Casino Revolution question

[alfareese]

Hello Everyone,

I just bought a Casino Revolution, I had read about them and was considering a regular Casino but I saw one in a music store in Michigan and bought it. I played it and it sounds and feels very nice. I saw one for sale on Ebay and I realized I didn't get any of the extras, like the case with the shroud, The certificate of authentication. It has the blue epiphone tag in one f hole and the John Lennon sticker in the other hole but it just has a number. Not like 1000/1965 just a number.

From what I've read on the internet they were just going to make so may of these so this is raising alarm bells. Also on the back of the headstock there is a capital "R". The guitar I saw on ebay doesn't have this letter.

Any opinions? Did all the Revolutions come with cases etc?

Thanks

Barry

[charlie brown]

"R" means "Refurbished" and some retailers were selling those, sans case and case (candy) extras.

You can contact Gibson, with the serial number, and they should be able to authenticate it (or not).

If your dealer is a reputable one (Authorized Gibson/Epiphone dealer) they should do that for you,

as part of the "service!" But, if they don't feel the "need," then just contact Gibson CS direct.

(e-mail) www.service@gibson.com

Phone 1-800 444-2766

 

Good luck!

CB

[JefferySmith]

I've seen several refurbished Revolution Casinos of late, going for $1,000-ish or a bit more. I think MF had a few. I've always steered clear, in case refurbished meant that a headstock had snapped off and been glued back on.

[alfareese]

Thanks for the info. Now I guess I have to decide what to do about it. I think that the music store doesn't have the original stuff that came with it probably because it's refurbished like you say. I don't think I would have bought it knowing this.

Thanks again

Barry

[charlie brown]

Thanks for the info. Now I guess I have to decide what to do about it. I think that the music store doesn't have the original stuff that came with it probably because it's refurbished like you say. I don't think I would have bought it knowing this.

Thanks again

Barry

 

Well, that doesn't mean it's not a great guitar...just that at some point,

they needed to address some "issue." Might have been a very minor

cosmetic thing. If the only thing you've noticed, is the "R" and lack of

a case and the "case candy" as they call the extras...it's probably fine!

I'd say, just enjoy it! Play the heck out of it, etc. But, I can understand,

too...your feelings, if they didn't tell you, it was a "refurb" version. Maybe,

if nothing else, you can get them to throw in a case, or reduce the price,

a bit??? Worth a try, anyway. But, as long as it's structurally sound, and

looks great....play it!

 

CB

[Red 333]

Your guitar MAY be perfect. Epiphone builds more limited editions like these than they can number, in case there is damage to any of them in transit, during set up and inspection, etc. Once they have numbered them all, they sell off the overruns by putting the R on them. There was whole crop of them on Musician's Friend (sold with a replacement case but full warranty) on Musician's Friend not too long ago. Yours could be one of them.

[byrds1965]

Your guitar MAY be perfect. Epiphone builds more limited editions like these than they can number' date=' in case there is damage to any of them in transit, during set up and inspection, etc. Once they have numbered them all, they sell off the overruns by putting the R on them. There was whole crop of them on Musician's Friend (sold with a replacement case but full warranty) on Musician's Friend not too long ago. Yours could be one of them.

 

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I wonder sometimes about the factory 2nds. I have a feeling in the old days, Korean production only, they stamped a few seconds to keep the factories in line. I have an EJ160e and my Jorma is a 2nd but I can't find the flaws.

 

My burst casino is not a second and it has a little orange dot by one of the volume knobs and one of the P90s housing was not stamped right so it has a gap instead of flush with the body. I turned it around so the gap is under the pickgaurd.

 

Same opinion on the Revolution casino though. I would go back to the store and let them know you know it is a Refurb and they did not tell you up front. If you paid full price ask for a price break or tell them you just want a refund and you will get a new one with the case and tags etc.

 

Give them the option to make it right, but if you paid full price you should have all the right stuff and the case.

[JefferySmith]

Thanks for the info. Now I guess I have to decide what to do about it. I think that the music store doesn't have the original stuff that came with it probably because it's refurbished like you say. I don't think I would have bought it knowing this.

Thanks again

Barry

Keep in mind that it has several important things going for it: good hardware' date=' and a thin finish (to improve the acoustics). So it isn't a collector's item. I feel that way about my Sheraton II Reissue. It isn't what I thought it was going to be, but it is still a good guitar for using.

Now, if you had paid retail price for this John Lennon model of a Gibson, you should be disappointed. [img']http://www.sweetwater.com/images/guitars/CSLPLennon/LENNON208/LENNON208-front-l.jpg[/img]

Suggested retail price? $7,527.

[charlie brown]

LOL!!!! $7,527.00...Rediculous, even by Gibson standards!

 

CB

[pohatu771]

It's only being sold for $5000, though, at most stores.

[JefferySmith]

It's only being sold for $5000' date=' though, at most stores.[/quote']

That's only about 20X more than it is worth.

[charlie brown]

It's only being sold for $5000' date=' though, at most stores.[/quote']

 

And, how much of that goes to "The Spirit Foundation?"

 

CB

[Guest]

 

And' date=' how much of that goes to "The Spirit Foundation?"

 

CB[/quote']

 

More like how much of that goes for Yoko's face lifts...The funniest...or saddest thing... depending upon your perspective is that the Special was a budget/intermediate level instrument...there was a time, not that long ago (within the past fifteen years or so) when you could pick up a 50's Special in great shape for under a grand...in the 70's I was buying them for around a hundred bucks and turning them around for $125-$150...my regret is that I didn't hang on to one for myself but at the time I really didn't want one or think that I ever would want one and at $5K I most certainly can live without one.

[charlie brown]

 

More like how much of that goes for Yoko's face lifts...The funniest...or saddest thing... depending upon your perspective is that the Special was a budget/intermediate level instrument...there was a time' date=' not that long ago (within the past fifteen years or so) when you could pick up a 50's Special in great shape for under a grand...in the 70's I was buying them for around a hundred bucks and turning them around for $125-$150...my regret is that I didn't hang on to one for myself but at the time I really didn't want one or think that I ever would want one and at $5K I most certainly can live without one.[/quote']

 

Yeah, I like the newer ones, better, anyway...because they don't have that blasted piece of the body,

protruding into the cutaway, like the "Vintage" ones, do. That always felt "in the way," to me...so I

was never comfortable, with it. I did like the tone, though. But, the new ones (except the Billy Joe Armstrong version) have a clean cutaway. So, IF I was to ever get one, it would be one of them.

 

CB

[JefferySmith]

 

More like how much of that goes for Yoko's face lifts...The funniest...or saddest thing... depending upon your perspective is that the Special was a budget/intermediate level instrument...there was a time' date=' not that long ago (within the past fifteen years or so) when you could pick up a 50's Special in great shape for under a grand...in the 70's I was buying them for around a hundred bucks and turning them around for $125-$150...my regret is that I didn't hang on to one for myself but at the time I really didn't want one or think that I ever would want one and at $5K I most certainly can live without one.

 

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I don't have enormous admiration for Yoko. And she is enough of a golddigger, I can imagine that $2,000 from each guitar goes to her. I wouldn't mind it if it were going to John Lennon, but Yoko Ono's only contribution to humanity was to break up the Beatles (and that contribution was only to the old farts in the 1960's who thought they were just awful, like my parents).

[alfareese]

Hi again,

My guitar was listed at around 2300 and I ended up paying 1900 so I thout I was getting a break, I haven't seen a refurbished one on ebay so I don't know what they go for. I like the guitar but I'm having bad feelings about the whole thing. Does anyone have a opinion on what I should pay for this guitar? It doesn't have the certificate of authenticity, the case or any of the case candy.

Thanks for your comments.

Barry

[charlie brown]

Actually, The Beatles breakup, had nothing to do with Yoko. People love to "blame" her, but in fact, they were all

ready, to go different directions. And, technically, Paul quit first. But, John had stated, many times, that he was ready

for something else, after they quit touring...George, too. So, hate Yoko, if you must...but John loved her, and he's the

only one that counts, that way. I was never really a fan of hers, but I don't hate her, or blame her for "vexing" John,

and "breaking up the Beatles." Has she made some "mistakes," in some of the stuff she's done, since...absolutely.

But, it's easy to criticize, from our perspectives, not really knowing, what's going on, or how/why those decisions are made.

So, I prefer to give John credit, and Yoko the benefit, of the doubt. But, that's just me, apparently? LOL!

 

CB

[Guest]

Actually' date=' The Beatles breakup, had nothing to do with Yoko. People love to "blame" her, but in fact, they were all

ready, to go different directions. And, technically, Paul quit first. But, John had stated, many times, that he was ready

for something else, after they quit touring...George, too. So, hate Yoko, if you must...but John loved her, and he's the

only one that counts, that way. I was never really a fan of hers, but I don't hate her, or blame her for "vexing" John,

and "breaking up the Beatles." Has she made some "mistakes," in some of the stuff she's done, since...absolutely.

But, it's easy to criticize, from our perspectives, not really knowing, what's going on, or how/why those decisions are made.

So, I prefer to give John credit, and Yoko the benefit, of the doubt. But, that's just me, apparently? LOL!

 

CB

[/quote']

Actually Paul was the last one to quit and didn't really quit but took the other three to court to have the Beatle monies put into receivership which obviously pissed the others off. Ringo had left in August of 1968 during the White Album sessions (which is why the drumming on "Back In The USSR" is an amalgamation of the other three's drumming) but was coaxed back by the others and then in January of 1969 George and Paul argued with the camera rolling for "Let It Be" and then George and John are said to have come to physical blows and George quit only to be talked into finishing "Let It Be" and when "Let it Be" turned out so disappointing George agreed to do one last "good" album which was "Abbey Road". In the autumn of 1969 John was said to have asked Paul "for a divorce" but with "Abbey Road" about to be released he agreed to keep quiet about it...and then "Let It Be" was set for release and again John agreed to wait to announce that he was leaving but Paul set the release of his first solo album so that it would compete with the release of "Let It Be" and also included an "interview" in the press copies of his album that said essentially he couldn't foresee ever working with the Beatles as a band again and all of these factors played the end for the Beatles. Yoko didn't end the Beatles but her constant presence in the studio did add to the already strained relationships within the Beatles.

[charlie brown]

Well, I'll bow to your expertise, on Paul's departure. I guess I was thinking of his putting them into recievership, as being his bow out, and therefore him "officially leaving," first. Which, of course would/did piss off, the others. Especially John, because he felt it was just another "manipulation" on Pauls part, to make Paul appear to be the one "in charge" and the rest of them, susidiaries. And yeah, I knew about the other's "quitting" at various times, only to be coaxed back...that's pretty common knowledge...but, I think things were well on the way, before Yoko showed up. But, her presence there, was at John's wishes/insistance. That was John, being "John," too. Granted, her constant presence there, was no picnic, for the others. But, he basically, didn't care, what the other's thought, about that.

 

Anyway...there's plenty of information out there, for me to re-check, no doubt! And, "It don't matter now, anyway...it's done/over/kaput!"

 

CB

[Red 333]

Hi again' date='

My guitar was listed at around 2300 and I ended up paying 1900 so I thout I was getting a break, I haven't seen a refurbished one on ebay so I don't know what they go for. I like the guitar but I'm having bad feelings about the whole thing. Does anyone have a opinion on what I should pay for this guitar? It doesn't have the certificate of authenticity, the case or any of the case candy.

Thanks for your comments.

Barry[/quote']

 

I think the Revolution Refurbs on MF were $1399 with a standard Epiphone case. The Revolution Casino is an exquisite instrument. If it didn't have that R on it, it would be worth $1900 (with a case) IMO, as long as you had no illlusions of buying a collectable. As an alternative, the Elitist Casino is also excellent, though just not *quite* the same as the Revolution.

 

Red 333 & 339