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Unfortunately any idiot with a computer can make a Wikipedia entry..

 

..and Al's your uncle.

 

 

...what's this I hear? Britney's going on tour????.....

 

..and Al's your uncle.

 

Who is this Uncle Al character? Probably some noobie guitar rookie or something.

I mean geez like look what I found on Wikipedia...AS IF! O:)

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Britney_Spears

 

Wikipedia= Solid source = They Rule.

 

PS: I can't believe you are posting here rather than getting your pre-sale tix! Some fan.=;

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Who is this Uncle Al character? Probably some noobie guitar rookie or something.

I mean geez like look what I found on Wikipedia...AS IF! O:)

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Britney_Spears

 

Wikipedia= Solid source = They Rule.

 

PS: I can't believe you are posting here rather than getting your pre-sale tix! Some fan.=;

 

...I feel so...enlightened. Thank you so much. I believe I've had a Britpiphany...or maybe I just need some Gasex...5150 ? Isn't that an amp??? Where's my Mastercard?

 

...and Al's your uncle.

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...I feel so...enlightened. Thank you so much. I believe I've had a Britpiphany...or maybe I just need some Gasex...5150 ? Isn't that an amp??? Where's my Mastercard?

 

...and Al's your uncle.

 

Oh you don't care. Make fun of her sure...even when she was....

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlkzgI_jNUg

 

LEAVE BRITNEY ALONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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I don't have time for this foolishness...I have a bootleg copy of Paris Hilton's "Hottie" to watch...

 

...and Al's your uncle.

 

Don't blame you one bit.

 

Hijacking a thread called "Gibson Shmibson" with Britney & Paris content is the right thing to do.

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like that the Beatles' Epiphones are Gibsons with Epiphone scribbled on them?

 

Now did I say that?? Or are you deliberately trying to miss the point?

 

The Epiphones that the Beatles used were made in Gibson's Kalamazoo factory' date=' side-by-side with their Gibson counterparts' date=' to the same specs and the same quality... So, ostensibly, they WERE Gibson guitars with the name "Epiphone" on the headstock...[/quote'']

 

... I believe you did.

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I played professionally from '66-'84 and used Gibsons exclusively and never had any electronics or hardware problems but I can't speak for the new ones. I will say beyond a doubt that if I played regularly today (and the 2 or 3 gigs a year I still 'sit in' on) I use modified Epis for all the reasons stated in other posts. They are well-built and durable and with new pickups & switches they sound and perform as well as any other guitar.

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So, it didn't take too long to get back to kicking the dead horse again!

 

Uncle Al is right, all the old Epis in the late 60s and early 70's (to a point)

were made by Gibson at the Kalamazoo (Eleanor St.) plant. Ted McCarty

wanted to have two product lines separate from each other so that stores

that were not authorized Gibson dealers could acquire the Epiphone line and

could advertise the fact that they were Epiphone dealers. Such was the case

with the music store where I used to work. We could still get a Gibson guitar,

(if the buyer was not satisfied with any of the Epiphones we had), but that

had to be bought from a authorized Gibson dealer and they would get their cut

on the transaction. There was no real difference in quality then between the

two lines, except price and availability.

O:)

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Every single epiphone i`ve ever had had to be modified with new 3 way switches,and tuners. the sound would cut in and out all the time, some of the guitars didnt stay in tune and needed new tuners. never had any problems with my gibsons.

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Those two in a conversation' date=' hmmm it's like a modern day Thomas Edison meets Albert Einstein.

 

BTW is this the 1 year anniversary thread?

 

Click Here> Gibson Shmibson 2007 version

 

Being new to this forum has been enlightening to say the least. I just clicked on the "1 year anniversary thread", read most of it and now wonder, being that there's no answer to the controversy, if Jimmy Page, played a modded Epi LP or Angus played a modded Epi SG, on and on, what their opinion would be. I said modded, because the majority here seem to agree that the pickups etc., may be lacking.........Hmmmmm..........J

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Being new to this forum has been enlightening to say the least. I just clicked on the "1 year anniversary thread"' date=' read most of it and now wonder, being that there's no answer to the controversy, if Jimmy Page, played a modded Epi LP or Angus played a modded Epi SG, on and on, what their opinion would be. I said modded, because the majority here seem to agree that the pickups etc., may be lacking.........Hmmmmm..........J[/quote']

 

It's nothing new, believe me it never ends my friend, this foolish debate. You ain't seen nothing yet.

 

I don't know what Page and Young would think (haha sounds like a law firm) but FWIW I have 2 modded Epi's ( and one stock) and no tone/keeping in tune/or making music complaints here. Let them argue about it till the end of time for all I care, the more controversial it gets it kind of makes owning Epiphones more fun in some cynical way. Especially when they sound kickass! [-o<

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The Epiphones that the Beatles used were made in Gibson's Kalamazoo factory' date=' side-by-side with their Gibson counterparts, to the same specs and the same quality... So, ostensibly, they WERE Gibson guitars with the name "Epiphone" on the headstock... The Epiphones that you see Lennon and McCartney playing are of a much higher quality than the Asian made Epiphones we have today..

 

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I just ran across this. And I don't believe it for one second.

I played those epis, back in the day. And I don't care if they were made here. They aren't 'of a much higher quality' in my view.. hands or ears. Just being made here doesn't mean much. And I don't beleive the wood was so much better that it overcame things like.. multi pieces, etc.. any better than current wood.

I'm not going to argue it though. For me, 75% of the vintage mojo is just that.. mojo.

nice for collectors and inconsequential for players.

 

 

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He asked if he said that. He did.

 

When did I say anyone "scribbled Epiphone on them"??

 

I just ran across this. And I don't believe it for one second.

I played those epis' date=' back in the day. And I don't care if they were made here. They aren't 'of a much higher quality' in my view.. hands or ears. Just being made here doesn't mean much. And I don't beleive the wood was so much better that it overcame things like.. multi pieces, etc.. any better than current wood.

I'm not going to argue it though. For me, 75% of the vintage mojo is just that.. mojo.

nice for collectors and inconsequential for players.

 

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I was just trying to illustrate to bluefoxicy that the Epiphones of the 60's were of a higher calibre than the Asian-made Epiphones of today... I can't tell you how they compared to their Gibson cousins of the same time period, but I don't think Paul McCartney would pick up a Korean Casino and tell you it's just as good as his '62 Casino... Because it just aint so...

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Gibson was falling on hard times a number of years ago. They were shipping a lot of seconds up to a year ago. I know pointed out flaws in the guitar. Unfortunately that wasn't reflected in the price.

When the new CEO who had no musical experience (MBA) took over, the first thing he did was stop shipment on the seconds, and double the price on all of the guitars. This article was in Time magazine.

I think Gibson needs Epiphone for the $$$$$ they are earning. The quality of the instruments is improving.

I have four Epi's and none of them have let me down

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When the new CEO who had no musical experience (MBA) took over' date=' the first thing he did was stop shipment on the seconds, and double the price on all of the guitars. This article was in Time magazine.

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Yeah, that was back in the 80's... (85/86?) I remember it seemed like the prices doubled OVERNIGHT... Nobody could give a rational reason as to why... And I asked just about every dealer that I came in contact with.. Then they all (dealers) started dropping like flies...

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Gibson was falling on hard times a number of years ago. They were shipping a lot of seconds up to a year ago. I know pointed out flaws in the guitar. Unfortunately that wasn't reflected in the price.

When the new CEO who had no musical experience (MBA) took over' date=' the first thing he did was stop shipment on the seconds, and double the price on all of the guitars. This article was in Time magazine.

I think Gibson needs Epiphone for the $$$$$ they are earning. The quality of the instruments is improving.

I have four Epi's and none of them have let me down[/quote']

 

Did you make all this up? Because:

1. Henry Juszkiewicz who is the Chairman and CEO of Gibson worked his way through school playing guitars in wedding and party bands. Henry J attended General Motors Institute and received an engineering degree and then received his MBA from Harvard.

 

2. "The hard times" were about twenty five years ago in the mid-80's and after Henry J and Company bought Gibson in 1985 they stopped shipping and selling seconds which had been a previous policy in the Norlin era (and they were discounted as second quality instruments). It is not the policy of the current Gibson Musical Instrument Company to sell second quality Gibson instruments but they do sell second quality Epiphones and again a discount is reflected in the price and they are clearly marked as being seconds.

 

3. While I agree the price of Gibsons has risen considerably over the last few years there wasn't a blanket doubling of prices when Henry J took over. He actually helped bring Gibsons to the unwashed masses with the expansion of the Studio lines and introduced the Les Paul Classics which are very reasonably priced instruments with a lot of the vibe of the higher-priced Les Pauls and the Gibson ES-137 is an exceptional value in a semi hollow body.

 

I agree that Epiphone is a strong money maker for Gibson and does have a focus on quality but your post is complete nonsense. Before posting perhaps you should gather together some background knowledge. There are many really good books on the subject and I usually recommend three- "The Les Paul Book" by Tony Bacon and Paul Day, "American Guitars" by Tom Wheeler" and "Gibson Guitars 100 Years Of An American Icon by Walter Carter. Good luck.

 

...and Al's your uncle.

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The 60s vintage Epiphone-12, in my Avatar, was (I think) made offshore somewhere. It was called the "Bard" model, and it took me a fair amount of research to peg the mfg. date for it. (since it doesn't have an Epiphone sticker in it). I'm not sure exactly where it was made, but it's the best made guitar in my collection. Lots of lacquer checking, but no cracks, warps, twists or any issues whatsoever. In fact, in 30 years of having it strung-up with 12 strings, it's never even needed a truss adjustment. This is the guitar that got me hooked on Epiphones.

 

 

Bard-3.jpg

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The 60s vintage Epiphone-12' date=' in my Avatar, was (I think) made offshore somewhere. It was called the "Bard" model, and it took me a fair amount of research to peg the mfg. date for it. (since it doesn't have an Epiphone sticker in it). I'm not sure exactly where it was made, but it's the best made guitar in my collection. Lots of lacquer checking, but no cracks, warps, twists or any issues whatsoever. In fact, in 30 years of having it strung-up with 12 strings, it's never even needed a truss adjustment. This is the guitar that got me hooked on Epiphones.

 

 

[img']http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc200/pgazzara/Bard-3.jpg[/img]

 

That sure does look like a late 60's/early 70's FT-110 Bard to me.. similar to the Gibson B-45 12 String....and those babies were made in Kalamazoo. ...unless yours has a bolt on neck and someone changed the bridge and tail piece..That looks like an original to me from what I can see... The truss rod cover is a later replacement...There was a bolt on neck FT-165 Bard 12 String that was part of the second wave of Matsumoku imports (c.1972) but I'm pretty sure yours is one of the real deals...and a natural one was once owned by Eric Clapton is played all over the Cream recordings. Nice guitar....and that case looks original too...

 

...and Al's your uncle.

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Iconoclast....thanks for the info! I sure looks US-made, and the serial number is punched-into the wood like the US-made models, but when I did the research, it seemed that some of these were made offshore, so that's what I was basing my opinion on, but I really didn't know. I found it in an

acoustic shop in Central PA, circa 1977, but really had no information on it's origins. Just a really nice guitar, built like a tank, for an acoustic. The tailpiece doesn't appear to be original, although I've seen others with a similar tailpiece. It might have shipped with a more conventional Epiphone trapeze on it. And, I've seen some guys who have converted the bridges to top (bridge) loaders, but I've left it as I found it. Surely one I'll never sell.

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