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Damiam - the whole "global warming" thing is so 2004.

Now it's less specifically referred to as Climate Change. [thumbup]

 

That way there's much more latitude in fuzzy environmental guilt/scare tactics.

 

That way, when a blizzard screws up flights into a hifalootin meeting on "global warming" it's not so inconvenient to explain.

 

"It's hot - we told ya!"

"It's cold - we told ya!"

"It's raining - we told ya!"

"It's NOT raining - we told ya!"

"It's snowing - we told ya!"

[flapper]

 

 

 

Have we altered our planet's weather?

Sure.

 

But weather is more than an ice storm or a dry summer.

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Have we altered our planet's weather?

Sure.

 

But weather is more than an ice storm or a dry summer.

 

Wrong, Neo. Weather is exactly an ice storm or a dry summer.

Climate, however, refers to weather pattens over time. At least use

the correct terminology when you are attempting to make scientific commentary.

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Define "time."

 

It was cold and rainy as hell in Phoenix yesterday.

Overcast and drizzly this morning.

 

IN THE DESERT!

 

Oh my, we've become Seattle in less than a week!!!

 

[-(

 

Ever lived in farm country?

(And no, citrus does not count - even if it's frozen from "global warming...")

Good and bad seasons cling for decades.

 

Pop Quiz for the edjucaters;

The energy from EVERY watt of electricity generated and consumed on the planet eventually goes where?

(Does NOT matter how it is generated - camel dung or photo cells.)

 

This stumped a class of college kiddies a few months ago.

My English Perfesser buddy (a VERY smart man) could only shake his head in disbelief at what he saw...

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Pop Quiz for the edjucaters;

The energy from EVERY watt of electricity generated

and consumed on the planet eventually goes where?

(Does NOT matter how it is generated - camel dung

or photo cells.)

 

This stumped a class of college kiddies a few

months ago.

 

 

Thaz cuz the wording of the question is misleading.

It implies a single 'destination' as an answer to a

simple-sounding "where?" query. IOW, if it were

worded "What happens to all the energy from .... "

instead of "it goes where?", the respondent would

feel free to answer correctly. As currently worded,

which means "as currently asked", there isn't any

single correct answer except "into the environment".

 

"Environment" is meant here in the hugest terms,

not just the earthly ecosphere and biosphere.

 

Some of it will travel as light, out into space until

it is absorbed in encounters with cosmic dust and

gasses. Some of it will radiate into space as heat,

and some will sink into the earth as heat, from

where it will ultimately radiate into space. Some

of it is elctromagnetic leakage from motors, etc

and will radiate outward from the source until it

encounters something ferrous, and then it will be

turned back into heat.

 

Really, it's all electromagnetic radiation ... light,

heat, "magnetism" ..... it's all the same stuff on

a single spectrum. And it all goes "where?" ? The

question as you word it sounds plainly stoopid, and

there are no answers that are both correct and of a

'compatible' stoopidity level. Correct answers are

far less stoopidly simplistic than the question, so

even those who actually HAVE a correct answer to

offer are stumped. They are stumped at HOW to

offer an answer, not at WHAT the answer must say.

 

Your English Teacher buddy should have been much

less shocked at the situation. He should have seen

that impasse of rhetoric for what it was. But instead,

by your account, he saw only a lack of replies and

inferred, again by your account, an ignorance of the

facts required for a correct reply. 'Tsk-Tsk' on him,

but what can you expect from an English Major !

 

When a question is worded so as to strongly imply

that the asker is woefully ignorant about the topic of

that question, then the respondent is rightfully in a

quandry, wondering what the question is intended to

mean, what sort of answer the asker will understand,

and OF COURSE, what is the asker's AGENDA in

posing such a 'tricky' question.

 

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Becuz you included the word "eventually", there IS a

short answer. Such an answer sounds a bit less than

specific, like it's dodging something, so the " Kiddies"

were justified in thinking it's not the TYPE of answer

required. Students are usually quite concerned with

that sort of thing.

 

Anywho, the short answer is:

"Back where it came from".

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Define "time."

 

As you said, "Good and bad seasons cling for decades." The number of years used to measure climate

must therefore exceed these seasons. As a result scientists generally only use the term climate

when referring to a period of many decades.

 

Really, the difference between the definitions of the terms weather and climate is pretty simple,

yet many people seem to use them interchangeably...

 

Weather is the mix of events that happen each day in our atmosphere including temperature, rainfall and humidity.

Climate is the average weather pattern in a place over many decades.

 

 

Ever lived in farm country?

(And no, citrus does not count - even if it's frozen from "global warming...")

Good and bad seasons cling for decades.

 

Yes, I have lived in farm country. Somewhere in your wealth of knowledge you must know that Florida

is not just citrus country. We even have FFA here! [biggrin]

 

Pop Quiz for the edjucaters;

The energy from EVERY watt of electricity generated and consumed on the planet eventually goes where?

(Does NOT matter how it is generated - camel dung or photo cells.)

 

Assuming you are asking this question of me (and not just any "edjucaters" who might be around)

I don't believe energy can "go" anywhere. It can merely be converted from one form to the other.

"Law of Conservation of Energy" or something similar, no?

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SP - any and all edjumacaters are welcome.

Not singling you out at all...

 

[biggrin]

 

 

Some of it will travel as light, out into space

Heat.

Very little of it actually escapes the planet as light.

 

Almost every last bit of electricity is eventually dissipated as heat.

Is your cell phone charger plugged in - even though your phone is not?

Is it warmer than the room it's in?

 

My point being that EVERYTHING we do produces heat.

Everything we do in an effort to be "green" has attendant costs to the environment nobody wants to talk about.

 

Instead of shadow-boxing and conspiracy-mongering, millions around the world would be better served if they simply woke the (CENSORED) up.

 

There are three primary reasons "green" energy systems are not in widespread use;

They cost too much to manufacture/install/commission, no matter how you fund them,

They don't f-ing work reliably,

or

Their output is not consistently high enough to predict the return.

 

Petroleum is king for a reason - it works.

Don't get me wrong, I KNOW we have to wean ourselves from it everywhere we can but it will always be in the picture to an extent.

I'm all for alternatives - as long as they work and the gov't isn't confiscating MY money to pay for them.

 

Alternatives will become profitable if the private sector is allowed to do the leg work.

Until then - more tax-funded boondoggles...

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You want to 'Save the world' from ourselves?

 

Round up every battery powered device you have, then recycle it. DO NOT replace it. Reminds me of a story about a camel and a needle's eye.

 

Whey I hang up my land-line phone. It uses zero electricity, but will ring when someone wants to talk to me. My cell? it has to be consuming electricity 24-7 in order for people to reach me at any time.

 

Don't try to remove the speck from my eye until you extract the board from your own eye.

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