blindboygrunt Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 am gonna gather up some cash and get myself a decent vocal mic . i use a sennheiser at the minute , an evolution , works alright but i'll clutch any straw that might make me sound better . the shure sm58 seems to be the top dog , but any you guys know of some secrets that are lesser known ? cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
larryp58 Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 The Shure SM-58 is a classic and hard to beat, BUT I've found a real gem in the Shure SM-27 condenser mic. Superb sound and clarity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Versatile Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 Shures are sure good and robust...at various price points...wired or wireless Perhaps stating the obvious...a couple of sessions with a vocal coach can be life changing Sorting out breath control and range strength will automatically improve vocal tone etc Playing any wind instrument is also beneficial...tin whistle, recorder, harmonica etc V Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ritchie69 Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 If you need it for live performances, I think a SM58 or BETA58(the beta it's a supercardioid, then provides a different monitor positioning compared to the sm, the beta is also more brighter) are both a good choice... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madman_Greg Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 live or studio ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blindboygrunt Posted March 20, 2012 Author Share Posted March 20, 2012 just live greg . dont think that condenser sm27 is the one for pubs n clubs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buc McMaster Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 Shure's SM58 is definitely the tried-and-true workhorse of the stage, having proven itself for decades around the world. Used one for many years myself, and the Beta 58 as well.....both great mics. But for the last two or three years I worked on a stage I used an Electro-Voice N/D967.....wow! This is the live performance vocal mic. Incredibly crisp and "alive", it was head and shoulders above the three other SM58 vocal mics on-stage with my last band. Check it out here.....N/D967. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ritchie69 Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 Shure's SM58 is definitely the tried-and-true workhorse of the stage, having proven itself for decades around the world. Used one for many years myself, and the Beta 58 as well.....both great mics. But for the last two or three years I worked on a stage I used an Electro-Voice N/D967.....wow! This is the live performance vocal mic. Incredibly crisp and "alive", it was head and shoulders above the three other SM58 vocal mics on-stage with my last band. Check it out here.....N/D967. Right Buc, the EV N/D967 is another great vocal mic... In the past I also worked with the AUDIX OM7, and I liked it a lot. BBG, have you the chance to try some of these mics? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pfox14 Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 +1 for the SM58 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blindboygrunt Posted March 20, 2012 Author Share Posted March 20, 2012 Right Buc, the EV N/D967 is another great vocal mic... In the past I also worked with the AUDIX OM7, and I liked it a lot. BBG, have you the chance to try some of these mics? thanks guys , my knowledge is limited , never heard of either of those two mics and as you say , great write ups. seems everything is round the same price bracket . and no ritchie , wont have the chance , it will most likely be an ebay purchase when i get round to it . so i thought this place would be a good place to get advice ... there's a few a-holes but a lot of experience and knowledge also . thanks again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greatwhite_10 Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 I've compared the Shure 58 with the 87A and the 87A smacks it hands down. If you go to the Shure website - there's an interactive program to listen to their various models. It's not perfect but gives a fair representation of what you might hear out of each mic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairy Dave Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 My friend recently switched from a Shure SM58 to a TC Helicon MP-70 I think. He seems to like it. Not sure if he's gigged with it yet - I'll ask him for some feedback. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Del Nilppeznaf Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 I'd opt for a Shure SM58 basically you can't go wrong, and one of the main reasons these are the industry standard as well as the response of the mic is they are virtually indestructible drop em.... shock em.. hit some one round the bonce with em and they still work perfectly classic design with that big metal grille protecting everything the Beta is apparently a little more responsive but for the extra 50 odd euro.. unless ya gonna be playing to arena's ..I see little point for live situations Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madman_Greg Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 SM58 is well used, and for good reasons, It sounds OK with most vocalists, is very reliable rugged etc. which makes it a good touring mic, hence its popularity (which doesn't necessarily make it top dog peformance wise) But it may not suit your voice and if you are buying for yourself it pays to test and choose. People do use condensers for live work and you can get battery power ones as opposed to phantom power or provide your own phantom supply freeing you up from assuming the PA man has 48v available and then finding he doesnt and getting stuck without a working mic. Have a read through this, a lot of focus on studio stuff, but worth the read for back ground http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/jul10/articles/vocalmics.htm there is some stuff on dynamics towards the bottom And it gives the following good advice When it comes to choosing mics for vocalists, it really does pay to try several out, side by side and under blind-test conditions. Also beware of cheap SM58s as there are fakes out there for sale Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madman_Greg Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 I forgot to add, start trying out something like the following Neumann KMS 104 Condenser Vocal Microphone then see what compares in the price range you are happy to pay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairy Dave Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 What's the difference between a 'normal' mic and a condenser? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blindboygrunt Posted March 20, 2012 Author Share Posted March 20, 2012 What's the difference between a 'normal' mic and a condenser? about £150 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dotneck Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 but any you guys know of some secrets that are lesser known ? Sure...I know of some lesser known mics...for example I have some Beyer Dynamics M-69 mics that I like a lot...but if you want it for your voice you ought to try a few different mics and see which ones work with YOUR voice. For example, I have a box full of mics but I like the EV 767 for MY voice. It's got a midrange hump right in a place that makes my voice sound thick and full. Shure 58s are great but when I'm on mic give me a 767. That's why a good sound guy will have a box full of mics...so he can pull the right one for the job...so go to a shop where you can demo a few different mics...or buy them used and start building YOUR OWN box of mics... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buc McMaster Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 What's the difference between a 'normal' mic and a condenser? A "normal" or dynamic mic does not require phantom power, i.e. 12-48V DC power put to the microphone. A condenser mic requires phantom power to operate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madman_Greg Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 you may also hear phantom power refered to as Spook Juice for obvious reasons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EuroAussie Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 Do you get to see the Phantom when you use phantom power ? Anway ... we use a SM58, SM58beta and SM57abeta. The betas are definitely brighter, which is better, I dunno, I mainly play the guitar ... ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blindboygrunt Posted March 21, 2012 Author Share Posted March 21, 2012 appreciate the help guys . i didnt think a certain mic would match a certain voice ... never wouldve crossed my mind . every day is a day at school . hairy dave lives near me so i'm hoping he'll back me up on this , but i have never , ever , nor could i even imagine someone in a music shop with a bunch of mics singing into each one :-) i think the shop guy would be searching for the candid camera interesting the EV mic keeps getting a mention cheers guys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madman_Greg Posted March 21, 2012 Share Posted March 21, 2012 If you want something that works every time you take it out the box and can take the knocks etc…. then go for an SM58 (see my previous post concerning fakes though, if things are cheap then they are cheap for a reason) If you want something matched to your voice then you have to go and test, no other way to do this I am afraid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blindboygrunt Posted March 21, 2012 Author Share Posted March 21, 2012 If you want something that works every time you take it out the box and can take the knocks etc…. then go for an SM58 (see my previous post concerning fakes though, if things are cheap then they are cheap for a reason) If you want something matched to your voice then you have to go and test, no other way to do this I am afraid. thanks greg , the 58 must have something going for it when even a novice like me has heard of it the different mics for voices intrigues me though , the variations in the p.a. to ever know or maybe you're talking studio settings and then , for example , a baritone would be better on a diffrent mic than a soprano ? or am i not understanding something? thanks for your input , much appreciated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madman_Greg Posted March 21, 2012 Share Posted March 21, 2012 No I am not talking studio, but the concepts are the same. Every ones voice resonates differently and each mic will react differently to your uniqure voice that's the point. I also wanted to add. If you record electric guitar, then an SM58 with the grill / shield removed is pretty much the same as an SM57, which is very commonly used for micing up guitar cabs. So you sort of get double bubble with an SM58. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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