newfiesig Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 I read a lot of contradictory posts on removing gforce tuners from Les Pauls. Has anyone actually done this? Did holes have to be drilled for the new tuners? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Bill 212 Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 I read a lot of contradictory posts on removing gforce tuners from Les Pauls. Has anyone actually done this? Did holes have to be drilled for the new tuners? Whether or not you have to drill holes depends on what you are replacing the Robot Tuner's with, yes? If I were doing it, I would go with good old GIBSON DELUXE Tuning Machines (ALSO: check to see what was the stock Tuning Machine on the Les Paul STANDARD TRADITIONAL Model that particular year)......from what I remember they have holes that line-up and will only require that you get the new screws in straight and not over-tight to the point of stripping. FWIW, if your taking the G-Force off the Guitar make sure to get a set of Tuning Machines that have holes that line-up with the existing holes on the back of the Head-Stock. This way there is NO DRILLING and later on, NO HOLES will be visible and you can put the G-Force Tuner's back on, later, especially if your selling the Guitar. IDK, its just that drilling holes in GIBSON Guitars, OMG, especially a Les Paul STANDARD, seems so wrong to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyler A Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 I did it. I put on locking Grover’s. I did have to drill a hole but it was easy. Soooo much better now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newfiesig Posted June 15, 2018 Author Share Posted June 15, 2018 Turns out that L&M will do it for me for free. They started providing this service for people who bought guitars with gforce in order to sell them. Now I just have to decide on tuners... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revolution Six Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 The new KLUSON Revolution are great, high ratio 19:1, vintage design , locking version available Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonard McCoy Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 There's nothing in my books that tops nickel Grover locking tuners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newfiesig Posted June 15, 2018 Author Share Posted June 15, 2018 The new KLUSON Revolution are great, high ratio 19:1, vintage design , locking version available I DID have my eyes on them... I’ll have to check them out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newfiesig Posted June 15, 2018 Author Share Posted June 15, 2018 There's nothing in my books that tops nickel Grover locking tuners. I’m looking to stay vintage... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leonitus Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 Turns out that L&M will do it for me for free. They started providing this service for people who bought guitars with gforce in order to sell them. Now I just have to decide on tuners... I assume they did charge for the cost of the new tuner set? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newfiesig Posted June 19, 2018 Author Share Posted June 19, 2018 I assume they did charge for the cost of the new tuner set? I haven't got the guitar yet (shows up Thursday), but yeah, they will be charging for the replacements. Which is fine as I would rather pick out what I want rather than be pigeon holed into a cheap set that they throw in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leonitus Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 I haven't got the guitar yet (shows up Thursday), but yeah, they will be charging for the replacements. Which is fine as I would rather pick out what I want rather than be pigeon holed into a cheap set that they throw in. Thank you. Labor costs being what they are, that’s a great incentive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
merciful-evans Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 Nobody seems sure about what replacements will drop straight in. There were a couple of threads 2 years back where such sets were identified, but the board has been re-organised since. They are lost. I'm in no hurry to do this, but since I've had 2 G-Force malfunctions, I'd like to source replacements (without drilling holes). My G-Force has lasted 3 years, and I will miss the easy string changes, but I need to rely on them! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newfiesig Posted June 21, 2018 Author Share Posted June 21, 2018 Nobody seems sure about what replacements will drop straight in. There were a couple of threads 2 years back where such sets were identified, but the board has been re-organised since. They are lost. I'm in no hurry to do this, but since I've had 2 G-Force malfunctions, I'd like to source replacements (without drilling holes). My G-Force has lasted 3 years, and I will miss the easy string changes, but I need to rely on them! From what I'm tracking, there are two different size peg holes (vintage and modern). The GForce (I believe) would be considered modern. Please someone chime in if this is not accurate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LP Trad Pro II Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 From what I'm tracking, there are two different size peg holes (vintage and modern). The GForce (I believe) would be considered modern. Please someone chime in if this is not accurate. Step 1 Take off G Force Step 2 See if the tuners you want to install fit Step 3 If said tuners do not fit very carefully ream out the hole for said tuners. I used a drill and covered the holes with masking tape so I would not damage the finish Step 4 Drill Small pilot hole to secure tuner to headstock Step 5 Play that mother. Seriously I did it on a '57 ES-225TD I had. The vintage original tuners sucked arse and would not stay in tune, and I installed modern ones. Not a big deal. See if you can guess what album some of those are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newfiesig Posted June 21, 2018 Author Share Posted June 21, 2018 Step 1 Take off G Force Step 2 See if the tuners you want to install fit Step 3 If said tuners do not fit very carefully ream out the hole for said tuners. I used a drill and covered the holes with masking tape so I would not damage the finish Step 4 Drill Small pilot hole to secure tuner to headstock Step 5 Play that mother. Seriously I did it on a '57 ES-225TD I had. The vintage original tuners sucked arse and would not stay in tune, and I installed modern ones. Not a big deal Step 3 is where I have the issue. I don't want to ream out the holes. I would rather find a set of tuners that fit into the holes with no modification. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LP Trad Pro II Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 If I can do it anyone can. Remember go slow and use tape. You can even buy manual reamers that will drastic reduce the wood chipping if it all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newfiesig Posted June 21, 2018 Author Share Posted June 21, 2018 If I can do it anyone can. Remember go slow and use tape. You can even buy manual reamers that will drastic reduce the wood chipping if it all. I'm sure I can do it (I recently built a table set out of walnut). It's just that I would rather not remove wood from my guitar if I don't have to. And as long as there are tuners out there that fit the current hole, I don't have to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
merciful-evans Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 Step 1 Take off G Force Step 2 See if the tuners you want to install fit It would be nice not to have to buy them 1st, but I cant see any hole position/centers being listed. See if you can guess what album some of those are. Well, Skull**** stands out a treat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S.Ustain Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 Sorry that I don't know if the G Force holes are big enough for good Grovers or Gibson or Kluson or Schaller vintage lookalikes. That's the question you asked. You can easily find the specs for specific tuner sets on the web, since everyone (who is halfway careful) has the same "does it fit?" question. I'm sorry not to have that info, but you can easily find it. Now, how can I turn your question into a post about me...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LP Trad Pro II Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 It would be nice not to have to buy them 1st, but I cant see any hole position/centers being listed. Well, Skull**** stands out a treat Nice to know some people remember what they wanted to call it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LP Trad Pro II Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 Sorry that I don't know if the G Force holes are big enough for good Grovers or Gibson or Kluson or Schaller vintage lookalikes. That's the question you asked. You can easily find the specs for specific tuner sets on the web, since everyone (who is halfway careful) has the same "does it fit?" question. I'm sorry not to have that info, but you can easily find it. Now, how can I turn your question into a post about me...? How about you start a thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revolution Six Posted June 26, 2018 Share Posted June 26, 2018 KLUSON Revolution, 19:1 ratio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
merciful-evans Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 KLUSON Revolution, 19:1 ratio ? So is this a former G-Force head? ...that you retro-fitted the Klusons on? .......and did you drill holes? ...........or open out any holes? ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newfiesig Posted June 27, 2018 Author Share Posted June 27, 2018 Thanks guys. I've done my homework and have decided to get the Gibson Deluxe tuners. They are a direct fit. Having the tech from my guitar shop install them (for free) to keep the warrenty in tact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revolution Six Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 ? So is this a former G-Force head? ...that you retro-fitted the Klusons on? .......and did you drill holes? ...........or open out any holes? ? Only 12 aligned 1mm diameter holes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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