JScott Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 I have a BMW X1 made in the US that is nicer than any Toyota, Ford, Chevy, or Subaru that I've ever owned. better mileage, more comfy, and nicer accessories for not much more than the Toyota I traded in. I think it's in the engineering that makes the difference. I also traded a Mustang GT for a JCW Mini Cooper Roadster that is more fun, faster, and just a blast to drive. Can't beat 204 horse power and a manual 6 speed transmission on a go-cart for fun! The thing ran circles around the V-8 Mustang GT! My guitars however are mostly American made which begs the question, besides Japan what are some other quality guitars made abroad and where? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingarmadillo Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 That was true, maybe about 20 years ago, but I don't think it's true anymore. In the USA, Japanese cars still have a reputation for quality, and Toyota stuff actually holds a good resale value because of reputation, but statistics here show that the American counterparts have been better for some years now, in nearly every area I think. For 2015 only the 4 Runner, Land Cruiser, and Prius where built in Japan, the rest of the US market Toyotas where built in the US. They even moved Lexus ES production to the US. As for the euro brands, if you buy a BMW X3, X4, X5, or X6 anywhere in the world, it was made in South Carolina and most of the North American market Mercedes production comes from Tuscaloosa Alabama. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Bulldog86902 Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 Interior wasn't that bad either,,everything was adjustable,great for a Sunday buzz,won first place at secc agains rolls roys phantom,200 grand car,my pal has it now n runs his own performance garage,,can't afford to run the beast now,lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surfpup Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 By American-built, are you speaking of the Volkswagen plant in Tennessee, or the Toyota plant in California, or the Ford plant in Mexico? This pretty much sums up the car thing for me. I have 3 Hondas - all "made" in Ohio. So you could say "assembled" instead of made, right? As for guitars, isn't it the same? Does anyone here really think their US "built" electric guitars have no foreign-made parts? I doubt that sincerely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulldog86902 Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 Your spot on,,lol,,there's so many nice guitars out there,,it's a hit n a miss,,you just have to try them all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capmaster Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 My only notable personal experience with an American made car has been driving a rented Dodge Caravan for about three weeks and circa 7,800 kilometers in Canada during August 1993. This model was rather common here, too, sold branded as Chrysler Voyager, and perhaps the best-selling Chrysler car ever in Germany. Driveability was fine, no complaints, I just had to adapt to the automatic gear. It was nice to handle and comfortable on tarmac and country roads as well. Fuel consumption seemed also reasonable to me, in particular given size and weight. It was around 9.5 liters per 100 kimometers, equivalent to about 24.76 miles per gallon. Not bad at all I think. The only shortcomings were generator whistle and ignition buzz through the car radio/cassette player. The rules for radio interference suppression obviously are less stringent in Canada. Nobody ever reported this problem with audio systems of the same car model built to German specifications. Even listening to an AM radio station never has been a problem, but meanwhile the relevance of AM is pretty low. The entire MF band is extinct here since of 31 December 2015. EDIT: I did some research and found out that inofficially from 1984, officially from 1988 to 1992 the Chrysler Voyager was imported from the USA. In 1992 they began production in Austria for all European and several more countries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swampash Posted February 18, 2016 Author Share Posted February 18, 2016 I have a BMW X1 made in the US that is nicer than any Toyota, Ford, Chevy, or Subaru that I've ever owned. better mileage, more comfy, and nicer accessories for not much more than the Toyota I traded in. I think it's in the engineering that makes the difference. I also traded a Mustang GT for a JCW Mini Cooper Roadster that is more fun, faster, and just a blast to drive. Can't beat 204 horse power and a manual 6 speed transmission on a go-cart for fun! The thing ran circles around the V-8 Mustang GT! My guitars however are mostly American made which begs the question, besides Japan what are some other quality guitars made abroad and where? Duesenberg make great Guitars out of Germany and Godin make fine Guitars out of Canada. Outside of those nothing springs to mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swampash Posted February 18, 2016 Author Share Posted February 18, 2016 For 2015 only the 4 Runner, Land Cruiser, and Prius where built in Japan, the rest of the US market Toyotas where built in the US. They even moved Lexus ES production to the US. As for the euro brands, if you buy a BMW X3, X4, X5, or X6 anywhere in the world, it was made in South Carolina and most of the North American market Mercedes production comes from Tuscaloosa Alabama. In the case of the German brands being built in the US, they are still made to the same exact standards as they would be if they were built in Bavaria in the case of BMW, Stuttgart for Mercedes or Ingolstadt for Audi, not to mention Wolfsburg for Volkswagen. On the other hand, Chevrolet make cars out of South Korea that are truly awful and these are the ones seen on European roads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swampash Posted February 18, 2016 Author Share Posted February 18, 2016 This pretty much sums up the car thing for me. I have 3 Hondas - all "made" in Ohio. So you could say "assembled" instead of made, right? As for guitars, isn't it the same? Does anyone here really think their US "built" electric guitars have no foreign-made parts? I doubt that sincerely. That pretty much nails it, they are assembled in the US which is probably the case for all the other European or Japanese car makers that have plants in the US. The parts are shipped there from the far east or Europe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swampash Posted February 18, 2016 Author Share Posted February 18, 2016 There was a very good program on the TV a couple of months ago on the BBC about what happened to the Detroit Motor Industry. The entire town was fuelled by car manufacturing for decades. Then in the late sixties/early seventies, small Hondas started to appear on American roads. They were ridiculed at first for being small. Then the world wide energy crisis hit. Americans woke up to the reality of smaller engines but more importantly, better made Japanese cars that were more reliable. How did Detroit respond? GM workers burned Hondas out in the open. Fuel efficiency and build quality was not addressed as all the US auto makers stuck their heads in the sand. The cars coming from japan got better and better and the US car industry and Detroit were on their knees. Little has changed since..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swampash Posted February 18, 2016 Author Share Posted February 18, 2016 EDIT: I did some research and found out that inofficially from 1984, officially from 1988 to 1992 the Chrysler Voyager was imported from the USA. In 1992 they began production in Austria for all European and several more countries. Chrysler cars are seen some times on our roads. I've seen the Voyager and also the Crossfire, which ironically was built on the underpinnings of an old Mercedes SLK. They were not cheap but because they were not as well made as their competitors here, very few sold. I remember the dashboard in the Crossfire looked like someone had painted it with silver model aircraft paint, unfortunately while it sit on a Mercedes chassis, the Mercedes quality did not make it to the engine or driver's cabin. And this car was in the same price range as an Audi TT. :unsure: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btoth76 Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 ... And this car was in the same price range as an Audi TT. :unsure: Great little German rocket, ain't it? Made in Hungary, of course. :D Bence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
merciful-evans Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 Duesenberg make great Guitars out of Germany and Godin make fine Guitars out of Canada. Outside of those nothing springs to mind. These English ones are pretty good. (its a smallish workshop though) http://www.fyldeguitars.com/index.html I have a very early one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btoth76 Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 Mayones guitars Poland: http://www.mayones.com/ Bence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stein Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 There was a very good program on the TV a couple of months ago on the BBC about what happened to the Detroit Motor Industry. The entire town was fuelled by car manufacturing for decades. Then in the late sixties/early seventies, small Hondas started to appear on American roads. They were ridiculed at first for being small. Then the world wide energy crisis hit. Americans woke up to the reality of smaller engines but more importantly, better made Japanese cars that were more reliable. How did Detroit respond? GM workers burned Hondas out in the open. Fuel efficiency and build quality was not addressed as all the US auto makers stuck their heads in the sand. The cars coming from japan got better and better and the US car industry and Detroit were on their knees. Little has changed since..... I wouldn't say "little has changed since", but everything has changed since. Unless you mean Detroit as it was no longer exist. Cars have made a full 180 since....for the most part, the American ones are better than the Japanese in the areas they used to, and some Japanese cars are actually MORE made in USA than American ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stein Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 Gotta say, this thread has been informative. I knew some cars were made somewhere else than their country of origin, but had no idea how much. It seems EVERY car maker is making cars outside their own country as much as not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stein Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 Bought a pocket knife the other day. Haven't had or carried one in years. The "traditional" ones, the only ones there I could pick from, were basically all Chinese. Some of the fancy newer style ones were USA made. I kinda expect some Chinese and some American made, but what was/is odd to me, is the old American brands, the old standards, were the ones Made in China. The "Icons", so to speak. It's weird to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulldog86902 Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 You get caught with a pocket knife here in Glasgow it's jail for anyone,,it's crap,there very handy for lots of things,they tried to put my brother in jail for a wee keyring knife with a wee light on it,only an inch long blade made in Taiwan,,it's sad,lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Bulldog86902 Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 Smallest one AV ever seen,lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RowdyMoon Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 Assembled in America made from Chinese parts that were purchased from Canada, Taiwan, Germany , United States and Poland and after assembly sold back to Canadian and European and Asian markets because they were deemed better quality because they were " made in America " ....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulldog86902 Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 Lol,,😂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulldog86902 Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 The sad thing is people are getting killed by knifes all the time,,up here in Glasgow it's mainly bad slashing n stuff like that,,my wee m8 sent me a pic of his recent machete attack,,looks quite bad,,not life threatening but scarred for life definitely,,cheep import weapons n silly wee boys,,a should teach them all guitar n they might behave,lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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