NeoConMan Posted December 17, 2010 Share Posted December 17, 2010 http://www.latimes.com/wjw-cleveland-harbor-west-pierhead-lighthouse-ice-txt,0,378797.story?track=rss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChanMan Posted December 17, 2010 Share Posted December 17, 2010 Neat! Was gonna say "cool" but.... :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny V Posted December 17, 2010 Share Posted December 17, 2010 yeah, It's been unseasonably cold and very windy for this time of year here in Cleveland. Thanks for posting the video. Kenny V Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocketman Posted December 17, 2010 Share Posted December 17, 2010 That's very cool. Here's another one: Broken Water Main Leaves House Covered in Ice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Versatile Posted December 17, 2010 Share Posted December 17, 2010 The lighthouse is a wonder of nature It was on UK news yesterday V Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damian Posted December 17, 2010 Share Posted December 17, 2010 Global Warming.......it's just not cool, it's cold... [flapper] [flapper] [flapper] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeoConMan Posted December 17, 2010 Author Share Posted December 17, 2010 Damiam - the whole "global warming" thing is so 2004. Now it's less specifically referred to as Climate Change. That way there's much more latitude in fuzzy environmental guilt/scare tactics. That way, when a blizzard screws up flights into a hifalootin meeting on "global warming" it's not so inconvenient to explain. "It's hot - we told ya!" "It's cold - we told ya!" "It's raining - we told ya!" "It's NOT raining - we told ya!" "It's snowing - we told ya!" Have we altered our planet's weather? Sure. But weather is more than an ice storm or a dry summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surfpup Posted December 17, 2010 Share Posted December 17, 2010 Have we altered our planet's weather? Sure. But weather is more than an ice storm or a dry summer. Wrong, Neo. Weather is exactly an ice storm or a dry summer. Climate, however, refers to weather pattens over time. At least use the correct terminology when you are attempting to make scientific commentary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeoConMan Posted December 17, 2010 Author Share Posted December 17, 2010 Define "time." It was cold and rainy as hell in Phoenix yesterday. Overcast and drizzly this morning. IN THE DESERT! Oh my, we've become Seattle in less than a week!!! Ever lived in farm country? (And no, citrus does not count - even if it's frozen from "global warming...") Good and bad seasons cling for decades. Pop Quiz for the edjucaters; The energy from EVERY watt of electricity generated and consumed on the planet eventually goes where? (Does NOT matter how it is generated - camel dung or photo cells.) This stumped a class of college kiddies a few months ago. My English Perfesser buddy (a VERY smart man) could only shake his head in disbelief at what he saw... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golem Posted December 17, 2010 Share Posted December 17, 2010 ` Pop Quiz for the edjucaters; The energy from EVERY watt of electricity generated and consumed on the planet eventually goes where? (Does NOT matter how it is generated - camel dung or photo cells.) This stumped a class of college kiddies a few months ago. Thaz cuz the wording of the question is misleading. It implies a single 'destination' as an answer to a simple-sounding "where?" query. IOW, if it were worded "What happens to all the energy from .... " instead of "it goes where?", the respondent would feel free to answer correctly. As currently worded, which means "as currently asked", there isn't any single correct answer except "into the environment". "Environment" is meant here in the hugest terms, not just the earthly ecosphere and biosphere. Some of it will travel as light, out into space until it is absorbed in encounters with cosmic dust and gasses. Some of it will radiate into space as heat, and some will sink into the earth as heat, from where it will ultimately radiate into space. Some of it is elctromagnetic leakage from motors, etc and will radiate outward from the source until it encounters something ferrous, and then it will be turned back into heat. Really, it's all electromagnetic radiation ... light, heat, "magnetism" ..... it's all the same stuff on a single spectrum. And it all goes "where?" ? The question as you word it sounds plainly stoopid, and there are no answers that are both correct and of a 'compatible' stoopidity level. Correct answers are far less stoopidly simplistic than the question, so even those who actually HAVE a correct answer to offer are stumped. They are stumped at HOW to offer an answer, not at WHAT the answer must say. Your English Teacher buddy should have been much less shocked at the situation. He should have seen that impasse of rhetoric for what it was. But instead, by your account, he saw only a lack of replies and inferred, again by your account, an ignorance of the facts required for a correct reply. 'Tsk-Tsk' on him, but what can you expect from an English Major ! When a question is worded so as to strongly imply that the asker is woefully ignorant about the topic of that question, then the respondent is rightfully in a quandry, wondering what the question is intended to mean, what sort of answer the asker will understand, and OF COURSE, what is the asker's AGENDA in posing such a 'tricky' question. ------------------------------------- Becuz you included the word "eventually", there IS a short answer. Such an answer sounds a bit less than specific, like it's dodging something, so the " Kiddies" were justified in thinking it's not the TYPE of answer required. Students are usually quite concerned with that sort of thing. Anywho, the short answer is: "Back where it came from". ` Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surfpup Posted December 17, 2010 Share Posted December 17, 2010 Define "time." As you said, "Good and bad seasons cling for decades." The number of years used to measure climate must therefore exceed these seasons. As a result scientists generally only use the term climate when referring to a period of many decades. Really, the difference between the definitions of the terms weather and climate is pretty simple, yet many people seem to use them interchangeably... Weather is the mix of events that happen each day in our atmosphere including temperature, rainfall and humidity. Climate is the average weather pattern in a place over many decades. Ever lived in farm country? (And no, citrus does not count - even if it's frozen from "global warming...") Good and bad seasons cling for decades. Yes, I have lived in farm country. Somewhere in your wealth of knowledge you must know that Florida is not just citrus country. We even have FFA here! Pop Quiz for the edjucaters; The energy from EVERY watt of electricity generated and consumed on the planet eventually goes where? (Does NOT matter how it is generated - camel dung or photo cells.) Assuming you are asking this question of me (and not just any "edjucaters" who might be around) I don't believe energy can "go" anywhere. It can merely be converted from one form to the other. "Law of Conservation of Energy" or something similar, no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky scott 29 Posted December 17, 2010 Share Posted December 17, 2010 That was a pretty cool news footage video. Cool Dogs!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeoConMan Posted December 18, 2010 Author Share Posted December 18, 2010 SP - any and all edjumacaters are welcome. Not singling you out at all... Some of it will travel as light, out into space Heat. Very little of it actually escapes the planet as light. Almost every last bit of electricity is eventually dissipated as heat. Is your cell phone charger plugged in - even though your phone is not? Is it warmer than the room it's in? My point being that EVERYTHING we do produces heat. Everything we do in an effort to be "green" has attendant costs to the environment nobody wants to talk about. Instead of shadow-boxing and conspiracy-mongering, millions around the world would be better served if they simply woke the (CENSORED) up. There are three primary reasons "green" energy systems are not in widespread use; They cost too much to manufacture/install/commission, no matter how you fund them, They don't f-ing work reliably, or Their output is not consistently high enough to predict the return. Petroleum is king for a reason - it works. Don't get me wrong, I KNOW we have to wean ourselves from it everywhere we can but it will always be in the picture to an extent. I'm all for alternatives - as long as they work and the gov't isn't confiscating MY money to pay for them. Alternatives will become profitable if the private sector is allowed to do the leg work. Until then - more tax-funded boondoggles... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TommyK Posted December 18, 2010 Share Posted December 18, 2010 You want to 'Save the world' from ourselves? Round up every battery powered device you have, then recycle it. DO NOT replace it. Reminds me of a story about a camel and a needle's eye. Whey I hang up my land-line phone. It uses zero electricity, but will ring when someone wants to talk to me. My cell? it has to be consuming electricity 24-7 in order for people to reach me at any time. Don't try to remove the speck from my eye until you extract the board from your own eye. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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