davenumber2 Posted June 2, 2013 Share Posted June 2, 2013 That hog top LG-1 gets the GAS juices flowing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triumph1050 Posted June 2, 2013 Share Posted June 2, 2013 Man... thats some awesome candy there... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triumph1050 Posted June 2, 2013 Share Posted June 2, 2013 I am really loving what I am seeing, hearing and playing from Gibson in 2013.... they are clearly stepping up their whole game. Ditto that... Im just loving my new reissue. Adj bridge and all this things tone is milk chocolate. Can hardly put it down and when I do cant stop staring at it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jt Posted June 2, 2013 Share Posted June 2, 2013 That hog top LG-1 gets the GAS juices flowing. It's one of my all time favorite guitars. Like all first year Banners, it featured a fancy rosette and 4 plies of purfling (2 plies on back). X-braced, of course. 138 shipped in 1943 and 1 shipped in 1944. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davenumber2 Posted June 2, 2013 Share Posted June 2, 2013 It's one of my all time favorite guitars. Like all first year Banners, it featured a fancy rosette and 4 plies of purfling (2 plies on back). X-braced, of course. 138 shipped in 1943 and 1 shipped in 1944. Do they all have the dark stained top? I believe yours is the only one I've seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triumph1050 Posted June 2, 2013 Share Posted June 2, 2013 So please clarify for me I'm sorry I'm a little slow... are you saving that this dark mahogany topped LG is going to be produced soon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jt Posted June 2, 2013 Share Posted June 2, 2013 Do they all have the dark stained top? I believe yours is the only one I've seen. Yes, the LG-1 had this beautiful, brown finish. I've only seen one other, which doesn't surprise me with only 139 ever having been made. So please clarify for me I'm sorry I'm a little slow... are you saving that this dark mahogany topped LG is going to be produced soon? Yes, that's the plan. I write "plan" because we're a bit behind schedule and I know that the world of guitars and commerce can change. I don't know of a detailed schedule but will keeps folks apprised as best I can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triumph1050 Posted June 2, 2013 Share Posted June 2, 2013 Great!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jt Posted June 2, 2013 Share Posted June 2, 2013 Great!! The Banner LG-1 may be my all time favorite guitar. I received it from the nephew of the original owner. At the time, no one knew that there was such a thing as a Banner LG-1. Because it was X-braced and not sunburst, I figured that it was an LG-3. Some months later, when I'd finally gotten access to the WWII shipping ledgers, I was the person who discovered the existence of the Banner LG-1. It's my favorite kind of vintage guitar: exceedingly rare, but not expensive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blindboygrunt Posted June 2, 2013 Share Posted June 2, 2013 It's my favorite kind of vintage guitar: exceedingly rare, but not expensive. i hope the reissue has that as a tagline!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triumph1050 Posted June 2, 2013 Share Posted June 2, 2013 That's awesome... This is one of the reasons I love Gibsons so much... the history Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JuanCarlosVejar Posted June 3, 2013 Share Posted June 3, 2013 John , what's the story behind the maple J 45 how did you find that one? can you upload a picture of the back ? also the black tuners on the 42 J 45 are replacements right ? JC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jt Posted June 3, 2013 Share Posted June 3, 2013 John , what's the story behind the maple J 45 how did you find that one? can you upload a picture of the back ? As usual, the guitars and their owners found me. I had four maple Banners during the sessions. I chose to record my favorite. I'll upload a pic of the back. also the black tuners on the 42 J 45 are replacements right ? The tuners are original, as best I can tell. During the Banner years, Gibson tended to use white (more frequently) and black tuners at random. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hogeye Posted June 3, 2013 Share Posted June 3, 2013 As usual, the guitars and their owners found me. I had four maple Banners during the sessions. I chose to record my favorite. I'll upload a pic of the back. The tuners are original, as best I can tell. During the Banner years, Gibson tended to use white (more frequently) and black tuners at random. Did you chose the J-45 for the reissue? I'm a bit surprised as there is already a '42 /45 "Legend" reissue and strange as it seems it is also an exact replica of a guitar owned by a Gibson historian.Since there is no one at Gibson that would remember that they made a Legend maybe they just don't know they already did a '42 reissue? I have several J-45's. A Walnut. One all Koa. A Rosewood as well as several mahogany but I don't have a Maple. I would have hoped that the Maple version would have been the guitar they decided to reproduce. Is it just me or are the Gibson reissues repeating themselves so to speak? From a marketing point of view I would think that the Maple would have made more sense? I would have bought one. Am I missing something here? I will be at the Homecoming and hope to play your guitar and the reissue. That should be a lot of fun as I got to play Eldon's guitar and the Legend reissue and they were both great guitars. Have you had a chance to play a "Legend"? Do you think there is that much difference between two J-45's from the same year? I believe RAR has a Legend. It would really be fun to compare it to the "New" reissue. RAR also has a very nice original Banner. I will bring my '43 and we can play them all. How about it Bob can you bring your guitars? I'm sure Mike will bring his Legend as well. Should be quite a shoot out. I'll buy drinks for the winner. Maybe a impartial third party from Music Villa can play them and be the judge? Anybody Game? Won't be long now so I'd better change some strings and get ready. The Gibsons are comin' home..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red 333 Posted June 3, 2013 Author Share Posted June 3, 2013 Did you chose the J-45 for the reissue? I'm a bit surprised as there is already a '42 /45 "Legend" reissue and strange as it seems it is also an exact replica of a guitar owned by a Gibson historian.Since there is no one at Gibson that would remember that they made a Legend maybe they just don't know they already did a '42 reissue? Hogeye, to the best of your knowledge, will new LE '42 J-45 Banner be built with all hide glue, like the Legend, or top and neck joint only, like the True Vintage? It doesn't seem like it comes with the Legend's price tag, so I'm curious as to the differences in specs. I too, would look forward to a maple J-45 Banner Reissue, so I hope the project gets that far. I have one of the short-scale maple AJ's, 'cause that was the closest thing available at the time, but would think hard about a maple J-45. How can the present management in Bozeman not know they built the Legend? Don and the other product specialist guys are still there, no? I remember when the Legend was first issued, Jeremy Fuller told me he wished Gibson would let them sell for $3K, so maybe Gibson has reevaluated the marketplace and chosen a friendlier target price. Red 333 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry K Posted June 3, 2013 Share Posted June 3, 2013 It would be interesting to know how precise this replica is. For example, have they created a new bracing pattern following this vintage instrument or are they using existing bracing, such as the one used on the Legend? The Legends replicated the vintage instrument in considerable detail. How about this limited edition? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-1854Me Posted June 3, 2013 Share Posted June 3, 2013 Hogeye, to the best of your knowledge, will new LE '42 J-45 Banner be built with all hide glue, like the Legend, or top and neck joint only, like the True Vintage? It doesn't seem like it comes with the Legend's price tag, so I'm curious as to the differences in specs. I too, would look forward to a maple J-45 Banner Reissue, so I hope the project gets that far. I have one of the short-scale maple AJ's, 'cause that was the closest thing available at the time, but would think hard about a maple J-45. How can the present management in Bozeman not know they built the Legend? Don and the other product specialist guys are still there, no? I remember when the Legend was first issued, Jeremy Fuller told me he wished Gibson would let them sell for $3K, so maybe Gibson has reevaluated the marketplace and chosen a friendlier target price. Red 333 Guys -- if I read John Thomas' post (above) correctly, my impression was that the intent was to re-issue a maple J-45 too....(?). As I understand it, all the maple-bodied guitars of the war era were built with laminated backs and sides -- I wonder if Gibson will 'improve' them with solid back and sides? Fred PS -- here is one of the "Legend J-45" models: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rar Posted June 3, 2013 Share Posted June 3, 2013 I believe RAR has a Legend. It would really be fun to compare it to the "New" reissue. RAR also has a very nice original Banner. I will bring my '43 and we can play them all. How about it Bob can you bring your guitars? It will depend on how big the SUV we're renting turns out to be, Already on the list are my two new acquisitions since last year -- the '90 J-200 and the '35 Jumbo -- the Banner J-45, and maybe the '35 RSSD. Anne's bringing up two (since a Gibsonless lefty friend of ours will be attending), and we're bringing one for a friend who's flying. So the Legend J-45 would make eight, which is a nice round number now that I think about it. We might need you to come over and help us unload, though :) -- Bob R Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guitarstrummer Posted June 3, 2013 Share Posted June 3, 2013 Did you chose the J-45 for the reissue? I'm a bit surprised as there is already a '42 /45 "Legend" reissue and strange as it seems it is also an exact replica of a guitar owned by a Gibson historian.Since there is no one at Gibson that would remember that they made a Legend maybe they just don't know they already did a '42 reissue? I have several J-45's. A Walnut. One all Koa. A Rosewood as well as several mahogany but I don't have a Maple. I would have hoped that the Maple version would have been the guitar they decided to reproduce. Is it just me or are the Gibson reissues repeating themselves so to speak? From a marketing point of view I would think that the Maple would have made more sense? I would have bought one. Am I missing something here? I will be at the Homecoming and hope to play your guitar and the reissue. That should be a lot of fun as I got to play Eldon's guitar and the Legend reissue and they were both great guitars. Have you had a chance to play a "Legend"? Do you think there is that much difference between two J-45's from the same year? I believe RAR has a Legend. It would really be fun to compare it to the "New" reissue. RAR also has a very nice original Banner. I will bring my '43 and we can play them all. How about it Bob can you bring your guitars? I'm sure Mike will bring his Legend as well. Should be quite a shoot out. I'll buy drinks for the winner. Maybe a impartial third party from Music Villa can play them and be the judge? Anybody Game? Won't be long now so I'd better change some strings and get ready. The Gibsons are comin' home..... I am bringing my Legend this year. I'm also having Marcus do a setup on it, so it should be in prime form. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guitarstrummer Posted June 3, 2013 Share Posted June 3, 2013 Guys -- if I read John Thomas' post (above) correctly, my impression was that the intent was to re-issue a maple J-45 too....(?). As I understand it, all the maple-bodied guitars of the war era were built with laminated backs and sides -- I wonder if Gibson will 'improve' them with solid back and sides? Fred PS -- here is one of the "Legend J-45" models: Fred, if they recreate the maple with solid back and sides, it wouldn't make much sense to call it a receation, would it, if the originals were laminated? I know it would be an improvement but it wouldn't be a true recreation. Also, do you know when that Legend J-45 was produced? My burst seems darker and I also noticed that the case in your picture didn't look like a red lined case like the Legends should have. Also, my original bridge pins are black. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jt Posted June 3, 2013 Share Posted June 3, 2013 Did you chose the J-45 for the reissue? I'm a bit surprised as there is already a '42 /45 "Legend" reissue and strange as it seems it is also an exact replica of a guitar owned by a Gibson historian.Since there is no one at Gibson that would remember that they made a Legend maybe they just don't know they already did a '42 reissue? I have several J-45's. A Walnut. One all Koa. A Rosewood as well as several mahogany but I don't have a Maple. I would have hoped that the Maple version would have been the guitar they decided to reproduce. Is it just me or are the Gibson reissues repeating themselves so to speak? From a marketing point of view I would think that the Maple would have made more sense? I would have bought one. Am I missing something here? I will be at the Homecoming and hope to play your guitar and the reissue. That should be a lot of fun as I got to play Eldon's guitar and the Legend reissue and they were both great guitars. Have you had a chance to play a "Legend"? Do you think there is that much difference between two J-45's from the same year? I believe RAR has a Legend. It would really be fun to compare it to the "New" reissue. RAR also has a very nice original Banner. I will bring my '43 and we can play them all. How about it Bob can you bring your guitars? I'm sure Mike will bring his Legend as well. Should be quite a shoot out. I'll buy drinks for the winner. Maybe a impartial third party from Music Villa can play them and be the judge? Anybody Game? Won't be long now so I'd better change some strings and get ready. The Gibsons are comin' home..... Hogeye, I chose the 4 guitars for reissue but had no role in choosing which would be produced first. I do know of the Legend, which purports to be a replica of a 1942 J-45 but it's got the 3 ply rosette rather than the proper-for-1942 7 ply rosette. I assume that the folks in Bozeman decided that a proper 1942 J-45 reissue was worth pursuing. I don't know whether Gibson intends the maple J-45 to be solid maple or laminated. Of course, laminated would be accurate but I'm sure that Gibson has to assess whether the market will react positively to a laminated guitar. As for bringing the guitars to Homecoming, only the SJ and lG-1 are mine. The 2 J-45s were lent to me, first for the recording sessions and then to loan to Gibson for replication. I won't have them available to bring to the Homecoming. I'll be bringing my went-to-the-war SJ: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gov Posted June 3, 2013 Share Posted June 3, 2013 Hogeye, I chose the 4 guitars for reissue but had no role in choosing which would be produced first. I do know of the Legend, which purports to be a replica of a 1942 J-45 but it's got the 3 ply rosette rather than the proper-for-1942 7 ply rosette. I assume that the folks in Bozeman decided that a proper 1942 J-45 reissue was worth pursuing. I don't know whether Gibson intends the maple J-45 to be solid maple or laminated. Of course, laminated would be accurate but I'm sure that Gibson has to assess whether the market will react positively to a laminated guitar. As for bringing the guitars to Homecoming, only the SJ and lG-1 are mine. The 2 J-45s were lent to me, first for the recording sessions and then to loan to Gibson for replication. I won't have them available to bring to the Homecoming. I'll be bringing my went-to-the-war SJ: Now THAT guitar has some mojo. Do you know the story of it's owner? Assuming the guitar was essential to the GI's deployment. Can't imagine they would allow a front lines guy to haul that around Europe/Asia/Africa with him otherwise. That is just one awesome guitar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bram99 Posted June 3, 2013 Share Posted June 3, 2013 Yes, the LG-1 had this beautiful, brown finish. I've only seen one other, which doesn't surprise me with only 139 ever having been made. Yes, that's the plan. I write "plan" because we're a bit behind schedule and I know that the world of guitars and commerce can change. I don't know of a detailed schedule but will keeps folks apprised as best I can. I need to have me one of those mahogany top LG-1s.... what an awesome project jt! It must feel pretty gratifying to rediscover this model, have it be one of, if not your favorite, and then see it reproduced and know that others will be able to experience something similar with the reproduction. Do you have any idea of the scale of production for these? How hard will they be to get? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-1854Me Posted June 3, 2013 Share Posted June 3, 2013 Fred, if they recreate the maple with solid back and sides, it wouldn't make much sense to call it a receation, would it, if the originals were laminated? I know it would be an improvement but it wouldn't be a true recreation. Also, do you know when that Legend J-45 was produced? My burst seems darker and I also noticed that the case in your picture didn't look like a red lined case like the Legends should have. Also, my original bridge pins are black. Hi Mike That Legend photo was snapped back at the 2006 Homecoming, so it's an early one. And, yes, I know that the use of solid sides and back would not make it consistent with a recreation, when laminate sides and back were used on the originals. Which is why I mention it. The same attention to detail and 'exacting specs' were applied in previous reissues of various models, including the 1994 "maple Hummingbird" re-issue (of the vaunted 1962 Hummingbird), many of the Doves, and so on. The "getting the details right" aspect has not been particularly Gibson's strong suit, in many cases. (I guess I should say "in many instances"...... ) Fred Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hogeye Posted June 3, 2013 Share Posted June 3, 2013 Hogeye, to the best of your knowledge, will new LE '42 J-45 Banner be built with all hide glue, like the Legend, or top and neck joint only, like the True Vintage? It doesn't seem like it comes with the Legend's price tag, so I'm curious as to the differences in specs. I too, would look forward to a maple J-45 Banner Reissue, so I hope the project gets that far. I have one of the short-scale maple AJ's, 'cause that was the closest thing available at the time, but would think hard about a maple J-45. How can the present management in Bozeman not know they built the Legend? Don and the other product specialist guys are still there, no? I remember when the Legend was first issued, Jeremy Fuller told me he wished Gibson would let them sell for $3K, so maybe Gibson has reevaluated the marketplace and chosen a friendlier target price. Red 333 I'm not sure what the specs are on the latest reissue. J.T. would be the guy to ask. All of the folks that were working for Gibson at the time are all gone. Ren,Robi,Eric Klotz just to name a few. Don may have been working there at the time but I seem to think he was in the purchasing dept. Lots of changes. Just so you know I was trying to be just a little snarky.I just miss the good old days and the folks that brought us all the great guitars. The "new " folks are fine and they are trying to get up to speed. With J.T's help they will make it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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