JefferySmith Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 Ah crap. Was it malformed' date=' or just plain ol' didn't fit? Did you send it back?[/quote'] I "adjusted" it with a hammer. The neck cradle part was off center so the headstock did not fit into the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie brown Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 I ordered an Ephione case, seperatly for mine, too...but it was fine. Fit like a glove with no adjustment at all. So, I think Jeffery just got a "bad" one, maybe? CB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oxide Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 I called Musician's Friend today and was able to get a 15% refund. They said it was sent but I am still waiting for the amount to appear in my PayPal. In other news, I received my P93! I was surprised since the tracking number said it was going to arrive on Monday. The guitar plays great and it was definitely worth the wait. I now own two Epiphone Limited Editions, my SG Custom w/Maestro Tremolo and now this. I plan to order a hard case with my refund and eventually have the guitar setup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowgard Posted June 4, 2009 Share Posted June 4, 2009 Got my Riviera yesterday from MF. Very nice. The action was high (to the specs in the Epi documentation) but was easy to adjust. Electrics all seem sound and the finish is great. I'm not really a guitar player, just a drummer who knows a hand full of chords and loves cool guitars but I can't find a thing to ***** about on the Riviera. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John1281734170 Posted June 5, 2009 Share Posted June 5, 2009 Here's a question....How long does a run of this type usually last? My 50'th B-day is in October. I can't make a B-day request this early, or my wife will........uh, you know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie brown Posted June 5, 2009 Share Posted June 5, 2009 Here's a question....How long does a run of this type usually last? My 50'th B-day is in October. I can't make a B-day request this early' date=' or my wife will........uh, you know.[/quote'] The last "run" was short! By the time we heard about them, and they were then back-ordered (for 6 months) was 4-6 weeks...seemingly. Now, I'm not saying this "for sure," as I would guess it would depend on where you were, as to how fast they sold out, but MF was out of them, pretty quickly. So...I wouldn't hesitate too long. Although...this "run" may be larger...and so will last longer??? Who knows?! ;>b CB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianh Posted June 5, 2009 Share Posted June 5, 2009 I forgot to post it here, my Riviera also arrived this week, here's the report: http://forums.epiphone.com/Default.aspx?g=posts&t=10742 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crabby Posted June 5, 2009 Share Posted June 5, 2009 My second one has arrived, the first had a cracked neck. It's a very nice looking guitar for sure, action way high, made a few bridge adjustments but won't have a chance to give it a proper setup until this weekend. Haven't had much time to play and experiment with tone and pickup selection settings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JefferySmith Posted June 5, 2009 Share Posted June 5, 2009 My second one has arrived' date=' the first had a cracked neck. It's a very nice looking guitar for sure, action way high, made a few bridge adjustments but won't have a chance to give it a proper setup until this weekend. Haven't had much time to play and experiment with tone and pickup selection settings.[/quote'] Given the way UPS likes to abuse freight, I'm surprised that the sellers of these guitars don't drop UPS and go with FedEx. Damaging their freight should be out of the question given they are slower than FedEx and USPS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie brown Posted June 5, 2009 Share Posted June 5, 2009 Yeah Jeff...remember when we got our MIJ-61 SG's. Mine arrived via Japan Postal Express, then USPS! It was in a regular Epiphone like box, in it's "gig bag," with just "normal" foam, and was perfect! Mine was even in tune! UPS can't ship next door, without breaking something. Amazing!! CB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianh Posted June 5, 2009 Share Posted June 5, 2009 I've left the factory strings on my P93 and it's turning my fingers BLACK. What's up with that? Another lead-laced gift from China? Should I get them off? PS: This is a really fun guitar. I just learned Cinnamon Girl (the proper way) from this video, and it sounds fanatastic through the Pro Reverb, and I'm only on 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbEOlkot65Q I can't wait 'til no one else is home and I can really crank it! PPS: What kind of guitar is that in the video - an Epi? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianh Posted June 6, 2009 Share Posted June 6, 2009 Well I figured out it's not the strings that are turning my fingers black, it's the frets. I restrung the P93 today and whilst oiling the fretboard noticed that the cloth kept coming up black, no matter how much I rubbed it. It's only slighty leaving my fingers black now, but it makes you wonder what kind of mu metal they're making their fretwire out of these days. Hope it's not a reason for a recall, I do like this guitar... a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Summerisle Posted June 6, 2009 Share Posted June 6, 2009 Well I figured out it's not the strings that are turning my fingers black' date=' it's the frets. I restrung the P93 today and whilst oiling the fretboard noticed that the cloth kept coming up black, no matter how much I rubbed it. It's only slightly leaving my fingers black now, but it makes you wonder what kind of mu metal they're making their fretwire out of these days. Hope it's not a reason for a recall, I do like this guitar... a lot.[/quote'] The only metal I know of that causes black stuff to rub off onto your hands is galvanized steel...This material would seem to be a useless choice for fretwire, so I think that suggestion can be excluded. However, are they stainless steel frets, do you think? I see that Warmoth are now selling stainless steel fretwire, as an alternative to the traditional nickel-silver: http://www.warmoth.com/Stainless-Steel-6115-Fretwire-for-guitar-or-bass-P177.aspx Perhaps they cover the frets with some kind of dressing to protect them during shipping? Any oily substance rubs off stainless steel very easily, of course. Perhaps the blackness on your hands after playing will reduce and then cease after you've played the guitar in. Congrats on your P93, by the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JefferySmith Posted June 6, 2009 Share Posted June 6, 2009 Yeah Jeff...remember when we got our MIJ-61 SG's. Mine arrived via Japan Postal Express' date=' then USPS! It wasin a regular Epiphone like box, in it's "gig bag," with just "normal" foam, and was perfect! Mine was even in tune! UPS can't ship next door, without breaking something. Amazing!! CB[/quote'] Mine was in tune as well! I frequently get things from cameraquest.com delivered via USPS. Usually takes 2 days (for a 2,000 mile trip), and the boxes are pristine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John1281734170 Posted June 7, 2009 Share Posted June 7, 2009 After reading about the P-93's not-so-good set up, and possible quality control problems, I think a Casino will be my next guitar. Even though the P-93 is the purdiest guitar I've seen, I'm gonna have to go with the tried and true Casino. Simple, and proven... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie brown Posted June 7, 2009 Share Posted June 7, 2009 After reading about the P-93's not-so-good set up' date=' and possible quality control problems, I think a Casino will be my next guitar. Even though the P-93 is the purdiest guitar I've seen, I'm gonna have to go with the tried and true Casino. Simple, and proven...[/quote'] Whatever you're comfortable with, but my P-93 was just fine, right of the box! Any "adjustments" I made, were purely for personal reasons/preferences...NOT because it was poorly "set up," or had any QC issue. In fact, QC wise, I've seen 5000 dollar guitars with more issues and set up problems, than mine ever thought about having! So...if I was you, I'd play both, and see which one you really prefer. Our opinions/observations, are just that...our opinions, particular experiences. "It Don't mean it's 'Gospel," Y'all!" ;>) CB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianh Posted June 7, 2009 Share Posted June 7, 2009 Despite the minor setup glitches, black fingers and finish issues, I still think the P93 is an excellent value for the money. I haven't played anything else since I got it, and I'll probably keep favoring it for many more months - just love that P90 sound, really makes my tube amps sing. If it were a $1,500 Casino, I might be really annoyed, but for a sub-$500 guitar, it's pretty hard to complain. I wish I'd had a guitar like this long ago. BTW, I took the pickup covers off and buffed out the haze. The PUPs were waxed, the cavities were clean and the wiring looks good. I also flipped the G-string bridge saddle to give a little more range. The new setup and intonation is holding very well, the nut doesn't bind, and the tuners don't slip. Using the Bigsby doesn't pull it out of tune (any more than you'd expect), and whatever the black stuff coming off the frets was, it's pretty much gone now. I guess I'm the perfect buyer for this kind of unit because fiddling with it is half the fun for me. Other than the Washburn strat copy I bought my son, I've never owned a new, store-bought guitar before, so perhaps this is par for the course. If anything, it's made me want a Casino even more - really curious what a hard tail hollow-body with only two P90s would sound/play like. Something tells me I won't be disappointed.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John1281734170 Posted June 7, 2009 Share Posted June 7, 2009 I really love the looks of the P-93. The wine red with black p/u's is just incredible looking. I'm not really a Bigsby kind of guy though. What to do? I'm so confused..... Yep, I should play both of them, cuz, after all, the sound is the most important thing, but I'm sure none of the stores around here's gonna have a P-93. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie brown Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 Well, the Casino is a great guitar, there's no denying that! Maybe it will depend on what you play? Lead or mostly Rhythm? Upper fret access, and higher volume without feedback, are two of the P-93's advantages. Lighter weight, and that "Casino tone," are in the Casino's favor. The P-93 has great tone(s) too, but because it's "Semi" hollow, it's a bit different, than the Casino. The third (middle) pickup, allows for more variety of tones...some even bordering on "Gretsch like." So...??? You won't regret, purchasing either one, I'm quite sure. Just depends on what you really want/need. Good luck! CB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EpiEric Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 Well I figured out it's not the strings that are turning my fingers black' date=' it's the frets. I restrung the P93 today and whilst oiling the fretboard noticed that the cloth kept coming up black, no matter how much I rubbed it. It's only slighty leaving my fingers black now, but it makes you wonder what kind of mu metal they're making their fretwire out of these days. Hope it's not a reason for a recall, I do like this guitar... a lot.[/quote'] I don't think it's the frets themselves, but rather the fretboard material. They've probably darkened the wood of the fingerboard and that is what is coming off on your fingers. My Les Paul Custom did this for a while, but after enough playing, it quit. Supplies of good, inexpensive and dark rosewood are harder to come by nowadays, so a lot of manufacturers are artificially darkening their rosewood boards. I've heard complaints of this even on Fender American Standards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Summerisle Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 Supplies of good' date=' inexpensive and dark rosewood are harder to come by nowadays, so a lot of manufacturers are artificially darkening their rosewood boards. I've heard complaints of this even on Fender American Standards.[/quote'] I'm sure this is true re: rosewood in some instances, but I've got no complaints with my 2008 American Standard. Perhaps I was lucky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianh Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 I don't think it's the frets themselves' date=' but rather the fretboard material. They've probably darkened the wood of the fingerboard and that is what is coming off on your fingers. My Les Paul Custom did this for a while, but after enough playing, it quit. Supplies of good, inexpensive and dark rosewood are harder to come by nowadays, so a lot of manufacturers are artificially darkening their rosewood boards. I've heard complaints of this even on Fender American Standards.[/quote'] I just checked, it's definitely the frets not the wood. It's pretty faint now, but still coming off. I expect it will abate entirely at some point. Either that or I'll croak from lead poisoning... :- Nice lookin' strat there Lord S - more pics? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Summerisle Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 Nice lookin' strat there Lord S - more pics? Thanks Brian! There are some more photos at the start of the Stratocaster thread we had some time back: http://forums.epiphone.com/Default.aspx?g=posts&t=9614 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianh Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 Thanks Brian! There are some more photos at the start of the Stratocaster thread we had some time back: http://forums.epiphone.com/Default.aspx?g=posts&t=9614 Oh right...duh. man there are some nice lookin' Strats on that thread... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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