Paincakes Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 I went to my local Guitar Center today, and ran into what appears to be a store-exclusive model, the "Standard Traditional Pro II". Per sticker: Solid mahogany body with carved maple top Set mahogany neck with bound rosewood fingerboard Burstbucker III bridge humbucker, 57 Classic neck humbucker Push/pull coil-splitting, 3-way toggle pickup selector "Solid mahogany body", would that mean no weight relief? I'm no expert (today was my 1st time playing Les Pauls lol), but the neck felt 60's-ish? Definitely thinner than the 2014 Traditional. My Google-fu can't seem to come-up with any additional info on this specific model. I kinda dug it though :) Does anyone have any links to detailed specs? Cheers! EDIT: I'm starting to think their sticker is simply mislabeled. Perhaps this is just a "Traditional Pro II" (without the "Standard")? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pwrmac7600 Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 I went to my local Guitar Center today, and ran into what appears to be a store-exclusive model, the "Standard Traditional Pro II". Per sticker: Solid mahogany body with carved maple top Set mahogany neck with bound rosewood fingerboard Burstbucker III bridge humbucker, 57 Classic neck humbucker Push/pull coil-splitting, 3-way toggle pickup selector "Solid mahogany body", would that mean no weight relief? I'm no expert (today was my 1st time playing Les Pauls lol), but the neck felt 60's-ish? Definitely thinner than the 2014 Traditional. My Google-fu can't seem to come-up with any additional info on this specific model. I kinda dug it though :) Does anyone have any links to detailed specs? Cheers! EDIT: I'm starting to think their sticker is simply mislabeled. Perhaps this is just a "Traditional Pro II" (without the "Standard")? I just recently purchased 2 of these, I can tell you all about them. They are Traditionally weight relieved Mahogany bodies. rosewood boards, the pickups are a Super 57 and a 57 classic, despite what the tag says. I know because i had an issue with them and had them replace mine with a Burstbucker 3 since the tag said Burstbucker 3. That one is a 60's neck, but they do make a 50's neck as well, but in different finishes. The only specs out there are for the original Traditional Pro model. and that is why the hang tags have incorrect info on them, Gibson has not updated the specs to read what the Traditional pro II model is. I contacted Gibson Directly, and what they told me, is traditional weight relief, super 57, and 57 classic, my models are slim 60's necks, with true coil splitting via push/push pots. and a adjustable 10db boost via a push/push pot. I own 2 of them, one in that same finish, Vintage sunburst, and one in Champagne. I love them, they are amazing guitars. especially for the price. I love the satin finish on the neck. and the locking tuners, and the weight is pretty much right on with my 2000 LP Standard. Here are Mine. I have swapped out the knobs now for speed knobs, swapped out the bridge pickup for BB3, and just added Tusq nuts, graphtech saddles, and tonepros locking nashville bridge, and tonepros locking tailpiece studs to mine. They really are great playing guitars, just be sure to really check over the entire guitar, because when I purchased mine, I did come across one or two that had some sloppy binding issues, and fret work. These are the specs of the original trad pro, but these haven't been updated to reflect the newer trad pro II's updated features. http://www2.gibson.com/Products/Electric-Guitars/Les-Paul/Gibson-USA/Les-Paul-Traditional-Pro.aspx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paincakes Posted August 10, 2014 Author Share Posted August 10, 2014 Thanks pwrmac7600! I figured the tag was inaccurate as far as the name of the guitar, and pickups as well. If you don't mind, I was wondering if you could answer a few questions about this model. Gimmicks aside, how does it compare to your 2000 LP Standard (build quality, etc)? Did they have to cut any corners to lower the price? How does the Burstbucker 3 compare to the Super 57? Did GC foot the bill for the swap? How is the boost working out for you? I'm hesitant about having a guitar that requires a battery (though I read that the boost simply became a Kill Switch once the battery dies). You swapped out a lot of hardware. Did you have tuning stability issues with the stock hardware? MF has a model with an exclusive Ice Tea finish, but the colors on their website appear super-saturated. Wish I could see that finish in-person or with better pics! Edit: Found some in this thread. Sadly I'm not a fan of the flame, and the plain top version has a 50's neck... so close to perfection (for me, it's all subjective)! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabs Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 REAL nice guitar.. and yes it means full solid body Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cjsinla Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 REAL nice guitar.. and yes it means full solid body Are you positive? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pin Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 Are you positive? I am sure there are threads on here about Traditionals which make the point that they are not weight relieved but solid all the way through. I am sure I have read several Pippy posts where he makes the point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paincakes Posted August 10, 2014 Author Share Posted August 10, 2014 I am sure there are threads on here about Traditionals which make the point that they are not weight relieved but solid all the way through. I am sure I have read several Pippy posts where he makes the point. You might be confusing the Traditional (no weight relief) and this Traditional Pro II. According to the Pro I specs at http://www2.gibson.com/Products/Electric-Guitars/Les-Paul/Gibson-USA/Les-Paul-Traditional-Pro.aspx: " Beyond the façade, the guitar’s interior is treated to Gibson’s traditional 9 hole relief to give you enhanced tone and a guitar of manageable weight." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pwrmac7600 Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 Thanks pwrmac7600! I figured the tag was inaccurate as far as the name of the guitar, and pickups as well. If you don't mind, I was wondering if you could answer a few questions about this model. Gimmicks aside, how does it compare to your 2000 LP Standard (build quality, etc)? Did they have to cut any corners to lower the price? How does the Burstbucker 3 compare to the Super 57? Did GC foot the bill for the swap? How is the boost working out for you? I'm hesitant about having a guitar that requires a battery (though I read that the boost simply became a Kill Switch once the battery dies). You swapped out a lot of hardware. Did you have tuning stability issues with the stock hardware? MF has a model with an exclusive Ice Tea finish, but the colors on their website appear super-saturated. Wish I could see that finish in-person or with better pics! Edit: Found some in this thread. Sadly I'm not a fan of the flame, and the plain top version has a 50's neck... so close to perfection (for me, it's all subjective)! No I didn't have any tuning issues, i did it purely out of choice, because I wanted hardware that locked onto the guitar, so i didn't have to worry about action settings and what not going out of whack if I removed all of the strings. Plus I wanted to add the locking tailpiece studs to better couple the tailpiece to the guitar. It added alot of depth to the tone. and graphtechs have always been my upgrade of choice. The guitar is no Gimmick. I picked the model because it played, felt, and sounded the most like my 2000 standard. The only real corners I see cut on the guitar are in the finish of the back and neck, other than that the guitar compares. On the first one I bought they footed the bill for the pickup swap because of the false advertisement, but on the second one I had to pay for it since I then knew what I was getting when I bought it. Burstbuckers have been my pickup of choice for a long time so I was specifically looking for burst buckers. I prefer it over the super 57. The super 57 sounded to flabby in the low end for me. The burstbucker is much tighter. Truthfully I don't really use the boost much, but it is a nice feature and sounds great when engaged, and like you said, if you don't want to keep a battery in the guitar, the boost just acts as a kill switch. The electronics are still completely passive. if you look on guitar centers website, in thier platinum section you can choose the actual guitar you want, it will display all the models they currently have nationwide with weights, and actual pics listed, you can find some with les flame and some with more flame, some in the 6lbs range all the way up to 10.45lbs. i love both of mine and i play them constantly, they are great guitars and well worth the money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pwrmac7600 Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 I am sure there are threads on here about Traditionals which make the point that they are not weight relieved but solid all the way through. I am sure I have read several Pippy posts where he makes the point. The traditional pro's are 9 hole weight relieved, I contacted Gibson directly to get the info. you are thinking of the traditional model, totally different guitar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabs Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 Are you positive? Lol.. no.. I answered this quickly as I went out... But I thought most of the traditional models were solid from 2013.. but I could be way wrong :unsure: (either way, if its a nice guitar, who cares ;)) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cjsinla Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 Lol.. no.. I answered this quickly as I went out... But I thought most of the traditional models were solid from 2013.. but I could be way wrong :unsure: (either way, if its a nice guitar, who cares ;)) Right, the Traditional and Traditional Pro are different models. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blueblooded Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 My son recently picked up an ES-339 Traditional Pro which also has the two push/push coil split and one push/push 10db boost circuit. I really thought it was gimicky stuff until he let me take it to band rehearsal. I absolutely loved the tone and usefulness of the coil splits especially with the boost circuit since it allows you to re-gain the signal/volume loss when you switch between humbucker/split coil modes on the fly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pin Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 I absolutely loved the tone and usefulness of the coil splits especially with the boost circuit since it allows you to re-gain the signal/volume loss when you switch between humbucker/split coil modes on the fly. As an aside (sorry to deviate from the thread topic) - is there any kind of detail info (schematic etc) as to the nature of the "boost circuit"? The reason why I ask is that my Yamaha SG2000 is wired up Jimmy Page no2 style (four push / push) with Bare Knuckle Mule pickups neck and bridge but I notice a considerable drop in volume when I coil spilt. The "boost" is what I need! And yes, I was confusing Traditional with Traditional Pro. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paincakes Posted August 11, 2014 Author Share Posted August 11, 2014 Seriously considering this model as my 1st Les Paul... I just need to figure a few details. I prefer the Honeyburst finish (only available with 50's neck), but I happen to prefer 60's necks! I'll hunt down a 50's model to see if I can hang with the neck. As far as 60's models, I like MF's exclusive "Ice Tea" finish, but all of their pictures are bright and super-saturated, and I have a hard time seeing the wood patterns. ... 1st Les Paul problems... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pwrmac7600 Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 1407801209[/url]' post='1551976']Seriously considering this model as my 1st Les Paul... I just need to figure a few details. I prefer the Honeyburst finish (only available with 50's neck), but I happen to prefer 60's necks! I'll hunt down a 50's model to see if I can hang with the neck. As far as 60's models, I like MF's exclusive "Ice Tea" finish, but all of their pictures are bright and super-saturated, and I have a hard time seeing the wood patterns. ... 1st Les Paul problems... I took a look, they all seems to have flame to them, nothing completely plain top. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BooBoo Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 I have the Traditional Pro II. It's essentially a weight-relieved plaintop with updated electronics, although I still think it's too heavy. (8.8 lbs., 10.2 with the strap and locking tuners.) The 57 Classic and the Super 57 are both fine pickups. The Burstbucker 3 is brighter which I don't need. The Les Paul with the Super 57 is the brightest guitar I own. I have Strats and Telecasters with humbuckers, and they are dark compared to the Les Paul. All I have to do is tweak the amp knobs a little bit so it isn't a big deal. Just saying, there is nothing wrong with those pickups at all. Agree with the assessment that you should look them over first. There was a couple of little quality control issues with mine. I know how I am and I plan to play the dookie out of it so I didn't think it was worth the hassle of a return. I need a player not a show piece. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
01GT eibach Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 20 hours ago, BooBoo said: I have the Traditional Pro II ... Awesome ... except you answering a question from nine years ago. 😁 No matter. Welcome to the club. Can you post a pic of that Trad Pro II? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. Pepper Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 (edited) Here was the one I owed. Edited February 7, 2021 by Sgt. Pepper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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