Casino4Life Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 I've been having issues with the input jack on my Casino falling into the guitar from the nut vibrating loose. Anybody know of any remedies to prevent this, locking washer/nut? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tweed2 Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 I've been having issues with the input jack on my Casino falling into the guitar from the nut vibrating loose. Anybody know of any remedies to prevent this, locking washer/nut? I would use a dab (it doesn't take much) of Loctite thread lock, available at auto supply houses. Good stuff to have a around. Get the blue,, it will break loose with a little effort. The red, not so easy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casino4Life Posted December 2, 2012 Author Share Posted December 2, 2012 Thanks tweed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitmore Willy Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 I'm with Tweed on the Loctite. Additionally, you can cut an Allen wrench short so it will fit into the jack opening. Leave enough so that you can stop the jack from turning. Hold the long end with a set of pliers while tightening the nut with a wrench. Also, if you want to spend the cash, Stewmac does make a tool specifically for that: http://www.stewmac.com/shop/Tools/Special_tools_for_Electronics,_pickups/Bullet_Guitar_Jack_Tightener.html?actn=100101&xst=3&xsr=34759 Unfortunately, it is imperial. You would have to change your jack to a Switchcraft. Willy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dennis G Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 I'm with Tweed on the Loctite. Additionally, you can cut an Allen wrench short so it will fit into the jack opening. Leave enough so that you can stop the jack from turning. Hold the long end with a set of pliers while tightening the nut with a wrench. Willy Add me to the blue loctite group. Also to Willy's point, Amazon has a similar tool and less expensive. I've hinted to Santa that this would be a good stocking stuffer. http://www.amazon.com/JackTight-Electric-Guitar-Output-Repair/dp/B0062OJV0I/ref=sr_1_18?ie=UTF8&qid=1354490282&sr=8-18&keywords=guitar+tools Willy, any photo's of the Allen wrench setup? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casino4Life Posted December 2, 2012 Author Share Posted December 2, 2012 Thanks guys! Ill try the loc tite first, a small dab? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dennis G Posted December 3, 2012 Share Posted December 3, 2012 a small dab? Yep. I'd say just enough to put a thin film of Loctite on the parts. I'd use a toothpick or Q tip. Maybe dab about an 1/8" drop on some wax paper or foil then spread it on the applicable parts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casino4Life Posted December 3, 2012 Author Share Posted December 3, 2012 Ill give it a shot thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casino4Life Posted December 3, 2012 Author Share Posted December 3, 2012 Yea you know I'm leaning towards a Switchcraft, I'm tired of fixing it all the time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitmore Willy Posted December 3, 2012 Share Posted December 3, 2012 Yea you know I'm leaning towards a Switchcraft, I'm tired of fixing it all the time Probably the best move you can make. In addition, it will allow you to use the stock tool if you decide to purchase one. Willy, any photo's of the Allen wrench setup? Sure... Ain't rocket science and I only need it on semi-hollows. I use a Dremel to cut a 5/64" allen just a bit long so it will fit into the jack opening on an angle: (You can also grind it down) I push it inside on an angle. I then spin it counter clockwise on the inside of the jack 'till I contact a soldering lug. Keep it close to the inside lip. You don't want to snag the wires: Holding it (on an angle) with a pair of pliers, I can then pull it to me, hold it secure and keep it from spinning: Willy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brad1 Posted December 3, 2012 Share Posted December 3, 2012 Great pics and explanation Willy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dennis G Posted December 3, 2012 Share Posted December 3, 2012 Great pics and explanation Willy. +1. Many thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casino4Life Posted December 3, 2012 Author Share Posted December 3, 2012 +1. Thanks Willy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxman Posted December 4, 2012 Share Posted December 4, 2012 Just buy a String Swing Guitar Jack tool. I bought mine a few years ago, about $15. The tool is a must for anyone with more than one guitar. Jacks always slip loose from time to time. With this ingenious, easy to use tool, you just tighten them up and they stay tight forever. So worth it to own. Get a hint of loosening up, out comes my String Swing tool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casino4Life Posted December 4, 2012 Author Share Posted December 4, 2012 Taxman! Good to hear from ya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dennis G Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 When you get tired of futzing around with it, replace it with a Switchcraft jack, which will stay put like it's supposed to. You'll also notice how the plug fits more snugly, due to the better grade of metal used on the contact "springy" things. I did just that to my Wildkat a couple of months ago when the factory switch "went south". To be honest, for the difference in cost, I don't know why Epi just doesn't use Switchcraft instead anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greybeard Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 fifty cents multiplied by a million guitars equals half a million dollars..... (or something along those lines) I'm not saying it's right, or that I agree with it. I had jack problems with my new ES-345 immediately after buying it and changed it over to a Switchcraft. No more problems with the jack now. I'd pay an extra fifty cents for the guitar if thats all it took to avoid screwing around fishing a bad jack out of a semi-hollowbody. By the way, if you don't change the jack, be careful that you don't tighten it too tight. You can pull the jack apart if you over torque it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greybeard Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 Greybeard, it's not about pricing, per se; it's about maximizing profit. They would get the same profit if they just priced the guitar based on the quality of the jack that they put in. If it cost them an extra fifty cents for the jack and they priced the guitar fifty cents more, their profit would be the same and the customer would never notice the difference. They would also avoid a lot of negative comments from peope who had troubles with their cheap jacks. When I took the old failed jack out of my brand new ES-345, my impression was that it was beyond a doubt the cheapest looking jack that I had ever seen in over fifty years of guitar playing. After you pay for a brand new guitar and a simple part like the input jack fails after the third time you plug it in, you start to wonder about the quality of the rest of the parts in there. One thing I learned a long time ago from the president of a large electronics company is that a happy customer will tell three people about a product they bought but an unhappy customer will tell twelve people. With the availability of forums like this that apply to just about every product on the market, a company puts their reputation at risk by having early failures of cheap parts. It seems me that it is a bad bet to risk your reputation over a part that cost you a dollar when you know that the part is exercised every time the customer picks up the guitar. What good does it do to maximize your profit on a cheap part if it causes your company any trouble at all in customer issues? Any type of warranty repair on this type of part would cost the company a hundred times what the part was worth in labor cost alone. Somebody in management should wake up and think about this. How many people read this forum every day? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dennis G Posted December 7, 2012 Share Posted December 7, 2012 One thing I learned a long time ago from the president of a large electronics company is that a happy customer will tell three people about a product they bought but an unhappy customer will tell twelve people. With the availability of forums like this that apply to just about every product on the market, a company puts their reputation at risk by having early failures of cheap parts. It seems me that it is a bad bet to risk your reputation over a part that cost you a dollar when you know that the part is exercised every time the customer picks up the guitar. What good does it do to maximize your profit on a cheap part if it causes your company any trouble at all in customer issues? Any type of warranty repair on this type of part would cost the company a hundred times what the part was worth in labor cost alone. Somebody in management should wake up and think about this. How many people read this forum every day? I'm right there with you. It's not like we're talking about a $100 pickup or anything here. It's a friggin' switch! If you read any forum about Epi's you'll get one consistent theme: "Pot's, cap's, switch's are pfffffffffffffft. Change ASAP" BUT, since I mentioned pickups, the bridge p/u on my Wildkat died after one year. Rather than go the warranty route, I opted to change both out for Lollar P90's. Why? Epi's reputation (don't get me wrong, I really, really love my Epi's), but they could be sooooo much better for sooooo little more coin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greybeard Posted December 7, 2012 Share Posted December 7, 2012 Alas, some people don't understand the idiotic, but VERY common thinking of corporate America (and other places, as well) - it's as simple as this: if the ink on the bottom line is black, then they're doing it right. I've heard that old adage about unhappy customers, too, but it's meaningless to large corporations' strategies, which are largely driven by bean counters, not by customer satisfaction departments (if they even have such a thing), and logic, such as posited earlier, has little to do with it. Personally, I also like to buy from companies with genuine integrity, but they're few and far between. I challenge anyone to name a large corporation (at least as big as Gibson) that consistently demonstrates such integrity. BTW, I'd hazard a guess that a very small percentage of Gibson customers visit this forum. I don't have an arguement against the fact that large corporations are profit driven Joe. The point is that even large corporations can be influenced to change if they think that the profit is at stake. So far this post has had 322 views in the short time it has been up. So the point I was making about an unhappy customer telling twelve people is indeed obsolete because of this forum. Now 322 people have seen this conversation and perhaps will consider this when making their next purchase. When the ink isn't quite as black, or the factory inventory starts to rise, a company has to notice and wonder what is going on. This is the beauty of the internet forums. If there are 322 customers unhappy about some issue with no one to complain to but the company, then the company has complete control of the situation. But, if there are 322 unhappy customers with visibility to the world, the company now has no control and has deal with the complaint in a way that protects the black ink at the bottom. What if those 322 people have influence on others that buy guitars and pass what they have learned here to all of those people? Yep, that is a small percentage of Gibson customers. But I have to believe that Gibson is still interested in selling them guitars. Some of these topics have thousands of views so I have to think that there are a significant number of Gibson/Epiphone customers on this forum that can see any of these topics. The beauty of the viewership here is that all of these people are interested in guitars and are potential buyers. The company can see their specific customer base getting more and more visibility into the problems they have. That is what I meant by betting your reputation on a cheap part. If I tell a friend who's main interest is motorcycles about a problem I have with my guitar, he'll nod and forget about it. But if that problem finds its way to this forum, where guitars are the main topic of interest, its a much different story. If you notice the upper left hand corner of this forum says Gibson Prestige, Quality and Innovation. I'm a pretty new member, but I have the impression that someone at Gibson or Epiphone is monitoring this forum and watching out for problems that could have an effect on their good name......and bottom line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casino4Life Posted December 9, 2012 Author Share Posted December 9, 2012 Lottie worked! Will probably put a Switchcraft in down the road Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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