JuanCarlosVejar Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 Folks, It seems Gibson has failed to notice that these models has 19 frets (the 185 changed to 20 on some of the later ones but as far as I could tell the LG 2 remained consistent at 19) The LG 2 is advertised with 20 frets : https://www.gibson.com/Guitar/ACCMH3461/1942-Banner-LG-2/Vintage-Sunburst Someone noticed and made one with 19 frets but added an extra dot to the fingerboard: https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/CSSBLGB42VS--gibson-acoustic-1942-banner-lg-2-vintage-sunburst It seems Gibson has continued it’s quirks even after can attempt at “complete accuracy “ JC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimt Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 They probably know its wrong. But the cost of retooling for 1 fret less is more than its worth. most of the guitars even from the late 80s early 90s were not accurate. I think all that tooling is used still today. Good Eye . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j45nick Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 I bet none of these has a tapered-thickness headstock, either. At least the Legend series did that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duluthdan Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 (edited) https://imgur.com/user/duluthdan Not sure why it won’t appear, but here’s the taper Edited March 28, 2020 by duluthdan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JuanCarlosVejar Posted March 29, 2020 Author Share Posted March 29, 2020 14 hours ago, slimt said: They probably know its wrong. But the cost of retooling for 1 fret less is more than its worth. most of the guitars even from the late 80s early 90s were not accurate. I think all that tooling is used still today. Good Eye . If there’s at least one with 19 frets and the gap in between the board and rosette Gibson may have corrected this mistake after a few of them coming off the line with 20 .Only after we see a few more in the shops will we know. JC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JuanCarlosVejar Posted March 29, 2020 Author Share Posted March 29, 2020 7 hours ago, duluthdan said: https://imgur.com/user/duluthdan Not sure why it won’t appear, but here’s the taper Dan, Nothing is showing up JC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JuanCarlosVejar Posted March 29, 2020 Author Share Posted March 29, 2020 16 hours ago, j45nick said: I bet none of these has a tapered-thickness headstock, either. At least the Legend series did that. Nick, Here’s a photo from one of the Gibson tv videos ... Can you confirm or deny the existence of a taper ??? it’s the LG 2 . JC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duluthdan Posted March 29, 2020 Share Posted March 29, 2020 headstock taper 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j45nick Posted March 29, 2020 Share Posted March 29, 2020 2 hours ago, JuanCarlosVejar said: Nick, Here’s a photo from one of the Gibson tv videos ... Can you confirm or deny the existence of a taper ??? it’s the LG 2 . JC No taper that I can see, but you need to see it directly from the side to sure. I just measured it on four guitars, three of which have tapered headstocks. Two 1950 J-45s are 5/8"+ near the nut, 1/2" at the top of the headstock. L-OO Legend is 5/8" near the nut, 1/2" at the top. Untapered headstock on 1943 SJ re-issue is a constant 9/16+. Details, details.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EuroAussie Posted March 29, 2020 Share Posted March 29, 2020 43mm nut for a banner LG-2 ? Are they nuts ? My 43' is 45mm and baseball bat profile ...and 19 frets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave F Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 19 frets, tapered headstock, rw b&s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tpbiii Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 1942 LG-1 --- first year LG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JuanCarlosVejar Posted March 31, 2020 Author Share Posted March 31, 2020 On 3/29/2020 at 8:41 PM, tpbiii said: 1942 LG-1 --- first year LG Tom, Abosolute stunner! Thanks for sharing. JC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JuanCarlosVejar Posted April 9, 2020 Author Share Posted April 9, 2020 On 3/29/2020 at 6:54 AM, j45nick said: No taper that I can see, but you need to see it directly from the side to sure. I just measured it on four guitars, three of which have tapered headstocks. Two 1950 J-45s are 5/8"+ near the nut, 1/2" at the top of the headstock. L-OO Legend is 5/8" near the nut, 1/2" at the top. Untapered headstock on 1943 SJ re-issue is a constant 9/16+. Details, details.... Nick, Here’s Another shot: Not sure if you can tell from this one. JC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j45nick Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 1 hour ago, JuanCarlosVejar said: Nick, Here’s Another shot: Not sure if you can tell from this one. JC It certainly doesn't look tapered. Realistically, it's probably pretty far down on the list of important historic details, since it isn't something you stare at like a bridge, a pickguard, or the number of frets I have a 1943 SJ re-issue from a few years ago that is reasonably accurate--19 frets, belly-down bridge, slot-through saddle--but it has an un-tapered headstock, and a bound fretboard. Unless you are selling something as an absolute historic re-creation, I suppose you can fudge some details. You want historically accurate, buy (or order) a Legend. Or buy a vintage guitar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaelsegui Posted April 12, 2020 Share Posted April 12, 2020 (edited) Gibson drives me nuts. They have the ability to make 100% dead accurate reissues but they never do. There is always something they mess up. Pure laziness IMHO. I just noticed the timers on this one today: https://www.12fret.com/instruments/gibson-1942-banner-j-45-vintage-sunburst-limited-edition/ Edited April 12, 2020 by michaelsegui Edited link Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j45nick Posted April 12, 2020 Share Posted April 12, 2020 15 minutes ago, michaelsegui said: Gibson drives me nuts. They have the ability to make 100% dead accurate reissues but they never do. There is always something they mess up. Pure laziness IMHO. I just noticed the timers on this one today: https://www.12fret.com/instruments/gibson-1942-banner-j-45-vintage-sunburst-limited-edition/ A better choice would be three-on-a-plate open-back tuners, such as the Golden Age ones the Stewmac sells. Gibson has made what might reasonably described as "100% dead accurate reissues", even if a few of the periods details have yielded to modern reality, such as the material used for pickguards. In recent years, those would be the Legend series guitars, which are about as close to the original design and construction details as you can find. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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