FunkyMonk Posted July 22, 2010 Share Posted July 22, 2010 Hey All Im a Newb here and have a question for some of you experienced Gibson enthusiasts. I have been offered to buy what im told is an early 70's Gibson Les Paul Deluxe. The pics ive posted in the links below - and i was hoping to see if someone here could maybe ( from the limited pics ) tell me if this looks a little fake? or does it show some authenticity to be original.. What is making me ask the question is the truss rod cover while it is only 2 screws, does not look authentic and seem to be attached upside down ? Hoping someone with a keen eye for detail can explain if this is fine or something to be concerned about. http://i828.photobucket....7/FunkyMonkk/Gibson.jpg http://i828.photobucket..../FunkyMonkk/Gibson2.jpg Thoughts ? Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mildperv Posted July 22, 2010 Share Posted July 22, 2010 Links don't work Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pippy Posted July 22, 2010 Share Posted July 22, 2010 As noted; links don't work. Here's how to post snaps; http://forums.gibson.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=11276 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FunkyMonk Posted July 22, 2010 Author Share Posted July 22, 2010 This should work : cheers!! http://i828.photobucket.com/albums/zz207/FunkyMonkk/Gibson.jpg http://i828.photobucket.com/albums/zz207/FunkyMonkk/Gibson2.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigKahune Posted July 22, 2010 Share Posted July 22, 2010 I think the tops were 3 piece during Norlin, so that's good. Position indicators on two controls. All black TRC and black screws are another question. The fret work looks different than what I would expect. A pic of the side to check for a pancake body and the back of the headstock would be helpful. Sorry, can't be sure on this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jchabalk Posted July 22, 2010 Share Posted July 22, 2010 looks like a 70s gibson to me, they've got the truss rod cover on upside down. Or maybe it came from the factory that way that day Here's the headstock of my 76 Hummingbird, note the similarities Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FunkyMonk Posted July 22, 2010 Author Share Posted July 22, 2010 Yeh there is a similarity with your hummingbird head to mine - again tho there is a white lining it seems around the TRC in yours and nearly all LPs ive looked at - Perhaps the one im considering buying, the TRC got lost, damaged or something and they put some kinda generic one on ??? Pretty hard to know without having a look and unfortunately its in another state. He is asking aprox $1800 im so 50/50 on it. After all it will be my very first Gibson LP. Thanks for the suggestions/Opinions thus far ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmjohnson Posted July 22, 2010 Share Posted July 22, 2010 $1800 to spend on your 1st LP and you are considering a used one (and a questionable 70s at that)?? Are new ones that expensive down under or what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pippy Posted July 22, 2010 Share Posted July 22, 2010 ...All black TRC and black screws are another question... A lot of the budget Gibsons had thin all-black TRC's so it's probably a replacement. The peghead looks perfect for a Norlin. $1800 to spend on your 1st LP and you are considering a used one (and a questionable 70s at that)?? Are new ones that expensive down under or what? Nowadays they're a Hell of a lot more than $1800 in the UK, that's for sure! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie brown Posted July 22, 2010 Share Posted July 22, 2010 Wide headstock, is consistent, with '70's era Deluxes. The TRC is definitely NOT original, and IS upside down. (Some people do that...God know's why?!) Deluxe TRC's had "Deluxe" embossed in them, and were multi-ply, with white edges. The pickups are not original, either. The Deluxe had/has mini-humbuckers, though it could have been modified, for the full size humbuckers. Many were. The Grover's are (a popular) replacement, as well. Most Norlin Era Deluxe had dual ring ("green") Tulip Kluson tuners. (Are you sure, it's not a "Norlin era" Standard?) Does the serial number match that of a Deluxe, from that era? From Wikipedia, below: DeLuxe The DeLuxe was among the "new" 1968 Les Pauls.[27] This model featured "mini-humbuckers", also known as "New York" humbuckers, and did not initially prove popular. The mini-humbucker pickup fit into the pre-carved P-90 pickup cavity using an adaptor ring developed by Gibson (actually just a cut-out P90 pickup cover) in order to use a supply of Epiphone mini-humbuckers left over from when Gibson moved Epiphone production to Japan. The DeLuxe was introduced in late 1968 and helped to standardize production among Gibson's USA-built Les Pauls. The first incarnation of the DeLuxe featured a one-piece body and three-piece neck in late 1968. The "pancake" body (thin layer of maple on top of two layers of Honduran mahogany) came later in 1969. In late 1969, a small "volute" was added. 1969 DeLuxe's feature the Gibson logo devoid of the dot over the "i" in Gibson. By late 1969/early 1970, the dot over the "i" had returned, plus a "Made In USA" stamp on the back of the headstock. By 1975, the neck construction was changed from mahogany to maple, until the early 1980s, when the construction was returned to mahogany. The body changed back to solid mahogany from the pancake design in late 1976 or early 1977. Interest in this particular Les Paul model was so low that in 1985, Gibson canceled the line. However, in 2005, the "DeLuxe" was reintroduced with more popularity due to its association with Pete Townshend [2] and Thin Lizzy. In 1978 the Les Paul Pro DeLuxe was introduced. This guitar featured P-90 pickups, instead of the "mini-humbuckers" of the DeLuxe model, an ebony fingerboard, maple neck, mahogany body and chrome hardware. It came in either Ebony, Cherry Sunburst, Tobacco Sunburst or Gold finish. Interestingly it was first launched in Europe, rather than the USA. It was discontinued in 1982. CB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FunkyMonk Posted July 22, 2010 Author Share Posted July 22, 2010 Ahh thats great info CB .. cheers for that. Dont have a serial yet but ill get it from him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stefptycia Posted July 22, 2010 Share Posted July 22, 2010 Here's spme pics of my 72/74 deluxe. Therere not very good but you get the feel of what you should be looking for Regards Stef Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stefptycia Posted July 22, 2010 Share Posted July 22, 2010 Sorry here's the links. I hope they work http://i21.photobucket.c...stefptycia/DSC00412.jpg http://i21.photobucket.c...stefptycia/DSC00414.jpg http://i21.photobucket.c...stefptycia/DSC00415.jpg http://i21.photobucket.c...stefptycia/DSC00416.jpg http://i21.photobucket.c...stefptycia/DSC00417.jpg http://i21.photobucket.c...stefptycia/DSC00418.jpg http://i21.photobucket.c...stefptycia/DSC00419.jpg http://i21.photobucket.c...stefptycia/DSC00420.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FunkyMonk Posted July 22, 2010 Author Share Posted July 22, 2010 The links are still not working unfortunately ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stefptycia Posted July 22, 2010 Share Posted July 22, 2010 I'm not very good at this. Perhaps this link may work - My 72/74 Deluxe http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b282/stefptycia/DSC00418.jpg http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b282/stefptycia/DSC00414.jpg http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b282/stefptycia/DSC00415.jpg http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b282/stefptycia/DSC00416.jpg http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b282/stefptycia/DSC00417.jpg http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b282/stefptycia/DSC00419.jpg http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b282/stefptycia/DSC00420.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FunkyMonk Posted July 22, 2010 Author Share Posted July 22, 2010 These are the details he gave to me on this particular guitar : Details: Pancake body with lacquer-checked oversprapy on rear, neck repair has required overspray and black 'Stinger' to be added. No volute but this may have been removed during repair. Pickup cavities slightly enlarged to fit standard humbuckers. Sounds a bit worn and troublesome? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KL Posted July 22, 2010 Share Posted July 22, 2010 Well for $1800 in the US I think you should be able to find a better Les Paul. If you want a 70's Norlin Era one I would personally go for a Deluxe. If that is a Deluxe then the pickups are not original as Charlie Brown has said. The minihumbuckers on a Deluxe are great. If it was a deluxe then either the body will have had to be routed out to fit those pickups, or it is possible that it was a deluxe with larger factory routing already present. Gibson did make quite a lot of Deluxes out of bodies routed for standards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigKahune Posted July 22, 2010 Share Posted July 22, 2010 ... Details: .... neck repair has required overspray and black 'Stinger' to be added. No volute but this may have been removed during repair. ... Sounds a bit worn and troublesome? A "neck" repair covered by a stinger - no way $1800 - too much! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wardog357 Posted July 23, 2010 Share Posted July 23, 2010 I bought a "77" LP Deluxe new in 77.....they are correct in saying the truss rod cover is both...not original due to the lack of deluxe being wrote on it and it is defintely upside down. They did come stock with green key tuners and mini humbuckers. As far as the 3 piece top...well mine was a gold top. But have you held the instrument...because they were extremly heavy or at least mine was. Also...the input jack cover plate was plastic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KL Posted July 23, 2010 Share Posted July 23, 2010 I bought a "77" LP Deluxe new in 77.....they are correct in saying the truss rod cover is both...not original due to the lack of deluxe being wrote on it and it is defintely upside down. They did come stock with green key tuners and mini humbuckers. As far as the 3 piece top...well mine was a gold top. But have you held the instrument...because they were extremly heavy or at least mine was. Also...the input jack cover plate was plastic. That said, Gibson do have a bit of a track record for putting Deluxe or Standard etc on truss rod covers then suddenly on the same model putting blank TRC's. My 75 Deluxe certainly says Deluxe on it, but I would like to find an original 70's replacement someday at a sensible price as mine does have a crack next to one of the screw holes. Same with the cream plastic jacksocket surround . . that is cracked too. KSD if you see this do you still have the parts registry going? Maybe that might be a good place for me to start! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stefptycia Posted July 23, 2010 Share Posted July 23, 2010 Hi Boys I've edited my post above and you should now see the pics Regards Stef Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie brown Posted July 23, 2010 Share Posted July 23, 2010 Here's some shots, of my (slightly modified) '76 LP Deluxe. I added "grovers," and a chrome plate, at the input jack. I also had the pickups, wax potted (in 2008), as they had gone "microphonic," after 32 years. Plays great, and sounds fantastic! And yeah, it weighs "a ton," as most did, during that period. Good wide neoprene strap, takes care of that, nicely. ;>) CB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stefptycia Posted July 25, 2010 Share Posted July 25, 2010 Hi CB She looks great for her age and could be a twin to mine. I think the action on these babys is absolutley fantastic. How did you wax pot your pups? Stef Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie brown Posted July 25, 2010 Share Posted July 25, 2010 Hi CB She looks great for her age and could be a twin to mine. I think the action on these babys is absolutley fantastic. How did you wax pot your pups? Stef Thanks, Stef... "I" didn't do the potting. I had a repair/restoration luthier do it, for me. There are info sites, on the Internet, about how to do it, but I was afraid that my pickups needed re-winding, as well...so, I sent it to a guy I've used a lot, for things like that. He told me the windings were fine, and the pickups were strong... they just needed wax potting. Was less than 50 bucks, for both, including shipping. Now, it sounds better, than when I first got it, in '76. More articulate, tone wise. CB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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