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Strap locks for Les Paul

#1 User is offline   Ren 

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Posted 15 January 2008 - 03:32 AM

Hello everyone on the forum. My first post (inspired by my purchase yesterday of a standard Les Paul in cherry sunburst!!!!!!. Second time around though as I bought a Les Paul Custom back in 76 but sold it to go to India to find my navel (which I did!) though looking back I really wish I'd found a way to keep the guitar as theyr're now 3.5K!

Anyway, my question: when I picked up the guitar I asked the dealer for some strap locks and he sold me some Schaller ones. However, upon removing one of the original Gibson ones, I found that the thread diameter on the Schaller ones is a little smaller. I therefore did not fit them in fear of them stripping the original thread.

Can someone please tell me what alternative I can use.

Thanks for any advice.

Cheers, Ren.
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#2 User is offline   Zaphod B 

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Posted 15 January 2008 - 05:59 AM

You have several options, I think.

1. See if you can make your straplocks work with the original screws.

or

2. Fill the original screw holes with plastic wood and re-drill them for your strap lock screw size.

or

3. Use the old carpenter's trick for sizing down wood screw holes - drop some carpenter's glue in the hole, drop in a couple of wood toothpicks trimmed to the same depth as the hole, install the new, slightly smaller screw, allow to dry overnight before putting any load on it. (Yes, it works.)

or

4. See if another brand of straplock has the same screw size as your originals

or

5. Forget the straplock and install a big stainless steel washer between the original strap holder and the body. (Not elegant, but it works too.)

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Posted 15 January 2008 - 10:07 AM

I use schallers on all mine. I just use the screw that comes with the locks for the back strap button. works fine even though it looks smaller. On the front button The screw that came with the gutiar threads through the lock fine for me.



#4 User is offline   MikeRom 

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Posted 15 January 2008 - 10:58 AM

For my guitar the screws that came with the Schallers fit just fine but zaphod b has some great suggestions

#5 User is offline   Raptor 

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Posted 15 January 2008 - 11:15 AM

With straplocks the screw size for the tail pin (the one at the very back of the guitar) is often hit or miss with Gibsons. It used to be that either Schaller or Dunlops would go on the Gibson USA models with no problem, but the Historic Reissues always had a larger screw at the tail of the guitar. Use a little carpenter's glue and a couple of toothpicks as suggested, although the other suggestions work fine as well. Remember that straplocks need maintenance too. With Schallers, usually they will loosen on the strap, so check that regularly; or put a tiny drop of threadlock on when you tighten the nut. Dunlops have a push button and ball bearings that lock the strap to the guitar. The ball bearings can get dirty and jam, so you put the pin in, let go and wham the guitar drops. So you need to keep Dunlops clean and oiled so the work properly. I prefer Schallers because the U shaped cup acts as a failsafe if the pin does not engage. With Dunlops, you can accidently hit the button and cause them to release unexpectedly.
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#6 User is offline   Ren 

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Posted 15 January 2008 - 10:03 PM

Thanks to everyone who has responded. Now I know the score. Think I'm going to go down the toothpick lane.

Just seems a shame and surprises me that Gibson themslves don't address this problem and that I'm left to bodge a solution (though I appreciate it can be done nicely).

Thanks again to everyone.

Ren.
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Posted 16 January 2008 - 06:08 AM

Hi, this is what I use... It's inexpensive (under$10.00), sturdy and works great on any eletric guitar....


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The back side has a protective rubber backing with recessed screws...

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Works on the original pegs no modifications needed :-)

Hope this helps, Dave
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Posted 16 January 2008 - 06:15 AM

Would that scratch the finish though?:P

#9 User is offline   daveinspain 

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Posted 16 January 2008 - 06:20 AM

No, not at all... The only contact with the guitar is the rubber backing... I have been using it for a few months now with no marks what so ever...

Dave
1971 SG Standard Lyre Maestro tremolo, Cherry, original patent number sticker humbuckers
1983 Corvus, old gold, 3 single coil pups with 5 way selector switch
1997 Blueshawk, red/gold hardware,2 blues 90 pups with rotary vary sound selector
2006 Gretsch Chat Atkins 6120DSW orange/gold hardware, 2 Dynasonic pups
2006 LP project, refinished with a gold leaf top, Seymour Duncan pups with Jimmy Page set-up
2006 Johnny A custom, 57 Classic pups
2007 JP EDS 1275, Jimmy Page pups
2007 LP classic Heritage Cherry Sunburst, 496R and 500T ceramic humbucker pups
2007 LP Robot Guitar 1st edition, 490R and 498T pups
2007 LP Custom black/gold hardware, 490R and 498T pups
2007 Brain May, Red Special 3 Andeson Tri-Sonics pups
2008 Alhambra Acoustic model Auditorium Luthier. Hand painted one of a kind...
2011 Fender Strat Mahogany Crimson Red 2 Tex Mex single coils, 1 humbucker and S1 switch
2013 Fender Acoustic CD140SCE NAT
2014 Pignose travel guitar, 1 humbucker with built-in speaker and 1watt amp

My SoundClick

See my video here

I don't want to be the fastest guitarist, I want to be a guitarist with lots feeling and able to express the music I hear in my head...

#10 User is offline   daveinspain 

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Posted 16 January 2008 - 06:39 AM

As you can see in this photo the only part that touches the guitar is the rubber backing. The swiveling strap connection allows the locking shoe to sit flat on the guitar...

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1971 SG Standard Lyre Maestro tremolo, Cherry, original patent number sticker humbuckers
1983 Corvus, old gold, 3 single coil pups with 5 way selector switch
1997 Blueshawk, red/gold hardware,2 blues 90 pups with rotary vary sound selector
2006 Gretsch Chat Atkins 6120DSW orange/gold hardware, 2 Dynasonic pups
2006 LP project, refinished with a gold leaf top, Seymour Duncan pups with Jimmy Page set-up
2006 Johnny A custom, 57 Classic pups
2007 JP EDS 1275, Jimmy Page pups
2007 LP classic Heritage Cherry Sunburst, 496R and 500T ceramic humbucker pups
2007 LP Robot Guitar 1st edition, 490R and 498T pups
2007 LP Custom black/gold hardware, 490R and 498T pups
2007 Brain May, Red Special 3 Andeson Tri-Sonics pups
2008 Alhambra Acoustic model Auditorium Luthier. Hand painted one of a kind...
2011 Fender Strat Mahogany Crimson Red 2 Tex Mex single coils, 1 humbucker and S1 switch
2013 Fender Acoustic CD140SCE NAT
2014 Pignose travel guitar, 1 humbucker with built-in speaker and 1watt amp

My SoundClick

See my video here

I don't want to be the fastest guitarist, I want to be a guitarist with lots feeling and able to express the music I hear in my head...

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Posted 16 January 2008 - 12:13 PM

Be careful of the rubber backing. A lot of rubber materials will eat into the nitrocellulose finish. Do you know if those are nitro safe? Also a normal guitar strap will rub through the finish in time. Even if they are nitro safe, those rubber pads will wear through the finish eventually.
I should have mentioned that I also use a plastic (Dunlop made I think) strap lock that goes on the end of the pin after the strap. You then rotate it 180 degrees to lock it. They have a little loop on them and I tie a little piece of ribbon through the hole in the strap and the loop on the lock, so they are always there ready to use. I started using these, when I decided I didn't want to plug the larger holes in my CS LPs.
I only buy guitars that my wife likes, thankfully she has loved everyone I have picked up.

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Posted 16 January 2008 - 02:37 PM

This is what I use, probably the cheapest of all...

http://www.zzounds.com/item--DNP7007SI

They fit right on top of the strap, just a twist and they are good to go.

I use a carving leather strap and they fit fine over it but if you use one of those super padded straps it may not.
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#13 User is offline   Raptor 

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Posted 16 January 2008 - 02:54 PM

Stiffhand, those are like the ones I have been using on my CS LPs. Only difference it the ones I use have a little slot/loop where I can tie it to the strap and not lose it.
I only buy guitars that my wife likes, thankfully she has loved everyone I have picked up.

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Posted 17 January 2008 - 01:48 AM

The Planet Waves strap is a cool idea, but you have to use their strap, which I don't like. I have soft leather strap that I really like so the PW's are out of the question, at least for me. Besides, the Schallers were only 15 bucks plus they are all metal. Great strap lock idea though. Those Planet Waves guys ... always thinking :(/

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Posted 17 January 2008 - 03:52 AM

I hear you... For me the Planet Waves works as I only use it for when I am practicing at home or at my guitar class... I suppose if I get a nice expensive strap later on I will get the clip over the top of the strap type... I just don't see making modifications to the guitar as an option...

Dave
1971 SG Standard Lyre Maestro tremolo, Cherry, original patent number sticker humbuckers
1983 Corvus, old gold, 3 single coil pups with 5 way selector switch
1997 Blueshawk, red/gold hardware,2 blues 90 pups with rotary vary sound selector
2006 Gretsch Chat Atkins 6120DSW orange/gold hardware, 2 Dynasonic pups
2006 LP project, refinished with a gold leaf top, Seymour Duncan pups with Jimmy Page set-up
2006 Johnny A custom, 57 Classic pups
2007 JP EDS 1275, Jimmy Page pups
2007 LP classic Heritage Cherry Sunburst, 496R and 500T ceramic humbucker pups
2007 LP Robot Guitar 1st edition, 490R and 498T pups
2007 LP Custom black/gold hardware, 490R and 498T pups
2007 Brain May, Red Special 3 Andeson Tri-Sonics pups
2008 Alhambra Acoustic model Auditorium Luthier. Hand painted one of a kind...
2011 Fender Strat Mahogany Crimson Red 2 Tex Mex single coils, 1 humbucker and S1 switch
2013 Fender Acoustic CD140SCE NAT
2014 Pignose travel guitar, 1 humbucker with built-in speaker and 1watt amp

My SoundClick

See my video here

I don't want to be the fastest guitarist, I want to be a guitarist with lots feeling and able to express the music I hear in my head...

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Posted 17 January 2008 - 07:54 AM

Raptor I have a set of those as well the round ones as opposed to the pick shaped dunlops but I do not know the brand so I could not find a picture/link.

I bought the round ones at Gruhn but hey seem to be an off brand, the dunlop version seems sturdier but I definitely like the round shape with the slot much better.
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Posted 17 January 2008 - 08:34 AM

My preference is the Schallers - like Raptor said, they have a failsafe engineered in, and they're made of metal, by damn. I do have the Dunlops on one of my guitars but my confidence level in it is not very high.

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Posted 18 January 2008 - 02:28 AM

Use the screw that came off the Les Paul....use a bench grinder to remove a tad bit on the entire diameter of the screw, just enough so it will fit thru the Schaller button & your set. The amount that you have to take off the screw head is minimal.

When done, you have the original Gibson screw holding in your new Schaller strap locks. Works perfectly & there is no way the modified screw will pull thru the button as you have only taken of a small amount of the screw head.

Did it on my Epiphone Les Paul & it works perfect. The screw size is exactly the same on the Gibson.

Anyhoo...for what it's worth.

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Posted 19 January 2008 - 07:17 AM

do u know the bottels of grolsch the beer well the big bottels well u get a wee rubber ring and it fits perfictly and it saves my guitar from falling off my strap

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Posted 19 January 2008 - 03:09 PM

I've been using schallers for years and never had a problem. I just use the original screws from the guitar and they've always worked fine.

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