bluelake07 Posted May 19, 2008 Share Posted May 19, 2008 Allparts has a chrome economy model for $25. They also have a chrome trapeze for $45 that has a machined mounting bar. They appear identical in the photos. Is the machined mounting bar worth the additional $20? Any other differences? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubstar Posted May 19, 2008 Share Posted May 19, 2008 from what I recall, the more expensive one is slightly longer, maybe 6" to 5.75" on the economy...MIK casino has the shorter, elitist, lennons have the longer...but you should confirm this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWANG Posted May 19, 2008 Share Posted May 19, 2008 I've got gibsons and byrdlands and freqensators and a couple of others..plus the ones from all parts.. the tougher the hardware the less likely it is to bend under years of string pressure. some of these bend where you mount the strings.. some bend back at the bar that hooks through the tail connect. it's about decent metal and long term pressure. one is six inches the other five and a half..string spacing is different, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frenchie1281734003 Posted May 20, 2008 Share Posted May 20, 2008 I swapped out the tailpieces on two of my Japanese 80`s made Casino`s for the larger/heavier 6 inch heavy duty one,and i think it is a worthwhile mod to do.These are basically the tailpiece`s found on the original Kalamazoo guitars,and the Lennon reissues(the Elitists use the economy version also),i found a marked increase in sustain(acoustically),and it looks more substantial.You will have to redrill holes to make it fit,due to the 6 inch one being imperial.Anyone not sure of which is which,the larger 6 inch tailpiece has a larger diamond.Also of note,this part is available in Chrome,Gold and Nickel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluelake07 Posted June 9, 2008 Author Share Posted June 9, 2008 Bought the 6" $45 trapeze tailpiece from Allparts to replace the 5 1/2" on my MIK Casino. The string block and diamond accent are the same size as the stock one. The string spacing is narrower than stock. I used a file to enlarge the plate holes (they don't match up exactly) to attach the tailpiece to the body. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carverman Posted June 9, 2008 Share Posted June 9, 2008 I've got gibsons and byrdlands and freqensators and a couple of others..plus the ones from all parts..the tougher the hardware the less likely it is to bend under years of string pressure. some of these bend where you mount the strings.. some bend back at the bar that hooks through the tail connect. it's about decent metal and long term pressure. one is six inches the other five and a half..string spacing is different' date=' too. [/quote'] I've got a couple of GFS ones on my Emps. You are correct that the thin bars that connect the string bar to the tail piece bend a bit, but I feel that this is not a bad thing in itself and actually conforms the profile of the tailpiece to the arch top...at least IMO. Mine are GFS cheapies, they are hinged, but still bend (slightly) under string pressure, but definitely look a lot better than the original flat bar "lyre style/Byrdland style" tp that came with mine. They look great on the Emps, but would be a bit "too short looking" at 5 1/2 long, on a larger archtop such as a Broadway, which needs a L5 6 inch style tailpiece.. ...or the oem frequensator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormy Monday Posted February 17, 2010 Share Posted February 17, 2010 uh, i think i want to replace the Bigsby on my ES-295 archtop with a tailpiece. anybody know if this will be a problem or not? anybody know which is the best fit/build? anybody? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parabar Posted February 18, 2010 Share Posted February 18, 2010 The ES-295 is essentially the same guitar as an ES-175, so it could use a 175 style tailpiece. I believe Allparts and/or GFS still makes a zigzag style like the one on the 60's ES-175's. Any trapeze will leave the exposed mounting hole in the top from the Bigsby, so you'll either have to live with it or try to fill or cover it with something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormy Monday Posted February 18, 2010 Share Posted February 18, 2010 thanks for the feedback. i figgured that the es-175 tailpiece would be the one to go for. i don't care about the screw holes so much. i'm just not a whammy kind of player, really. plus i'm hoping that the tailpiece will help the guitar stay in tune better. any opinions on this? or, if it will effect sustain for better, or worse? gonna upgrade machines and nut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carverman Posted February 18, 2010 Share Posted February 18, 2010 plus i'm hoping that the tailpiece will help the guitar stay in tune better. any opinions on this? or' date=' if it will effect sustain for better, or worse? gonna upgrade machines and nut.[/quote'] On an archtop, most tp available aftermarket, doesn't have as much effect on sustain, unless you have a cast type... and those are hard to find. The nut, bridge and tuners, and type /guage of strings used will have more effect on staying in tune. Finding a slightly compensated tp helps as well. The best ones are the D'Angelico solid brass tp, which are "stair stepped", but these are very expensive at around $200. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormy Monday Posted February 18, 2010 Share Posted February 18, 2010 On an archtop' date=' most tp available aftermarket, doesn't have as much effect on sustain, unless youhave a cast type... and those are hard to find. The nut, bridge and tuners, and type /guage of strings used will have more effect on staying in tune. Finding a slightly compensated tp helps as well. The best ones are the D'Angelico solid brass tp, which are "stair stepped", but these are very expensive at around $200.[/quote'] i guess the question that i should be asking is, would a tailpiece - especially since i don't really care about the BIGSBY - would this tailpiece: be an improvement of any kind over the BIGSBY? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peeper Posted February 18, 2010 Share Posted February 18, 2010 define improvement. better looking? better sounding? if better sounding, define better sounding. louder? more sustain? more low end? Riddle me this? Do you hate the looks or functionality of the Bigsby? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormy Monday Posted February 18, 2010 Share Posted February 18, 2010 fair question. i think it will BE cooler for me to not have a BIGSBY. the Bigsby seems to pidgeonhole the design, and, for me, it feels like an excessive piece. i'm wondering if the replacement of of the one giant dynamic mechanism from the system with a static piece will make for a more solid and, hence, more stable system? seems like a smart move? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormy Monday Posted February 18, 2010 Share Posted February 18, 2010 +++scotty's didn't have a bigsby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest icantbuyafender Posted February 18, 2010 Share Posted February 18, 2010 can trapeze tailpieces from GFS fit correctly onto a Epi LP standard? Im curious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest icantbuyafender Posted February 19, 2010 Share Posted February 19, 2010 bump! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormy Monday Posted February 19, 2010 Share Posted February 19, 2010 prolly depends upon string spacing.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest icantbuyafender Posted February 19, 2010 Share Posted February 19, 2010 prolly depends upon string spacing.... is the mounting plate compatible with the depth of a les paul as compared to a sherri ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormy Monday Posted February 19, 2010 Share Posted February 19, 2010 the phone number to allparts.com is: (713) 466-6414 i bet they can answer all yer questions... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carverman Posted February 19, 2010 Share Posted February 19, 2010 i guess the question that i should be asking is' date=' would a tailpiece - especially since i don't really care about the BIGSBY - would this tailpiece: [img']http://www.universaljems.com/cart/trap/TP_0420-010.jpg[/img] be an improvement of any kind over the BIGSBY? IMO, unless you are strickly interested in appearances...NO. There is a better style tp that the current Gibson ES-175 has, and that may be of some improvement..but these are proprietary and not available in the aftermarket..and if you can find one used somewhere, then that would be the one. http://forums.gibson.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=12018 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carverman Posted February 19, 2010 Share Posted February 19, 2010 can trapeze tailpieces from GFS fit correctly onto a Epi LP standard? Im curious. If you are referring to that nice harp shaped one..the actual hinged part is 2 1/8 inches long at the very tip. An EPi LP is 1 7/8 thick at the end, so you have a 1/4 of an inch to remove to get it to fit. It can be done, but you would have to modify the hinge part by cutting/filing off that 1/4 of an inch and then dealing with relocating the strap peg hole. Now the silly question? Why would you want to do that..you are not going to get the same sustain as with the current string stop bar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest icantbuyafender Posted February 19, 2010 Share Posted February 19, 2010 If you are referring to that nice harp shaped one..the actual hinged part is 2 1/8 incheslong at the very tip. An EPi LP is 1 7/8 thick at the end' date=' so you have a 1/4 of an inch to remove to get it to fit. It can be done, but you would have to modify the hinge part by cutting/filing off that 1/4 of an inch and then dealing with relocating the strap peg hole. Now the silly question? Why would you want to do that..you are not going to get the same sustain as with the current string stop bar. [/quote'] pure aesthetics. nothing more. and a quick way of swapping a wraptail bridge to a tuneomatic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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