DeweyCox Posted February 27, 2011 Share Posted February 27, 2011 So, I'm thinking about swapping the pickups in my Sheraton II and I would like something which got a nice jangly tone to it. Want to play The Smiths and The Stone Roses style music. Is there any PAFstyle humbucker which would suffice? I've heard about GFS Retrotrons and Filtertronstyle pickups which appraently does the trick, but are there any other options? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigneil Posted February 27, 2011 Share Posted February 27, 2011 possibly p90 style pickups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tweed2 Posted February 27, 2011 Share Posted February 27, 2011 When somebody mentions "jangle" I think of Rickenbacker. Have you considered one of the hi-gain or toaster pickups? eBay usually has used ones or North Coast Music always has new ones. The hi-gains are stronger, but the toasters sound more vintage (and cost a little more, too). Or, you might just try a JangleBox pedal. The first generation models do a great job and I use one not only on my Ric 360-12, but my Strat and Casino. It even made my Ric sound more "jangley". Now that the JangleBox 2 is out, used first generation pedals are a little more plentiful. No changes to your guitar, if you don't like it, but you'll probably keep it anyway. If I could only have one pedal, this is it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeweyCox Posted February 27, 2011 Author Share Posted February 27, 2011 When somebody mentions "jangle" I think of Rickenbacker. Have you considered one of the hi-gain or toaster pickups? eBay usually has used ones or North Coast Music always has new ones. The hi-gains are stronger, but the toasters sound more vintage (and cost a little more, too). Or, you might just try a JangleBox pedal. The first generation models do a great job and I use one not only on my Ric 360-12, but my Strat and Casino. It even made my Ric sound more "jangley". Now that the JangleBox 2 is out, used first generation pedals are a little more plentiful. No changes to your guitar, if you don't like it, but you'll probably keep it anyway. If I could only have one pedal, this is it. I've considered getting a janglebox but I'm really in the mood for modding the guitar aswell, personalising it (if that is even a word). John Squire has a 1964 Country Gent a'la Harrison with a Supertron in neck position and a Filtertron in the bridge and I'm thinking about doing some hardcore modding of the guitar, new nut, bridge, tuners and a B7. I leke the sound of the trons, but I'm not sure about tje look on a Sheraton, so I'm thinking that there might be a more PAF looking bucker that sounds as good as a tron. If I can get nice jangle from a P90 I could go with that… Of course it needs to be buckersized… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeweyCox Posted February 27, 2011 Author Share Posted February 27, 2011 Would I be able o fit a Rickenbackerpickup in the Sheraton? Are they the same size? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadedepi Posted February 27, 2011 Share Posted February 27, 2011 Some GFS choices... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanH Posted February 27, 2011 Share Posted February 27, 2011 How about a slap back setting on an anlaogue delay pedal. I'm sure that will do more for you than any pickup swap. For Smiths tones an analogue delay +/- tremelo effects is essential, I would say. How about the Electro Harmonix Memory Boy pedal? Alan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matthewk Posted February 27, 2011 Share Posted February 27, 2011 I have bought some GFS Surf 90s for my Sheraton because I am sick of the humbucker mud. I've played decent humbuckers as well and eventually realised I just prefer single coils. I have zero free time at the moment but in a couple of weeks I plan to install them and get some comparisons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tweed2 Posted February 27, 2011 Share Posted February 27, 2011 Would I be able o fit a Rickenbackerpickup in the Sheraton? Are they the same size? I don't think that there would be an issue with enough room in the cutout. The Ric toaster pickups are 1 7/16" wide, 3 9/16" deep and 1/2" tall. The only things that stick below the base plate are the poles (around 3/8") and the wire of course. So I suppose the questions are, would that foot print cover a HB hole and is there enough clearance at the neck for one? Since I don't have any hi-gains around, I can't give you exact dims, but they aren't much different than the toasters, if memory serves me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigneil Posted February 27, 2011 Share Posted February 27, 2011 google some of your favourite artists and find out what sort of pickups and amplification they are using. Then report back and we can point you in the right direction for good prices on good quality pickups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pumpkinhead Posted February 27, 2011 Share Posted February 27, 2011 Want to play The Smiths and The Stone Roses style music. Is there any PAFstyle humbucker which would suffice? Johnny Marr always managed to "jangle", even with humbuckers. I think it's more about the whole package rather than just pickups. IIRC He used Gibson semis quite a lot and he sounds pretty jangly here on a Les Paul: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sck89sTS6jc I think it's more about using an amp that will stay clean at high volume. He's got a Roland Jazz Chorus and what looks like a Tweed Twin(?) onstage and I'd have thought either of those would fit the bill. He's using the in-between (i.e. both pickups on) setting, which is my favourite clean sound on a Les Paul. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanH Posted February 28, 2011 Share Posted February 28, 2011 This looks like a good link for the Stone Roses guitarist's rig: http://web.me.com/stephendavidson1974/The_Squire_Files/Home.html And here's one for Jonny Marr of the Smiths: http://www.uberproaudio.com/who-plays-what/610-modest-mouse-johnny-marr-guitar-rig-gear-and-equipment Seems to be a wide range of guits and gear for both. Alan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeweyCox Posted February 28, 2011 Author Share Posted February 28, 2011 Oh my god, very nice of you all to give me all this feedback, didn't think so many would have ideas. Maybe the key for some good old Manchesterstyle jangle is the Fender Super Reverb amp… I knew before that both Marr and Squire uses/used them (65's if I'm not mistaking). I just happen to now a man who owns a 64' Super Reverb (the man in question happens to be my father) and see what kind if jangle I can get out of it. I know the amp is awesome, but my father is strictly a bluesguy so he would never think of trying to get british janglepop from the late eighties out of it. I'll see what I can get out of the amp and if I still feel a need for replacing pickups I'll consider all your suggestions then. I really appreciate the input! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eor Posted March 1, 2011 Share Posted March 1, 2011 http://www.smithsonguitar.com/ http://johnny-marr.com/guitarchestrajohnnymarr/guitarchestrajohnnymarr.html these may help. and since i haven't seen them mentioned yet, consider the dream 180s or mini humbuckers, as well. i had the dreams in my old sheraton and they could do a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egosheep Posted March 1, 2011 Share Posted March 1, 2011 http://www.smithsonguitar.com/ Here is the gear section, specifically. http://www.smithsonguitar.com/2008/12/johnny-marrs-gear.html Johnny used 5 different Les Paul's with the Smiths, as well as several ES355's and 3 ES355/12's. So a humbucker isn't the problem. The key to his amp sound was 80% of the time either a Twin Reverb or a Roland JC120, or both, often with a Boss CE-2. For delay he used Korg SDD 1000, 2000 and 3000 rack units. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pumpkinhead Posted March 1, 2011 Share Posted March 1, 2011 Here is the gear section, specifically. http://www.smithsonguitar.com/2008/12/johnny-marrs-gear.html What a great site I've seen it before when I was looking for tab but I must have missed the gear section. At least with my boss BCB6 pedalboard I've got one of the pieces of gear that JM used I'll enjoy reading that properly when I get chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeweyCox Posted March 2, 2011 Author Share Posted March 2, 2011 Here is the gear section, specifically. http://www.smithsonguitar.com/2008/12/johnny-marrs-gear.html Johnny used 5 different Les Paul's with the Smiths, as well as several ES355's and 3 ES355/12's. So a humbucker isn't the problem. The key to his amp sound was 80% of the time either a Twin Reverb or a Roland JC120, or both, often with a Boss CE-2. For delay he used Korg SDD 1000, 2000 and 3000 rack units. I know the humbucker isn't all the sound but the reason I'm asking is that's what I'm aiming for and I'm more or less going to switch out the pickup anyway. Hearing people talking about filtertrons being the jangliest humbucker made me want to see if there was any other opinions. Thanks for the info though, smithsonguitar is a great site, been reading it through several times. The only sthing that confuses me on the site is that they call it a 355/12. For what I know the only ES 12string Gibson ever made was a 335 which happens to look exactly like the guitar pictured on the site. Do they think it is a 355 because of the headstockinlay (which is not a split diamond like it would on a normal 355), an inlay which only (that I know) appears on the Non-Revesre Firebird/12 of the same era, the late sixties with it's twelvestring boom started thanks to Rickenbacker 12's and their janlge. Phew! Long sentence, sorry for the rant, which is only based on what I've always thought. Anyone else? Of course Rickenbacker couldn't have created such a boom without The Beatles so I won't forget to mention them and say good bless them for that aswell, amongst all the other things they should be blessed for… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egosheep Posted March 3, 2011 Share Posted March 3, 2011 The only sthing that confuses me on the site is that they call it a 355/12. For what I know the only ES 12string Gibson ever made was a 335 which happens to look exactly like the guitar pictured on the site. Do they think it is a 355 because of the headstockinlay (which is not a split diamond like it would on a normal 355), an inlay which only (that I know) appears on the Non-Revesre Firebird/12 of the same era, the late sixties with it's twelvestring boom started thanks to Rickenbacker 12's and their janlge. Phew! Long sentence, sorry for the rant, which is only based on what I've always thought. Anyone else? Hi Dewey, thanks for pointing that out. I changed it to 335/12. I had put 355/12 because Johnny called them 355's in several interviews. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeweyCox Posted March 3, 2011 Author Share Posted March 3, 2011 egosheep it was really nothing! It's a great site and I go on it from time to time and read it through to see if there's any new info up or sometimes just beacause it's a good read. As a Smithsfan and guitargeek it's become my favourite Smithsrelated page on the web. If something I had started thinking that I was the one who was wrong so I'm very happy to have contributed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarpBoy Posted March 4, 2011 Share Posted March 4, 2011 I've considered getting a janglebox but I'm really in the mood for modding the guitar aswell, personalising it (if that is even a word). John Squire has a 1964 Country Gent a'la Harrison with a Supertron in neck position and a Filtertron in the bridge and I'm thinking about doing some hardcore modding of the guitar, new nut, bridge, tuners and a B7. I leke the sound of the trons, but I'm not sure about tje look on a Sheraton, so I'm thinking that there might be a more PAF looking bucker that sounds as good as a tron. If I can get nice jangle from a P90 I could go with that… Of course it needs to be buckersized… I was also going to suggest a Janglebox, which I've had for a number of years. I also have a Valensi Riviera which has Gibson P94s installed. They are pretty sweet pickups taking you more in the direction you're looking towards, I think. In fact, when I put my Riviera through my Janglebox, you'd think Jim McGuinn was in the room (Well, sort of, anyway....) Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tweed2 Posted March 4, 2011 Share Posted March 4, 2011 I was also going to suggest a Janglebox, which I've had for a number of years. I also have a Valensi Riviera which has Gibson P94s installed. They are pretty sweet pickups taking you more in the direction you're looking towards, I think. In fact, when I put my Riviera through my Janglebox, you'd think Jim McGuinn was in the room (Well, sort of, anyway....) Cheers My Ric didn't even get up to it's full potential until I got mine. The beauty of it is any guitar I've ever heard played through one sounds better. It isn't going to make a Strat sound like a 12 string, but it'll make it sound much more Ric-like. If I could only have one pedal, this would be it. But that's another thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeweyCox Posted March 4, 2011 Author Share Posted March 4, 2011 I'm getting a Janglebox then, been on their webpage and they do sound awesome! Gonna see if I can find one around here somewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amx05462 Posted March 4, 2011 Share Posted March 4, 2011 the rickenbacker pickups usually sit on top of the body. so they are too high. if you want to use them youll have to alter the pickup hole. they are longer than humbuckers and not as wide so youll also have to make a pickup ring for them. not a big project but do you want to alter the guitar that much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stein Posted March 4, 2011 Share Posted March 4, 2011 i am surprise no one has mentioned out-of-phase settings and series settings. if you want to mod your guitar, this is a great way to learn without spending bucks on a pickup yet. also, make sure your pickups are not to close to the strings-back them off quite a bit to allow them to breath, to jangle you don't want that type of compression. also, try settings with the volume rolled back a bit. try it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egosheep Posted March 4, 2011 Share Posted March 4, 2011 egosheep it was really nothing! It's a great site and I go on it from time to time and read it through to see if there's any new info up or sometimes just beacause it's a good read. As a Smithsfan and guitargeek it's become my favourite Smithsrelated page on the web. If something I had started thinking that I was the one who was wrong so I'm very happy to have contributed I'm happy to get it corrected... I don't really know why I never noticed that the 355/12 is not a model! I should have seen those small inlays and known right away. So thanks again for letting me know, I am always happy to make improvements to the site. Johnny is apparently revamping his site in a week or two... should be some cool revelations there! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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