Growler Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 Source: Click Here> GuitarSite.com Epiphone’s Historic Custom USA collection wll make its debut at NAMM 2009 with the introduction of the Epiphone 1962 Wilshire Vintage Reissue model. Original Wilshire guitars sold for an MSRP of $210 and are now worth anywhere from $5,000 to $15,000 depending on condition. The first in the Epiphone Historic Custom series, the reissue 1962 Wilshire will be produced in cherry finish and made in Nashville in cooperation with the Gibson Custom Shop and limited to only 100 instruments worldwide. Available in March 2009, the Epiphone 1962 Reissue Vintage Wilshire model combines impeccable attention to detail and historic accuracy. Each guitar will include an original style hard case, a numbered certificate of authenticity, vintage styled coiled guitar cord, commemorative picks, a commemorative t-shirt and a 1962-style thing leather strap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pohatu771 Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 The question now, is will a Gibson Custom Shop with an Epiphone headstock sell for the same price as a Gibson, or less? In related news, I have a Fender vintage-style thin leather strap that I quite like, but no guitar to attach to it. I bought it for the Martin, but it's too small to fit over either strap button - one's just big, and the other is an endpin jack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Growler Posted January 7, 2009 Author Share Posted January 7, 2009 The question now' date=' is will a Gibson Custom Shop with an Epiphone headstock sell for the same price as a Gibson, or less?[/quote'] Good question. But since these are only limited to 100 these aren't going to be cheap, that's for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pohatu771 Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 Good question. But since these are only limited to 100 these aren't going to be cheap' date=' that's for sure.[/quote']Well, the Guitar of the Month models only had 400 made, and some of those sold for $1000 or less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Growler Posted January 7, 2009 Author Share Posted January 7, 2009 Well' date=' the Guitar of the Month models only had 400 made, and some of those sold for $1000 or less.[/quote'] True. A wait and see I guess. I'm just happy to see something from the past return as a reissue on the same day I posted that other thread about that awful V/SG thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duane v Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 An American made Epi!!!! It's about time... Now I can actually purchase a new Epiphone for the first time=d> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Memphs1978 Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 im kinda meh... about the guitar its self it does not do that much for me i know a few of you guys that have the love them. I would like to see the guitar tho.. could be pretty bada$$ i wonder if it will have a nitro finsh on it or a poly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie brown Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 I'd guess, it would be Nitro finished, if they're going to keep as close to the originals, as possible. But, we won't know for sure, until they print the specs. But, at 100 units worldwide, it will (most likely) be out of my price/desire range. CB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duane v Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 But' date=' at 100 units worldwide, it will (most likely) be out of my price/desire range. CB[/quote'] I don't know about that..... If it's the deluxe model, then get ready to lay down $2000... If it's the standard, I can see Gibson Building it and have it retail for $1700 no problem. Either way I've been b******* for some time for Epi to do an American made Wishire or Crestwood... So I feel a sense of obligation, plus I really dig the early Wilshire guitars Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie brown Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 I don't know about that..... If it's the deluxe model' date=' then get ready to lay down $2000... If it's the standard, I can see Gibson Building it and have it retail for $1700 no problem. Either way I've been b******* for some time for Epi to do an American made Wishire or Crestwood... So I feel a sense of obligation, plus I really dig the early Wilshire guitars[/quote'] Then Duane, old buddy...I'm rootin' for you...Go For It!! Right now, I can't afford to pay attention, much less buy another guitar! LOL! (Got too many, now, anyway!) ;>) CB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snookelputz Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 Source: Click Here> GuitarSite.com Epiphone’s Historic Custom USA collection wll make its debut at NAMM 2009 with the introduction of the Epiphone 1962 Wilshire Vintage Reissue model. Original Wilshire guitars sold for an MSRP of $210 and are now worth anywhere from $5' date='000 to $15,000 depending on condition. The first in the Epiphone Historic Custom series, the reissue 1962 Wilshire will be produced in cherry finish and made in Nashville in cooperation with the Gibson Custom Shop and limited to only 100 instruments worldwide. Available in March 2009, the Epiphone 1962 Reissue Vintage Wilshire model combines impeccable attention to detail and historic accuracy. Each guitar will include an original style hard case, a numbered certificate of authenticity, vintage styled coiled guitar cord, commemorative picks, a commemorative t-shirt and a 1962-style thing leather strap.[/i'] I thought they wanted to build guitars. Seems what they really want is to turn themselves into the Franklin Mint. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duane v Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 Then Duane' date=' old buddy...I'm rootin' for you...Go For It!! Right now, I can't afford to pay attention, much less buy another guitar! LOL! (Got too many, now, anyway!) ;>) CB[/quote'] I'm lucky to have a bit of a surplus right now, and my wife is only taking half of my bonus this Friday. I was gonna purchase a 66 Crestwood from Gruhn, but I'm gonna wait and see if I can get one of the new Epi Wilshire guitars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Growler Posted January 7, 2009 Author Share Posted January 7, 2009 Here are some pics of an original 63: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duane v Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 Man I just love that style headstock=d> ... It's so proportioned to the body (unlike the Casinos) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluelake07 Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 I'm disappointed Gibson/Epiphone is going this route. I'd like to see an Asian-made guitar with Sheraton/LP Custom component and build quality for around $700. We'd get a good, playable guitar and could upgrade it with higher-quality components as we see fit. At $2000, $2500 or whatever, I think that you better be sure you like the guitar and are going to keep it as "manufactured rarity" items of any sort almost always lose value . This model isn't historically significant and is unknown to most electric guitar players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bender 4 Life Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 I am LITERALLY holding my breath and praying that the Historic American Custom series catches on and they broaden it to include some truly VOS guitars. I'd LOVE to see reissues on origional Broadways, zephyrs,Sheratons, Casinos, and dare I say even a few VOS LP's, perhaps the '56 & '59. A VOS '62 & '66 SG would be great too. and YES I WOULD pay a premium price for these guitars without even blinking (as i'm sure a lot of us would) as long as they're high quality instruments, without the rediculous price the "Gibson" name garners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Memphs1978 Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 I am LITERALLY holding my breath and praying that the Historic American Custom seriescatches on and they broaden it to include some truly VOS guitars. I'd LOVE to see reissues on origional Broadways' date=' zephyrs,Sheratons, Casinos, and dare I say even a few VOS LP's, perhaps the '56 & '59. A VOS '62 & '66 SG would be great too. and YES I WOULD pay a premium price for these guitars without even blinking (as i'm sure a lot of us would) as long as they're high quality instruments, without the rediculous price the "Gibson" name garners.[/quote'] oh stop there will be so much guitar porn around here it wouldnt even be funny... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nelson Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 Source: Click Here> GuitarSite.com Epiphone’s Historic Custom USA collection wll make its debut at NAMM 2009 with the introduction of the Epiphone 1962 Wilshire Vintage Reissue model. Original Wilshire guitars sold for an MSRP of $210 and are now worth anywhere from $5' date='000 to $15,000 depending on condition. The first in the Epiphone Historic Custom series, the reissue 1962 Wilshire will be produced in cherry finish and made in Nashville in cooperation with the Gibson Custom Shop and limited to only 100 instruments worldwide. Available in March 2009, the Epiphone 1962 Reissue Vintage Wilshire model combines impeccable attention to detail and historic accuracy. Each guitar will include an original style hard case, a numbered certificate of authenticity, vintage styled coiled guitar cord, commemorative picks, a commemorative t-shirt and a 1962-style thing leather strap.[/i'] Run of only 100? You're looking at $4K list..minimum..maybe even $5K...sorry Epi-kiddies....looks like you're back to ghettoizing Asian Epiphone Juniors for entertainment...a Lennon Casino, remember, listed for $3K and it wasn't really even made here let alone being a custom shop run...Back in 1997 a friend of mine who was then in marketing for Gibson/Epiphone told me there were a lot of set backs with the Lennon Casino because they were having a hard time getting it to market under $5K list when it was part of a custom shop run...and so they made it in Japan and assembled it in Nashville...and that was twelve years ago.. Nelson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pohatu771 Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 That was one thing I was going to mention - the Japanese-made Lennon Casinos sell for more than the ES-330 they're making now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Growler Posted January 8, 2009 Author Share Posted January 8, 2009 Run of only 100? You're looking at $4K list..minimum..maybe even $5K...sorry Epi-kiddies....looks like you're back to ghettoizing Asian Epiphone Juniors for entertainment...a Lennon Casino' date=' remember, listed for $3K and it wasn't really even made here let alone being a custom shop run...Back in 1997 a friend of mine who was then in marketing for Gibson/Epiphone told me there were a lot of set backs with the Lennon Casino because they were having a hard time getting it to market under $5K list when it was part of a custom shop run...and so they made it in Japan and assembled it in Nashville...and that was twelve years ago.. Nelson[/quote'] I agree as well. American made? Run of 100? These aren't going out cheap, no way. All jokes aside, you of all people must be pretty happy to see this happen. Hell, afterall it's 2009 and they are doing some Epi's in the USA again! I mean...who would have thought? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nelson Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 I agree as well. American made? Run of 100? These aren't going out cheap' date=' no way. All jokes aside, you of all people must be pretty happy to see this happen. Hell, afterall it's 2009 and they are doing some Epi's in the USA again! I mean...who would have thought?[/quote'] No, they're doing over-priced Gibson guitars with the Epiphone name on them...whew...that's the 180 of what's been happening lol...OK..Epiphones are intended (as they have been since 1957) to be an alternative...(but not always a cheaper alternative as Kalamazoo Rivieras listed for more than their ES-335 cousins in the 60's)...to Gibson guitars...since about 1971 that did mean a much cheaper alternative and there's nothing wrong with that but what really grates me is how Gibson charges an inordinate amount of money for people to have any authenticity to the original models whether they're Epiphones or Gibsons...The Wilshires were intermediate/advanced student models just as the Casinos were...$5K for an intermediate model guitar? that's just fu<king ridiculous...are you telling me that a Wilshire couldn't be made and marketed in the same niche as a similar model American Hamer <$2K ? The John Lennon Junior/Special is a prime example of capitalizing on the sucker born every minute adage...are you kidding me? I loved Lennon's music and appreciate his contributions to culture and art but his damned name on a guitar doesn't triple what it's actually worth... My problem with Epiphone is their moving production to China and scamming everyone that these models are as good as the Korean models and worth equally as much in the market place while their production costs were probably cut in half by the move...yet no drop in price to reflect this savings?..The Korean-made Epiphones were some really good guitars for the money..not in any way close to a Gibson but on their own very good values...The Chinese models I've bothered to pick up have felt cheap and tinny in comparison and the finishes look cheap...just my opinion...if you own one of these I'm certain your feelings are going to be different...Unfortunately because these will be limited runs the USA Epiphones are going to be too high-priced to be of interest to me....especially when I pride myself on NOT having bought a brand new guitars since 1999... Nelson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyushPresley Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 Now that's what we are talking about... Epi made in the US..!! but this one I am damn sure is going to be out of reach...atleast I won't be able to buy it but who ever does get it.. congrats !!..I'd love the Les Pauls to be made in the us too..at least the QC would be reliable, not only the Lp but the whole Epiphone....like said above, if they cant cut costs after transferring to china then why make Epi's there..if they claim to be cheaper in production shouldn't they be cheaper to us customers too..!! it's better to make Epi's in the US i guess.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Growler Posted January 8, 2009 Author Share Posted January 8, 2009 No' date=' they're doing over-priced Gibson guitars with the Epiphone name on them...whew...that's the 180 of what's been happening lol...OK..Epiphones are intended (as they have been since 1957) to be an alternative...(but not always a cheaper alternative as Kalamazoo Rivieras listed for more than their ES-335 cousins in the 60's)...to Gibson guitars...since about 1971 that did mean a much cheaper alternative and there's nothing wrong with that but what really grates me is how Gibson charges an inordinate amount of money for people to have any authenticity to the original models whether they're Epiphones or Gibsons...The Wilshires were intermediate/advanced student models just as the Casinos were...$5K for an intermediate model guitar? that's just fu<king ridiculous...are you telling me that a Wilshire couldn't be made and marketed in the same niche as a similar model American Hamer <$2K ? The John Lennon Junior/Special is a prime example of capitalizing on the sucker born every minute adage...are you kidding me? I loved Lennon's music and appreciate his contributions to culture and art but his damned name on a guitar doesn't triple what it's actually worth... My problem with Epiphone is their moving production to China and scamming everyone that these models are as good as the Korean models and worth equally as much in the market place while their production costs were probably cut in half by the move...yet no drop in price to reflect this savings?..The Korean-made Epiphones were some really good guitars for the money..not in any way close to a Gibson but on their own very good values...The Chinese models I've bothered to pick up have felt cheap and tinny in comparison and the finishes look cheap...just my opinion...if you own one of these I'm certain your feelings are going to be different...Unfortunately because these will be limited runs the USA Epiphones are going to be too high-priced to be of interest to me....especially when I pride myself on NOT having bought a brand new guitars since 1999... Nelson[/quote'] Well, I meant from the perspective of just seeing the Epi name put on in the USA again like so many years before. Honestly, I never thought that would ever happen again. But I do agree with you on this quote regarding overpricing, especially on the Lennon Junior. Sure it's capitalism at it's worst and there are people who will buy them because it bears his name. But again, I agree that they could offer it for much less. Wilshire included good point, I never knew it was also considered a "student model" back then till you just pointed it out. They may be doing a Coronet and some others I heard and going the same route, asking for big dough. This is the first of a series of "Vintage" RI's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bender 4 Life Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 Run of only 100? You're looking at $4K list..minimum..maybe even $5K...sorry Epi-kiddies....looks like you're back to ghettoizing Asian Epiphone Juniors for entertainment...a Lennon Casino' date=' remember, listed for $3K and it wasn't really even made here let alone being a custom shop run...Back in 1997 a friend of mine who was then in marketing for Gibson/Epiphone told me there were a lot of set backs with the Lennon Casino because they were having a hard time getting it to market under $5K list when it was part of a custom shop run...and so they made it in Japan and assembled it in Nashville...and that was twelve years ago.. Nelson[/quote'] Since you're obviously the only one using this forum that can afford anything besides a Chinese Epi. Jr. with gold plated "24's" and stick on fender vents........I guess the rest of us should just give up and keep saving up for a Wal Mart "First Act" or Target "Lyon" guitar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duane v Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 Now that's what we are talking about... Epi made in the US..!! but this one I am damn sure is going to be out of reach...at least I won't be able to buy it . Honestly I just don't think they'll be priced out of reach, as long as Gibson/Epi don't attach a name to it. And really what artist can they attach to a Wilshire / Crestwood guitar other than(Robert White of Paul Revere and the Raiders)... and who gives a rip roaring flying f*** about those guys..LOL! I'll say the first 25 units might sell at list ($2000) because of impatient saps like me. But if Gibson can sell a LP Junior with a p-90 pup for $840... I'm sure you'll be able to get a Epi Wilshire Custom for $1500. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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