gottabetweed Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 If you own the first edition, is it worth getting the second edition? Is there any new info on guitars produced after 94, or any new photos, etc? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimt Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 I have the Hard Covered 1st versions.. all unsigned. Good info.. great pictures.. didnt even know there was a second edition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gottabetweed Posted May 7, 2014 Author Share Posted May 7, 2014 The new edition came out in 2009, but I can't find much info on line about how it varies from the 1st. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6stringTom Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 I also have the 2004 edition and would like to know the answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rar Posted May 8, 2014 Share Posted May 8, 2014 If you own the first edition, is it worth getting the second edition? The main text appears to be a photo reproduction of a late printing of the first edition. The main differences are that the foreword by Stan Werblin was replaced by a new foreword by Steve Earle, the Acknowledgements were reset (but seem to be the same), an Appendix that consists of a 16 page table "Gibson Models Produced in Bozeman, Montana, 1989 to 2008" -- no production numbers, but an 'X' entry if the model was produced that year -- was added at the end, and the authors bios were updated. Far from the comprehensive revision and update that was planned prior to David's passing. -- Bob R Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zombywoof Posted May 8, 2014 Share Posted May 8, 2014 I never bought the book. It would have been nice though if they revised the section on banner guitars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
retrorod Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 The main text appears to be a photo reproduction of a late printing of the first edition. The main differences are that the foreword by Stan Werblin was replaced by a new foreword by Steve Earle, the Acknowledgements were reset (but seem to be the same), an Appendix that consists of a 16 page table "Gibson Models Produced in Bozeman, Montana, 1989 to 2008" -- no production numbers, but an 'X' entry if the model was produced that year -- was added at the end, and the authors bios were updated. Far from the comprehensive revision and update that was planned prior to David's passing. -- Bob R Thanks for the info Bob! I have the '94 edition...I assume the first. Great book and reference material. I have 'dried up' a yellow highlight marker on it...ha! I am a huge fan of Steve Earles' music. Especially the mid-80's with the black J100, which I mostly associate him with. Not sure of 'other' Gibsons that he played. It appears to me that he is more 'associated' with Martin 'these days'. Not sure how he gets a 'Foreward' mention in a Gibson book? I would think that John Hiatt (or Jorma) would be better associated as a "Gibson man".... to give a Foreward mention to.... Your thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rar Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 I am a huge fan of Steve Earles' music. Especially the mid-80's with the black J100, which I mostly associate him with. Not sure of 'other' Gibsons that he played. It appears to me that he is more 'associated' with Martin 'these days'. Not sure how he gets a 'Foreward' mention in a Gibson book? I would think that John Hiatt (or Jorma) would be better associated as a "Gibson man".... to give a Foreward mention to.... Your thoughts? Evidently Steve traded all his Gibsons in toward Martins at Matt Umanov's after moving to New York. But then New York does have strange effects on some folks. No idea how he got picked to write the Foreword. I agree that he was never "iconically Gibson" in the way that some other artists are. -- Bob R Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
retrorod Posted May 10, 2014 Share Posted May 10, 2014 Thanks Bob! Its good to know "nowadays"....IT ain't JUST me It is an interesting story that you tell of Steve selling off to Martin after his arrival to New York! From what I have read, he kicked some pretty rough addictions. I have the utmost respect for any person that was 'addicted' to anything (including cigarettes) and had the moral/intestintudinal 'strengh' to "kick it".....REALLY! Steve makes great music with Martin, these days! Townes Van Zandt Tribute CD is awesome....TOP-NOTCH! I am proud to have him speak anything on Gibson. Could you give us the Foreword in text, so some of us do not have to buy the book? Please Sir? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tpbiii Posted May 10, 2014 Share Posted May 10, 2014 The book is full of inaccuracies -- actually to the point of being pretty misleading. The problem is that the the authors assumed that Gibson was pretty consistent so if you saw a few Gibsons, you had seen them all. Since that time. further scholarship has shown that the picture is MUCH more complex than that and during that period, Gibson was pretty much always inconsistent. The true picture is gradually emerging -- Joe Spann's work is a big step and look at Willi Henkes' two web sites -- http://www.bannergibsons.com/ for wartime Gibsons and http://www.j-35.com/. The Fabulous Flat Tops make interesting reading -- just don't count on it. Best, -Tom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
retrorod Posted May 10, 2014 Share Posted May 10, 2014 Thanks Tom, for the "heads up" If you fellas, write a book....I will read it also. Until then, I will 'glean' my info from your posts'...Keep it coming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gottabetweed Posted May 10, 2014 Author Share Posted May 10, 2014 Thanks for the info on the new edition. I ordered it anyway. My copy is coming apart. I guess this will have to do till someone publishes a better one. I wish Gibsons got the author attention Martins have. The Marin books are just beautiful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zombywoof Posted May 10, 2014 Share Posted May 10, 2014 The book is full of inaccuracies -- actually to the point of being pretty misleading. The reason I never considered buying the book. The research is really lacking in some areas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvguit Posted May 10, 2014 Share Posted May 10, 2014 The reason I never considered buying the book. The research is really lacking in some areas. This is a very common refrain on message forums and not without merit. However, I think we need to consider the fact that vintage Gibson details are much more difficult to come by than that of Martin, etc. Martin's record keeping was very good so their information is readily available. The Gibson company has changed hands many times so a lot of the information is lost to time, etc. We can't overlook the fact that much of the old Gibson details are counterintuitive and inconsistent. Current Gibson knowledge is always evolving. I'm still a fan of the FF book even though it contains inaccuracies. It's still a great compilation of knowledge and a little bit of incorrect assumption. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JuanCarlosVejar Posted May 10, 2014 Share Posted May 10, 2014 when they do a book of MONTANA's FFT's ... that one will probably be a better historic book . JC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zombywoof Posted May 10, 2014 Share Posted May 10, 2014 However, I think we need to consider the fact that vintage Gibson details are much more difficult to come by than that of Martin, etc. Martin's record keeping was very good so their information is readily available. The Gibson company has changed hands many times so a lot of the information is lost to time, etc. We can't overlook the fact that much of the old Gibson details are counterintuitive and inconsistent. I agree but only to a point. Michael Wright, as example, in his "Cool Guitars" books was able to reconstruct detailed histories of more elusive companies such as Hondo, Alamo, and Kay, and their instruments. Just figuring out what name Kay was using in any particular year could prove a daunting task. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zombywoof Posted May 10, 2014 Share Posted May 10, 2014 when they do a book of MONTANA's FFT's ... that one will probably be a better historic book . And thick if you consider all of the variations on a theme that have come out of Bozeman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvguit Posted May 10, 2014 Share Posted May 10, 2014 I agree but only to a point. Michael Wright, as example, in his "Cool Guitars" books was able to reconstruct detailed histories of more elusive companies such as Hondo, Alamo, and Kay, and their instruments. Just figuring out what name Kay was using in any particular year could prove a daunting task. Well put, point taken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tpbiii Posted May 11, 2014 Share Posted May 11, 2014 Current Gibson knowledge is always evolving. I'm still a fan of the FF book even though it contains inaccuracies. It's still a great compilation of knowledge and a little bit of incorrect assumption. I agree with that. However, if correct detail is important to you for whatever reason -- emotional, money, etc. -- just treat the details reported in the book as a bit suspect. Let's pick, -Tom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6stringTom Posted May 11, 2014 Share Posted May 11, 2014 . I agree with that. However, if correct detail is important to you for whatever reason -- emotional, money, etc. -- just treat the details reported in the book as a bit suspect. Let's pick, -Tom Well put. I think it is important that a baseline of information was created around the time the book came out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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