressed tuners. Replacing them with Grovers or Gotohs means that you will have to drill the holes out to 10mm.

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All of the Epiphone Invader pics I found had an uncovered humbucker. I think the Invader was just the LP Jr. HB Player Pack.

 

As far as tuners go, the LP Jr. is equipped with 8mm pressed tuners. Replacing them with Grovers or Gotohs means that you will have to drill the holes out to 10mm.

Yep, that's right. That Invader pic I pulled from the web must be a GFS P94 clone upgrade. Looks nice actually.

 

Alan, don't discount the Agiles in your search, they're a lot of guit for the green: http://www.rondomusic.com/electricguitar-ss11.html

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As far as tuners go, the LP Jr. is equipped with 8mm pressed tuners. Replacing them with Grovers or Gotohs means that you will have to drill the holes out to 10mm.

AND...Let's not forget about getting the old bushings out. I imagine a few head stocks have been damaged in the process. You may be able to find 8mm tuners however. I do think Guitarfetish has some that might fit. They are Klugson knock offs. ( about $22+ shipping) You would have to remove a tuner, measure the hole in the bushing and then contact Guitarfetish to see if they would match the existing bushings. Unfortunately, they do not post their specs on their web sight.

 

Also, consider the L.P.100 is, I believe, about $300. Not sure what tuners come on them. You would not want to find yourself in the same situation with a brand new guitar.

For $300 (and a little shopping around) you have other choices including the Vintage G-400 and the Wilshire Pro.

 

Maybe someone in here has (or has had) a 100 and knows for sure about the tuners.

 

Willy

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Two queries ...

 

The Tone pot also crackles so I may have to replace that as well.

 

BUT --- I'm wondering about ditching the Invader and using what funds I have available

to buy the Epi LP 100.

(I don't think I can raise the money for a 'Studio'). Has anyone got any experience

of this guitar in the Epi range?

 

 

Except for the 2nd pickup and TOM bridge, I think the 100s are very similar with the bolt-on neck, plywood body, low-end electronics, pressed-metal tuners, etc. so not much of an upgrade from a Jr.

 

At least the Studios are arch-top, have a set-neck, solid wood body, Grover tuners, and (I think) better pickups.

 

Maybe hold out for a used Studio?

 

 

Alan17 - Obviously, WELCOME to the FORUM!!!

I did some "quote-chopping" so I could ask a question, provide a link about

your scratchy tone pot, then add comment.

 

You used the term "Rubbish" - are you located in Europe or USA? This will

greatly influence recommendations as to where to hunt for a STUDIO that will

match your price requirements.

And, the "pressed Metal" Tuners that come with the "Lower end" EPIs (Including LP-100)

are not exactly something to go outside and dance over.

Internal construction allows too much slop with gearing. For an entry-level or

"Beater" guitar, they're passable. The STUDIO has MUCH better Grovers - you can actually

keep 'em!

 

HOWEVER, should your finances dictate an EPI LP-100, by all means go for it!

There is NO SHAME in having an LP-100!!! I ALMOST bought one myself back when the

Guitar Bug bit me again after being away from it for several years. I kept going

back and forth between the LP-100 and the Studio. Ended up with the studio because the

price was right and I wanted the set-neck. STILL have it (see signature).

 

Regarding your TONE POT: Here's a link to EPI Lounge DIY thread. Click

on it, then scroll down to "Electrical Hum/Scratchy Pots" section. You'll

see a thread called "Clean Scratchy-sounding Pots". Click that link. It's

an option before replacing pot. Your decision!

 

DIY Link:

http://forum.gibson.com/index.php?/topic/51292-the-d0-it-yourself-thread-look-here-for-tech-related-questions/

 

 

Regarding your possible purchase of a STUDIO:

Do you have your heart set on a BRAND-SPANKING-NEW one, or would you consider

a Used/Factory Restock Studio with small cosmetic issues IF this would bring

it down to the price of an LP-100?

 

Are you flexible regarding Guitar Finish/Color?

The reason I ask is because of the above comment, AND, from time to time

places like Musician's Friend (USA Based) will discount Colors that are not selling

as well as others. I have 2 older Flyers from previous purchases (expired now) that

featured an ALPINE WHITE Studio for $249.00 USA Brand New. Gave you a "Special discount Code"

to use to get the price.

 

Oh, yeah - and Welcome to the Forum. [biggrin][biggrin][biggrin]

Just MY input. Work with us (We're the folks on the "Friendly Forum") and

we'll do our best to help you find what you want! [thumbup]

 

Oh, yeah - and Welcome to the Forum.................

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Thanks for all the comments, feedback and suggestions. I'm very grateful.

To quickly run through a few responses ....

 

I live in the UK within easy-ish reach of Leeds and Bradford. I know of one excellent shop in Leeds which specialises in used electric, so I'll definitely start there when I'm nearly ready to buy (about 6 weeks).

 

My Invader has an uncovered humbucker and actually plays very nicely for my style of music (folk, folk-rock and country). I like its weight and general feel but keep fighting the tuning and the crackling tone pot.

 

I've tried Servisol contact cleaner with no effect.

 

I have a Vintage V100MRPGM (Lemon Drop) which weighs in at nearly 9lbs which is about the same as a Les Paul. Although I like it, I rarely play it.

 

I've done some more digging and find that here in the UK, the Epi Studio isn't massively more expensive that the LP100. I do prefer the vintage sunburst finish which is now doscontinued on Epi Studio's, but the 'worn brown' looks just as nice.

 

I was pretty sure that the Studio was fitted with Grovers ... unless, of course, Epiphone do one of their occasional spec changes and start fitting something cheaper.

 

I've never heard of the Agile range - maybe it isn't available here in the UK? I'll check.

 

Thanks again for all those comments.

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I have a Vintage Brand V100MRPGM (Lemon Drop) which weighs in at nearly 9lbs,

which is about the same as a Les Paul. Although I like it, I rarely play it.

 

 

Alan - I'm not one to intentionally sidetrack a potential EPi sale, BUT what

is it about your Vintage Brand LP that is not to your liking??? I pulled up several

pics, looked, and am wondering.

Some of the potential Cash outlay could be redirected at your VINTAGE for upgrades,

and bring it up several levels in performance and playability!!!! I don't know the

brand, haven't read reviews YET. (Aha - just found one, will post farther down)

 

TO WIT:

 

VintageV100MRPGM.jpg

 

Vintage V100MRPGM ICON Series Lemon Drop Electric Guitar

The reverse-fitted neck humbucker and out of phase centre position

wiring created one of the most recognisable guitar sounds of the genre

real Black Magic.

 

Differential bell type control knobs, and sealed gear tuners all add to the mojo....

 

Body: Mahogany

Top: V100CS Flame Maple

Neck: Mahogany Set Neck

Fingerboard: Rosewood

Scale: 24.75"/ 628mm

Frets: 22

Neck Inlays: Pearloid Crown

Tuners: Wilkinson® Deluxe WJ01 Chrome

Bridge: Tune-O-Matic

Pickups: Wilkinson® Double Coil x 2 (N) MWVC (B)MWVC

Hardware: Chrome

Controls: 2 x Volume/ 2 x Tone/ 3-Way Toggle

 

VINTAGE REVIEW:

http://www.jhs.co.uk/reviews/G&B%20DEC%20(V100MRPGM).pdf

 

Seems like you may have what you want already - perfect "Mod" platform.

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I have an LP-100 and I love it. Granted, I changed tuners for Grovers and replaced pickups, but as far as weight, it is definitely lighter than my Studio that was mentioned earlier in the thread. It plays well and does what I ask of it. The body is thinner than a standard/studio, which I actually like. The neck is the same profile, at least for mine. I can't say they use the same on all of them over the years. But to answer the weight question, yes, it is definitely lighter.

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