Tuning peg/tuner/machine head major problem!

[Angusthegod]

I'm pissed......... I went to tighten the nut on the tuner because my G-310 has been going out of tune, whn I accidentally twisted the wrong way, and it all came loose. Now I cannot screw it back on, because it seems that the screw/nut piece isnt going in deep enough to screw into the part on the other side. Help, I need to be able to play tomorrow.

[TWANG]

your tuner should be a grover type..

with a screw in bushing..

so you're talking about the bushing around the tuners peg on the face of the headstock.

the tuner should be tight to the back of the headstock. held in by a screw.

so if it ever was, and it was, screwed into the bushing..either it's come loose.. or you broke off part of the bushing.

take the tuner off the guitar.

look at it. see how they fit.

'bout all I can say.

[Angusthegod]

I figured it out..... The screw snapped.... Thats why it wouldnt reach. Now I have to buy a new set with money I do not have.

[Guest icantbuyafender]

the mounting screw on the back of the headstock snapped?

 

wow.

 

uhm.... I have done this only once... I swear..

 

take a small mini screw driver to a pawn shop and position yourself at the wall of beat up epiphones. discretely unscrew any needed hardware from a beat up epi. once you got what ya need play it cool and leave. I had to do this the first time I accidently had my hand on the back of my LP jr... It was after we played and we were hangin at table in a bar. my cigarette was lit and I had my hand resting on the back control cavity plate. I didn't even notice it till I got up to get another beer that I had burned a hole right through. haha oh man...

[brianh]

Try contacting Grover directly, they will probably send you a free replacement part: info@grotro.com

 

If that doesn't work, try your local guitar shop, the repair guy there may have some spares.

 

In the meantime, just put the broken nut back on temporarily to keep the peg aligned.

 

The good news is they're Grovers, so fairly common.

[RSDx]

the mounting screw on the back of the headstock snapped?

 

wow.

 

uhm.... I have done this only once... I swear..

 

take a small mini screw driver to a pawn shop and position yourself at the wall of beat up epiphones. discretely unscrew any needed hardware from a beat up epi. once you got what ya need play it cool and leave. I had to do this the first time I accidently had my hand on the back of my LP jr... It was after we played and we were hangin at table in a bar. my cigarette was lit and I had my hand resting on the back control cavity plate. I didn't even notice it till I got up to get another beer that I had burned a hole right through. haha oh man...

Ahhhh' date=' the 5 finger discount, eh ???

[animalfarm]

I figured it out..... The screw snapped.... Thats why it wouldnt reach. Now I have to buy a new set with money I do not have.

 

I came across this a bit late - you have to play TODAY?

Initially it sounds like the screw on the back of the headstock has

twisted off (easy to do, I've done it), but you mention having

to buy a new set of tuners...???? Is it the threaded bushing, or the

screw? By now you've probably chosen a solution, curious as to the

results.

BrianH is correct, local repair guy can possibly help you out - Grover

D Tips are quite common. Depending on how badly you need this

guitar, there are options if it's the screw on back, if its the bushing,

you'll have to either get replacement bushing or substitute another

tuner, fix additinal mounting holes LATER after you've played today.

Soooo.....

 

If Bushing:

Snag Tuner from another Git just to get back "on-line", install after

drilling Pilot Holes, fix holes later. (can go into more detail if needed).

 

If Screw:

Consider re-installing tuner, turn slightly "crooked" to place tuner

mounting hole on "fresh wood", drill pilot hole, install, fix extra hole later.

Will be "slightly" crooked, but if you've gotta play...

 

Drill out broken screw (Highly recommend Drill Press and an extra set of

hands). Grover screw is 1/16 wide and 3/8 long. They are a bit smaller than

a #4 screw, then reinstall tuner using a #4 screw. After Gig, fix larger hole

if desired, new pilot hole, correct size screw. I've filled in many headstock holes

with round toothpick and wood glue...

 

Depends on how badly you need this axe!

[Guest icantbuyafender]

I came across this a bit late - you have to play TODAY?

Initially it sounds like the screw on the back of the headstock has

twisted off (easy to do' date=' I've done it), but you mention having

to buy a new set of tuners...???? Is it the threaded bushing, or the

screw? By now you've probably chosen a solution, curious as to the

results.

BrianH is correct, local repair guy can possibly help you out - Grover

D Tips are quite common. Depending on how badly you need this

guitar, there are options if it's the screw on back, if its the bushing,

you'll have to either get replacement bushing or substitute another

tuner, fix additinal mounting holes LATER after you've played today.

Soooo.....

 

If Bushing:

Snag Tuner from another Git just to get back "on-line", install after

drilling Pilot Holes, fix holes later. (can go into more detail if needed).

 

If Screw:

Consider re-installing tuner, turn slightly "crooked" to place tuner

mounting hole on "fresh wood", drill pilot hole, install, fix extra hole later.

Will be "slightly" crooked, but if you've gotta play...

 

Drill out broken screw (Highly recommend Drill Press and an extra set of

hands). Grover screw is 1/16 wide and 3/8 long. They are a bit smaller than

a #4 screw, then reinstall tuner using a #4 screw. After Gig, fix larger hole

if desired, new pilot hole, correct size screw. I've filled in many headstock holes

with round toothpick and wood glue...

 

Depends on how badly you need this axe![/quote']

 

animalfarm, you have become quite the Mr. Fix-It as of late.

 

I still say my option is the fastest, CHEAPEST, and easiest... though it is the morally unsound solution.

 

(those guys dont watch the guitars, and they NEVER check the cameras.

Trade secret from a friend of mine who is a former pawn shop clerk ).

[animalfarm]

animalfarm' date=' you have become quite the Mr. Fix-It as of late.

 

I still say my option is the fastest, CHEAPEST, and easiest... though it is the morally unsound solution.

 

(those guys dont watch the guitars, and they NEVER check the cameras.

Trade secret from a friend of mine who is a former pawn shop clerk ).

[/quote']

 

HA! Do what you gotta do to get back up and running! I'd gladly put

a tuner on crooked/different tuner if it was a matter of "to play, or NOT

to play..."! Might even inadvertantly introduce Angus to the ADDICTION of

Modding Guitars!!!!

 

Morally Unsound, Hmmmm.... "Excuse me, Mr. Pawn Shop employee - How

much for this EPI with 5 Tuners?". The Contol Cavity story is funny,

haven't done that yet, but I used to stick my lit cigs under the strings on the

headstock while I was playing. Lucky I never burned the headstock, as I was

playing a GIBSON at that time. (Oh, boy - that WAS stupid!). Recently, I had to

make my own control cavity and toggle switch cover for my Hondo II - I used the

side of a black, plastic trash can as a substitute for the "real" material - I now have

two templates to use if I ever get off my duff and purchase the correct cover material...

[RSDx]

Might even inadvertantly introduce Angus to the ADDICTION of

Modding Guitars!!!!

 

uh-oh....and thus down the slippery slope toward modding amps, and life as you know it is forever changed, as I understand it.

[RobinTheHood]

Um, hey guys...Its a G-310. It doesnt have Grovers on it. It has standard die-cast tuners.

 

Aside from that, carry on...

[Angusthegod]

Its not the screw on the back, its the screw/bolt (both), hexagon shape, that has a hole through the middle to slide onto the machine head, on the face of the headstock. It is seperated from the wood with a washer....... Anyway, yes, they are NOT grovers...... But I will have to find a music store to steal a new set, because two of them are broken. And I need to be able to sell this guitar in a few weeks, and right now its all taken apart. I need the cash to buy a cherry red vintage G-400, which I am going to put two actual 57 classics in.

[Swoop]

So the tuner peg itself is broken? Can you post a pic?

 

Whatever it is, however it's broken, you can replace them easily. They're just a generic, economy type tuner, so you can replace them easily and inexpensively. I'm sure you can buy economy tuners like that individually, for just a few dollars each, but I can't seem to find any at the major online parts retailers. You can replace the whole set for just over $20US though, not expensive at all.

http://store.guitarfetish.com/3x3gosttuovb.html

 

I know you can buy those tuners individually here in NZ, you must be able to do the same in the US. They're only $6NZ, which is about $4US

http://www.guitarparts.co.nz/cart/Details.cfm?ProdID=1304&category=

[Angusthegod]

I have no idea if this will work:

 

 

http://i48.tinypic.com/2d2gawz.jpg

 

But thats whats broken, right in half.

[Angusthegod]

But since I'm going to have to replace them, I'm not going to settle for anything less than Gibson or Grover tuners, I'm really picky about quality. But since they're something like 50 bucks, I can find a cheaper way to attain them.

[animalfarm]

I've never had a threaded bushing break on me before... scary!

Do know that most stamped out/mass production tuners leave a bit

to be desired - have a set on a Stagg SG copy, look just like Gibson

Tulips, but quality is bad, too much slop. I disassembled each one,

and tightened as much up as possible when reassembling. Better

than when I started, but still...

Have you checked Guitarfetish? I've purchased several sets from them

for project gits, decent quality for a LOW price - this may help you avoid the

$50 set since you want to sell the 310 eventually.

 

Link:

 

http://store.guitarfetish.com/gisttonsi.html

[brianh]

Buy the G400, put those tuners on the 310, put locking Schallers, Grovers or Sperzals on the G400 and youze good to go....

[peeper]

I must say I'm not to keen on everyone telling this kid to go and STEAL something from a retail store to fix his guitar with.

1. It's wrong

2. He'll go to jail

3. Is it worth your life? Try stealing anything from me or my store and I will fill you full of holes. I'm sure I am not alone in this opinion. I am always loaded and about .5 seconds away from ending someones stealing career forever.

 

Just cough up the money, get a cheap set of tuners from GFS or something, and sell the guitar.

Next time be careful when tightening the bushings, you can break them as you know, as well as damage the finish on the headstock.

[Angusthegod]

****in psycho..... That **** is insured.... And the corporations and government needs all they can get! Although or entire economy is controlled by its system of credit, and our system of credit is completely controlled and corrupted by a 100% secret organization of greedy, unknown international bankers who don't give two shits about us and what we have...... I should respect them!