AS90 Posted March 13, 2008 Share Posted March 13, 2008 he did say it was made in 2000.so thats 8 years that that guitar has potentially been around. my Gibson is a 2001 and is FAR from stock at this point. sperzels bigsby stripped and waxed totally different bridge set up. I understand the frustration that this flood of counterfeits has created. but maybe a little more info on where the guitar was bought' date=' was it a private sale? used from a local store? maybe a pic of the interior electronics cavity? a little soon to "yell fire in a crowded theater". [/quote'] You dont need more info or a pic of the control cavity to tell that POS is fake. Are you blind? :D Take a look at the headstock, look at where the word 'model' is on the top one compared to the bottom one... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluefin Posted March 13, 2008 Share Posted March 13, 2008 Definate Fake, I can see it from a mile away after some recent education I recieved, almost the hard way!.....ouch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xhernan Posted March 13, 2008 Share Posted March 13, 2008 wow i couldn't even tell. Even in the article about fake les pauls, i couldn't tell how the logo was crooked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xhernan Posted March 13, 2008 Share Posted March 13, 2008 That tune~o~matic is definatly not correct ... how can you tell? I want to buy a gibson, but i want to be able to spot fakes. I looked at the article and it gave me some tips, but anymore will help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom99SS Posted March 13, 2008 Share Posted March 13, 2008 AS90, You really cannot go by where the word "Model" appears. Look at Gibson's website at the Gibson Les Paul Standard Now look at a Gibson Custom Shop, their "Model" appears higher up on the headstock as seen here '58 Les Paul VOS If you look closely at the 2 links, the VOS has a higher truss rod cover (not too close to the nut on '58 and '59, not so on '60) to go along with the higher "Les Paul Model" signature. The Gibson Standard has a lower "Les Paul Model" signature along with the truss rod cover almost touching the nut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thundergod Posted March 13, 2008 Share Posted March 13, 2008 it is a fake, just look at the bridge... and the sticker on the back... and lots of other things... anyway it is better than the ones before... 3 screw trcs are gone... as i said in a recent thread: "they are getting better at this" (thinking about buying a gibson? read it!) Anyway i really like the guitar (a standard in white...hm...) in this one you can still see the epi style bridge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thundergod Posted March 13, 2008 Share Posted March 13, 2008 my god bluefin... are those your guitars in your avatar? Oh and i forgot to mention... is it me or the only guitars that have "les paul" written on the trc are the ones with no "les paul" written on the headstock? (i.e. the custom). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lifsebcbien Posted March 13, 2008 Share Posted March 13, 2008 is it me or the only guitars that have "les paul" written on the trc are the ones with no "les paul" written on the headstock? (i.e. the custom). Nope, some have it written on despite the signature on headstock, for example Les Paul KM or Les Paul Heritage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluefin Posted March 13, 2008 Share Posted March 13, 2008 Thundergod, None of my standards or Custom Shop Standard Re-issues have "Les Paul" on the truss rod cover. All of my customs, including Custom Shop Re-issues, have it. The exceptions are my Signature and Limited Editions. They have special stuff! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluefin Posted March 13, 2008 Share Posted March 13, 2008 There are exceptions I may not be aware of though, as " lifsebcbien" stated earlier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluefin Posted March 13, 2008 Share Posted March 13, 2008 I mis-read your question. You are right as far as what I have goes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dslyecix Posted March 13, 2008 Share Posted March 13, 2008 Bluefin you MUST post some shots of all those guitars. They looks awesome even in such a small cramped avatar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thundergod Posted March 13, 2008 Share Posted March 13, 2008 and what about your guitar collection man? is there a place where i can look at some pics? you seem to have a lot of very good guitars (i specially like those double necks... hoping to have one as my next guitar). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matiac Posted March 13, 2008 Share Posted March 13, 2008 Jesus H. Christ there Bluefin, you could open your own shop! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibson CS Posted March 13, 2008 Share Posted March 13, 2008 let me state for the record..... i am jealous of you blue fin (playful sarcasim) dont jump my **** =D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1773lx Posted March 13, 2008 Author Share Posted March 13, 2008 OK, thank you guys for all your answers, suggestions and considerations! Now let me tell you more about it: I bought it "used" (mint conditions) several months ago from a private young guy who had received it as a present from US uncles (Boston, this is what he said). Low price for a Standard and most like for a Studio. Before buying it, the guy was interested himself in knowing if the guitar was real or not, since the HardShell was certainly suspect. So he let me take my luthier with me for a deep inspection before reaching a possible agreement. Luthier is guitar-player and teacher too, and by the way has got a Custom LP (original for sure) - he couldn't believe his fingers and his ears, assuming the price. We followed all the tips showed in "how to recognize a fake LP", he watched the PU's from inside and he inspected the wires and even the weldings: definetely Gibson stuff and Gibson made. He (the luthier) told me he would have bought it if I did not: no way - it's a real one and it plays and sounds GREAT! What else? Well, the price was good enough - and I obtained a further reduction. You know what convinced me in buying it? The colour - for two reasons. 1. it's astonishing - a White Standard... 2. if I had to produce a fake, would I choose that "inexistant" colour? So it seemed to us a sort of "out of serie" piece. Certainly never seen one hereby. This is the main reason I asked if anybody had ever the chance of seeing a similar one. You kindly gave your responses and some doubts remain. Just like the guitar remains at home - admired by everybody... Thank you once more! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1773lx Posted March 13, 2008 Author Share Posted March 13, 2008 OK, thank you guys for all your answers, suggestions and considerations! Now let me tell you more about it: I bought it "used" (mint conditions) several months ago from a private young guy who had received it as a present from US uncles (Boston, this is what he said). Low price for a Standard and most like for a Studio. Before buying it, the guy was interested himself in knowing if the guitar was real or not, since the HardShell was certainly suspect. So he let me take my luthier with me for a deep inspection before reaching a possible agreement. Luthier is guitar-player and teacher too, and by the way has got a Custom LP (original for sure) - he couldn't believe his fingers and his ears, assuming the price. We followed all the tips showed in "how to recognize a fake LP", he watched the PU's from inside and he inspected the wires and even the weldings: definetely Gibson stuff and Gibson made. He (the luthier) told me he would have bought it if I did not: no way - it's a real one and it plays and sounds GREAT! What else? Well, the price was good enough - and I obtained a further reduction. You know what convinced me in buying it? The colour - for two reasons. 1. it's astonishing - a White LesPaul... 2. if I had to produce a fake, would I choose that "inexistant" colour? So it seemed to us a sort of "out of serie" guitar. Certainly never seen one hereby. This is the main reason I asked if anybody had ever the chance of seeing a similar one. You kindly gave your responses and some doubts remain. Just like the guitar remains at home - admired by everybody... Thank you once more! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1773lx Posted March 13, 2008 Author Share Posted March 13, 2008 OK, thank you guys for all your answers, suggestions and considerations! Now let me tell you more about it: I bought it "used" (mint conditions) several months ago from a private young guy who had received it as a present from US uncles (Boston, this is what he said). Low price for a Standard and most like for a Studio. Before buying it, the guy was interested himself in knowing if the guitar was real or not, since the HardShell was certainly suspect. So he let me take my luthier with me for a deep inspection before reaching a possible agreement. Luthier is guitar-player and teacher too, and by the way has got a Custom LP (original for sure) - he couldn't believe his fingers and his ears, assuming the price. We followed all the tips showed in "how to recognize a fake LP", he watched the PU's from inside and he inspected the wires and even the weldings: definetely Gibson stuff and Gibson made. He (the luthier) told me he would have bought it if I did not: no way - it's a real one and it plays and sounds GREAT! What else? Well, the price was good enough - and I obtained a further reduction. You know what convinced me in buying it? The colour - for two reasons. 1. it's astonishing - a White LesPaul... 2. if I had to produce a fake, would I choose that "inexistant" colour? So it seemed to us a sort of "out of serie" guitar. Certainly never seen one hereby. This is the main reason I asked if anybody had ever the chance of seeing a similar one. You kindly gave your responses and some doubts remain. Just like the guitar remains at home - admired by everybody... Thank you once more! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AS90 Posted March 13, 2008 Share Posted March 13, 2008 Your luthier hasn't got a clue Im afraid, its definatly fake. If you call Gibson they will confirm it. AS90' date=' You really cannot go by where the word "Model" appears. Look at Gibson's website at the Gibson Les Paul Standard Now look at a Gibson Custom Shop, their "Model" appears higher up on the headstock as seen here '58 Les Paul VOS If you look closely at the 2 links, the VOS has a higher truss rod cover (not too close to the nut on '58 and '59, not so on '60) to go along with the higher "Les Paul Model" signature. The Gibson Standard has a lower "Les Paul Model" signature along with the truss rod cover almost touching the nut. I see, both of mine are the same as the bottom one. I would have though they would all be the same. :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1773lx Posted March 13, 2008 Author Share Posted March 13, 2008 Steve Stevens of Billy Idol fame plays a white Standard' date=' but that one you have looks a little askew to me, the pegheads all wrong, the pickguard looks funny too, the pickup surrounds are fatter than they should be, ala Epiphone, I have an Epi, and to put it alongside my Goldtop you can see differences all over the place. To answer your question, yes they make a white Standard. Is yours a Gibson? I don't think it is.[/quote'] Thank you for your answer: transparent and not ironical! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matiac Posted March 13, 2008 Share Posted March 13, 2008 Not at all. You asked an opinion, and got quite a few, seems pretty "concrete" to me, I wasn't being at all vague. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Plains Posted March 13, 2008 Share Posted March 13, 2008 2. if I had to produce a fake' date=' would I choose that "inexistant" colour?[/quote']1773lx, I'm sorry, but I have to agree with everybody - your LP looks like a fake. The first thing I noticed on it was the binding...or lack there of. I have never seen a white LP Standard, Custom & Studio yes, but Standard no. If you're happy with it and don't care what everybody here is telling you, then just enjoy that guitar. But it I were you, I'd be removing the pickups and getting on the horn with Gibson immediately! Why would he choose that "inexistant" colour? So he can pass it off as "rare" is my guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1773lx Posted March 13, 2008 Author Share Posted March 13, 2008 1773lx' date=' I'm sorry, but I have to agree with everybody - your LP looks like a fake. The first thing I noticed on it was the binding...or lack there of. I have never seen a white LP Standard, Custom & Studio yes, but Standard no. If you're happy with it and don't care what everybody here is telling you, then just enjoy that guitar. But it I were you, I'd be removing the pickups and getting on the horn with Gibson immediately! Why would he choose that "inexistant" colour? So he can pass it off as "rare" is my guess.[/quote'] TY, good answer for choice of a white from a fake-maker standpoint. Yes I'm still happy with it. Only - what "getting on the horn with" means exactly? Sorry I don't know a lot of your idiomatic sentences... Ciao from Italy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1773lx Posted March 13, 2008 Author Share Posted March 13, 2008 Not at all. You asked an opinion' date=' and got quite a few, seems pretty "concrete" to me, I wasn't being at all vague.[/quote'] Yes, opinions have been raining hereby since yesterday. At the end of the day I looked for them... But while I could feel some satisfied-over-criticism in almost all the others (oh poor country-boy he didn't recognized an evident fake), yours were - how can I say - fair: face-to-face. That's all. This is the reason why I thank you once more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lifsebcbien Posted March 13, 2008 Share Posted March 13, 2008 call Gibson or mail gibson europe mate, they will confirm you. U just have to send few pics and the serial and they will tell u. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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