ES-175 Strap Button
Posted 21 February 2009 - 08:23 AM
I'd like to be able to play standing so I am planning on having a second strap button installed. Will having one added decrease the value of the guitar?
Anything I should know about placement?
Also, the last 3 digits of the serial number are 714. Does this mean it was the 14th or 714th guitar made that day?
(Edited for stupidity)
Posted 21 February 2009 - 03:18 PM
In any event, the placement of the strap button probably won't affect the value if it's done properly. That's the rub. There are different opinions on where it should be put. My vote is on the treble side of the neck heel.
Not for anything (the polite version of the Brooklynese "notfornuthin") you could do a search of the forum and find lots of answers on strap buttons, not to mention decoding serial numbers.
Posted 21 February 2009 - 04:18 PM
Thanks for the response. You are absolutely right. Momentary brain lapse. It is indeed a hollow-body.
I did a search for the strap button and found some interesting answers.
Unfortunately, the serial number is a bit more of a problem. According to Gibson, my guitar was built on May 5th, 2008. The location of the build is a little more hazy. The last three digits of the serial number refer to:
"...RRR is the factory ranking/plant designation number.
Since 1989, all Gibson acoustics are built in Bozeman, MT and all Gibson electrics are built in Nashville or Memphis. Ranking numbers for Bozeman start each day at 001 and the electrics may start as low as the 300s."
This still doesn't help with what 714 represents. Any help would be appreciated.
Posted 21 February 2009 - 10:31 PM
What you need is a guitar strap designed to handle such things. Have a look at old photos of guitarists and you will see that hollowbodies straps are tied to the headstock.
So you you need a good strap designed with the capability of being tied to the neck. They work perfectly well.
I would avoid adding something to the original.
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Posted 22 February 2009 - 04:58 AM
I believe L5Larry has the answer regarding your strap button.
Posted 22 February 2009 - 05:47 AM
Thanks for the vote of confidence, BUT, especially in this matter, I have only an OPINION and preference.
My preference, and the place where I've installed front strap buttons on both my L-5 and L-7, is on the butt-end of the heel cap. Other members have different opinions of the proper location, and there have been a few very heated discussions in these threads on this question. To me the heel cap is the "classic" location, and ANY other location not only looks funny, but runs the risk of interfereing with your left hand while playing high on the neck.
Here's a pic of the installation of my L-5
Many members of this forum disagree with me, so I guess it's really up to personal preference. Here's a link to a very good discussion on the matter even if a lot, if not most, of the people involved did NOT agree with me.
Posted 22 February 2009 - 11:53 AM
The other is a little gizmo sold by Martin:
This accomplishes the same thing with a two-buttonhole strap and is what I use on my L-5 WM. Cheers.
Posted 23 February 2009 - 08:10 AM
Works great for me.
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Posted 23 February 2009 - 08:55 AM
He told me to take it another guitar repair store - he only charges five pounds to install strap buttons but he forsook the cash because he didn't want it on his conscience. I see what he means - if it is really 'beautiful' 175 why not leave it in its current condition? My 125 is probably worth 1400 dollars, not that much, but it is a shame to drill into an instrument that is in great condition after 50 years.
I tie the strap round the headstock and it works fine...
Posted 23 February 2009 - 08:58 AM
Posted 25 February 2009 - 01:21 PM
I sort of agree, but I like having strap buttons so that I can use a normal strap. L5larry's approach on his L5 looked good to me. I also have an L5 and I put the button just up from where L5larry put his.
Recently I converted my strap buttons on all my guitars to the new schaller buttons to enable me to use schaller strap locks. I have kept the Gibson buttons so that if I ever sell any of my guitars I can return it to almost its original form except that it will have two buttons not one.
I also put strap buttons on my acoustics again something that some would be horrified by.
In the end my view is that the guitars are made to be played and I like to make them fit my needs whilst endeavouring to retain the beauty of all Gibson guiitars (and they are beautiful)!!