mking Posted September 15, 2013 Share Posted September 15, 2013 Does anyone know when Gibson started selling the J-45 labeled a the "Standard, the one with the pearl inlaid Gibson logo on the headstock and the Grover tuning machines? I've seen a 2003 J-45 with the white buttons, gold square logo decal and the single old looking closed Kluson tuners. Anyone have any ideas? Would this guitar be Pre True Vintage days and before the J-45 Standard came out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blindboygrunt Posted September 15, 2013 Share Posted September 15, 2013 Does anyone know when Gibson started selling the J-45 labeled a the "Standard, the one with the pearl inlaid Gibson logo on the headstock and the Grover tuning machines? I've seen a 2003 J-45 with the white buttons, gold square logo decal and the single old looking closed Kluson tuners. Anyone have any ideas? Would this guitar be Pre True Vintage days and before the J-45 Standard came out? Could be a 'historic' model ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JuanCarlosVejar Posted September 15, 2013 Share Posted September 15, 2013 yes it would ... Gibson had done a variety of reissues since the early 90's someone with better knowledge will chime in I hope . JC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mking Posted September 15, 2013 Author Share Posted September 15, 2013 Here is the link. If you look really close to the serial number on the back of the headstock it looks like this is a 2003 instead of a 2002. If anyone can tell me if this was a historic or pre TV days before they even had a "Standard" I would like to know. Thanks much. http://www.ebay.com/itm/111169543064?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JuanCarlosVejar Posted September 15, 2013 Share Posted September 15, 2013 it's not a historic but it is pre TV JC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mking Posted September 15, 2013 Author Share Posted September 15, 2013 That is kind of what I was thinking too. That is why I was wondering when they started selling the "Standard" with the pearl logo and the Grover tuners. I am wondering if when they started the TV line they said "hey, if it isn't a TV, lets call it a Standard and make some changes like the pearl logo, Grovers, and a white label inside the guitar instead of an orange one". Thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mking Posted September 15, 2013 Author Share Posted September 15, 2013 Was 2007 the first year of the J-45 True Vintage? My J-45 TV is a 2007 and it has the Sitka top. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasAK Posted September 15, 2013 Share Posted September 15, 2013 It was late 2008. I believe they made the change over (from the mc) on the line is mid to late August. My J45 MC was made (stamped) August13, 2008. Was there any under the hood changes?, I don't know. chasAK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mking Posted September 16, 2013 Author Share Posted September 16, 2013 So in 2008 it went from being a Modern Classic to the "Standard" is what you are thinking? Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasAK Posted September 16, 2013 Share Posted September 16, 2013 Yes, as far as I understand it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mking Posted September 16, 2013 Author Share Posted September 16, 2013 Thanks Chas. Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onewilyfool Posted September 16, 2013 Share Posted September 16, 2013 lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mking Posted September 16, 2013 Author Share Posted September 16, 2013 I wondered when you were going to jump in. What are you laughing about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
passthej45 Posted September 16, 2013 Share Posted September 16, 2013 I have a 2009 standard . It has the pearl inlay and Grover's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluesKing777 Posted September 16, 2013 Share Posted September 16, 2013 I have the 2010 J45 Standard with the pearl logo and Grover tuners. After looking at the 'elderly' J45s, I notice that NONE of those had Grovers or pearl logos, or Tusq saddle and Baggs pickup for that matter, so I guess that means my J45 Standard isn't really 'standard'? BluesKing777. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rar Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 ... so I guess that means my J45 Standard isn't really 'standard'? "Standard" has been used to mean "basic, no-frills model" by Gibson USA forever. (Well, it seems like forever.). Gibson Montana introduced "Modern Classic" to mean "modern version of a classic", but the MCs played the same functional role in the Montana product line that Standards did in the USA product line. So Henry decreed that Montana started calling MCs "Standards" instead. Anyway, "Standards" aren't standard in any sense. The best label might be "Regular Old" -- if they only built one model J-45, it would be the Standard. (So, if you want there to be only one J-45 model, to avoid confusion, just buy a Standard and pretend that you had no choice. Easy!) -- Bob R Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluesKing777 Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 "Standard" has been used to mean "basic, no-frills model" by Gibson USA forever. (Well, it seems like forever.). Gibson Montana introduced "Modern Classic" to mean "modern version of a classic", but the MCs played the same functional role in the Montana product line that Standards did in the USA product line. So Henry decreed that Montana started calling MCs "Standards" instead. Anyway, "Standards" aren't standard in any sense. The best label might be "Regular Old" -- if they only built one model J-45, it would be the Standard. (So, if you want there to be only one J-45 model, to avoid confusion, just buy a Standard and pretend that you had no choice. Easy!) -- Bob R Thanks Rar. I really did NOT have a lot of choice out here in the sticks...... They had mine (back in 2010) and a TV that was not very nice, unfortunately - after reading so much about the TV, that was what I went to try. But I tried my Standard and well - it was exactly what I wanted and it followed me home. (I have noticed recently that it needs new strings a lot to keep the sound I like.) BluesKing777. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorrisrownSal Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 My spruce-topped j45tv was made in mid 2007 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blindboygrunt Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 Thanks Rar. I really did NOT have a lot of choice out here in the sticks...... They had mine (back in 2010) and a TV that was not very nice, unfortunately - after reading so much about the TV, that was what I went to try. But I tried my Standard and well - it was exactly what I wanted and it followed me home. (I have noticed recently that it needs new strings a lot to keep the sound I like.) BluesKing777. 'Recently' ? Did it used to sound good with old strings ? :-/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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